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Alr I had enough,
Entei is so stupid, or I should say the Fire type Espeed is, why does every team that is not either Rain or some bulky offence with Pecharunt just has to collapse in the face of this dog
There is no “consider the matchup in the builder” with this thing

Ik I’ll just get pushed down with stuff like “Skill Issue” or “Build Better” so i’m not even gonna bother explain anything, just wanted to vent my anger a bit
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Also btw
The excuse that Arcanine was too much bcz it could threaten a much stronger Stab move just goes down the drain bcz Sacred Fire is a ridiculous move that is only slightly weaker
Yeah it can’t use Head Smash so it’s weaker into Rain but Sun is one of the better archetypes against Rain in this format, since pretty much anything else gets bowled over
 
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:sv/gliscor:Gliscor is being suspect tested!:sv/gliscor:​
Clas​
Result​
Gliscor​
Suspect​
Suspect​
Suspect​
Suspect​
4-0-0 Suspect​

Suspect post should be out tomorrow hopefully, but TL;DR we recognised Gliscor, specifically Swords Dance Gliscor, as the most polarising Pokemon that isn't clear-cut currently, since it's way too fast and bulky with so much power all at once, especially with Ground-type Knock Off + Spikes support from a teammate. That being said, we don't really think it's strong enough to go instantly, especially considering its notably bad offense matchup, so we're letting players decide. It'll be linked here if/when the suspect test is formally posted.

As for threats like Entei and other Sun sweepers, we are still keeping an eye on them. The big thing to note between Entei and Hisuian Arcanine, though, is that you can actually use defensive Fire resists to answer Entei, with even Assault Vest Alomomola, a specially defensive pivot, being able to switch in multiple times.
 
I totally agree with this suspect and would vote ban if I could, :Gliscor: is a super mon and it's being just better here with its ridiculous Flying type Facade, who puts insane damage even on defensive sets. I'm having :corviknight: Rocky Helmet + Iron Defense and Flying Body Press in every team I've built just in case there is a Gliscor around. I've even seen some people running Agility to outspeed faster menace such as Walking Wake.


Regarding :Entei: yes it's super strong but I wouldn't say broken either. You need to have good entry hazard control to keep it alive, :araquanid: is super good (ok there is Stone Miss Edge but still), psychic terrain exist and neutralises E-Speed and rain team are strong. I've seen some guy with Flash Fire :Ceruledge: especially for it which was funny (don't do that pls).

Also I've shared with you a Quark Drive spam team but don't use it, it just doesn't work. :pincurchin: is shit and this damn :iron jugulis: remains bad whatsoever. Although :Iron Boulder: with better stabs is honestly good (but you need to keep EQ as a ground move to deal with :Iron Treads:) and I prefer special :Iron Valiant: over physical one, with Throat Spray + Fighting type Hyper Voice (+ Shadow Ball for :Gholdengo:/:slowking-galar:).

Finally guys what's your opinion about weather? I'd personally ban the stones but not the abilities itself.
 
Should Body Press be restricted? There's obviously the brokenness of Zamazenta-Crowned with Roar, but there's also Donbozo, Corviknight, Garganacl, and Skarmory who all get STAB Body Press and can actually become bulky sweepers instead of just acting as regular annoying walls. You could argue "oh just use Taunt or Encore" except most of the good Encore and Taunt Pokemon do not want to switch into a STAB Body Press (Iron Valiant, Ogerpon-Wellspring).

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...46627737-tsiu80i65sr6j5ygc20uy34n60wsm7rpw?p2 (Protect IronPress Corviknight, yes I misplayed Tyranitar and Tornadus-Therian except neither of them would've permanently removed Corviknight)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2441472997?p2 (Imprison Zamazenta-Crowned)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2445652843?p2 (Magnezone)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...45285841-klcjmgymk18n5cxuchqd1grgjt2l1qxpw?p2 (Clas beating me up with Body Slam + Water Body Press Donbozo, which I cannot counter effectively)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2445302190-hfn6obigv1brf4gjkyx7xrseunnx81epw (me beating up Clas)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...43187837-i93xta0mrip6ryubio877smdpc7nulqpw?p2 (Iron Valiant Encores my Corviknight, fails to do anything to Pecharunt)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...39958927-26cwqq4dorxomdshsgbxvncvw4th01upw?p2 (Clas beating me up with hazard stack Flying Body Press Skarmory)
 
InkyDarkBird said:
Should Body Press be restricted? There's obviously the brokenness of Zamazenta-Crowned with Roar, but there's also Donbozo, Corviknight, Garganacl, and Skarmory who all get STAB Body Press and can actually become bulky sweepers instead of just acting as regular annoying walls. You could argue "oh just use Taunt or Encore" except most of the good Encore and Taunt Pokemon do not want to switch into a STAB Body Press (Iron Valiant, Ogerpon-Wellspring).

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...46627737-tsiu80i65sr6j5ygc20uy34n60wsm7rpw?p2 (Protect IronPress Corviknight, yes I misplayed Tyranitar and Tornadus-Therian except neither of them would've permanently removed Corviknight)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2441472997?p2 (Imprison Zamazenta-Crowned)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2445652843?p2 (Magnezone)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...45285841-klcjmgymk18n5cxuchqd1grgjt2l1qxpw?p2 (Clas beating me up with Body Slam + Water Body Press Donbozo, which I cannot counter effectively)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2445302190-hfn6obigv1brf4gjkyx7xrseunnx81epw (me beating up Clas)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...43187837-i93xta0mrip6ryubio877smdpc7nulqpw?p2 (Iron Valiant Encores my Corviknight, fails to do anything to Pecharunt)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...39958927-26cwqq4dorxomdshsgbxvncvw4th01upw?p2 (Clas beating me up with hazard stack Flying Body Press Skarmory)
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I think the issue with Body Press is that it is very good into a very offense-dominated meta. If, say, Alomomola, Moltres, or Zapdos were more relevant in the meta, these defensive pivots have no problem coming in on the Iron Defense/Body Press turn and threatening the IronPressers out with status/momentum with U-turn/Volt-Switch. If you build a team that can handle Zamazenta-Crowned, the strongest Body-Press user, consistently, most of the other Body Press users are easy to deal with by comparison. However, it's hard to make a team with a ton of bulky pivots right now when Gliscor (yes I'm complaining more about Gliscor, sue me) and nuclear weather breakers, like Walking Wake and even Wellspring, are running the meta currently. I think if the aforementioned demon Gliscor, Walking Wake (this thing is stupid on both Rain and Sun), and maybe Wellspring too (she's really braindead oppressive for bulky archetypes as a whole) are banned, there will be more breathing room to slot in bulky pivots that can punish the Body Pressers from setting up.

If we aren't gonna make the metagame less offensive....uhhh I guess just play aggressively or play Bulky Offense? The most common Body Press types are Fighting (some Zama-C, sometimes Great Tusk), Steel (most Zama-C, some Corv/Skarm), Flying (most Corv/Skarm), Rock (Garg), Water (Dozo), and Dark (some Ting-Lu). Most teams have resists to these types, and a non-boosted resisted Body Press is not an astronomically strong attack. I will say Garganacl is exceptionally harder for you, the opponent, to play around because Salt Cure chips your Steels, but it is still riddled with weaknesses and often can't Protect if its running IronPress.
 
Tbh I think wake is more of a problem than gliscor, because
1-Gliscor needs set up (and is easy to play around if you have a resist), whereas Wake only needs a weather mon to switch out into it
2- Gliscor gets nuked by ice moves, but wake has weaknesses to only two types, with one being risky to use against it
3- Hydro Steam in sun (As a water move) can 2HKO a Rotom Mow, a mon that 4x resists it and has pretty good bulk as well (for those wondering why the mow, specs electric leaf storm hits like a truck)
I say these as I have beaten Gliscor teams but just lost to a wake in sun, it felt like wake was tinted lens lmao
 
AintTellingUNothing said:
Tbh I think wake is more of a problem than gliscor, because
1-Gliscor needs set up (and is easy to play around if you have a resist), whereas Wake only needs a weather mon to switch out into it
2- Gliscor gets nuked by ice moves, but wake has weaknesses to only two types, with one being risky to use against it
3- Hydro Steam in sun (As a water move) can 2HKO a Rotom Mow, a mon that 4x resists it and has pretty good bulk as well (for those wondering why the mow, specs electric leaf storm hits like a truck)
I say these as I have beaten Gliscor teams but just lost to a wake in sun, it felt like wake was tinted lens lmao
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Rotom-mow doesn't 4x resist Hydro Steam that is why it is 2HKO'D
 
DragonLordDX said:
Alr I had enough,
Entei is so stupid, or I should say the Fire type Espeed is, why does every team that is not either Rain or some bulky offence with Pecharunt just has to collapse in the face of this dog
There is no “consider the matchup in the builder” with this thing

Ik I’ll just get pushed down with stuff like “Skill Issue” or “Build Better” so i’m not even gonna bother explain anything, just wanted to vent my anger a bit
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Also btw
The excuse that Arcanine was too much bcz it could threaten a much stronger Stab move just goes down the drain bcz Sacred Fire is a ridiculous move that is only slightly weaker
Yeah it can’t use Head Smash so it’s weaker into Rain but Sun is one of the better archetypes against Rain in this format, since pretty much anything else gets bowled over
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Yeah I agree like maybe this is just coz I'm a HO player but Entei has murdered my team too many times
 
AintTellingUNothing said:
Tbh I think wake is more of a problem than gliscor, because
1-Gliscor needs set up (and is easy to play around if you have a resist), whereas Wake only needs a weather mon to switch out into it
2- Gliscor gets nuked by ice moves, but wake has weaknesses to only two types, with one being risky to use against it
3- Hydro Steam in sun (As a water move) can 2HKO a Rotom Mow, a mon that 4x resists it and has pretty good bulk as well (for those wondering why the mow, specs electric leaf storm hits like a truck)
I say these as I have beaten Gliscor teams but just lost to a wake in sun, it felt like wake was tinted lens lmao
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Why not ban them both? Both are problems, kick 'em both out. Walking Wake is arguably more broken in Rain because, with Specs in Rain, it does upwards of 41% to Blissey with Water-type Hurricane, and you only really need to run Water and Dragon attacks because Water/Dragon is good offensive coverage. Once you run the calcs with Walking Wake in Rain with Water Hurricane, your stomach just drops.
 
Hey, you! Yeah, you. Do you like :Scizor:? Would you like another one? Too bad, you get one anyways! Introducing...

:Fezandipiti: ← This Goofy Bird

Fezandipiti @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Atk / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dual Wingbeat
- Quick Attack
- Double Kick / Play Rough / Whatever
- U-turn

That's right. Fairy Scizor. Funnily enough, you can slap the two on a team together for some strong priority + vortex shenanigans.
You can run more speed if you want but its natural base is already good enough for the fatter things and I like its bulk.
You may also try Swords Dance if you want to clean with it but setting up with it is very situational.
I think this mon is funny.
That is all. Thank you.
 
OceanVista said:
Gliscor is absolutely absurd in this metagame. I used a SD, Sub, Protect set with flying type facade. This pokemon is too bulky while not being slow. Especially with the thermonuclear bomb of a move that facade is. It's probably too late in the month to do much, but next time Revelationmons OMotM a suspect should be started immediately.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9revelationmons-2452681292
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A suspect for Gliscor just ended, though voting hasn't started yet for some reason. Even though it ended like 2 days ago...
 
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