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Pokémon Movepool Oddities & Explanations

MC Squared said:
Crabominable losing Stone Edge though is wack
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I actually had to pull my game out to double check this since bulbapedia had conflicting information (saying it learned it on the Stone Edge page, but not on its actual page) and yeah turns out it doesn't anymore.

Weird! Guess it's another for the pile of SV move oddities.
And also someone with a bulbapedia account should proabbly fix that.



Related to this but while glancing at the list again I saw that while SV gave Stone Edge to a lot of stage 1 pokemon whose evolution learned the move, Chespin went the opposite. Something tells me that was another oopsie. Almost like they flipped a bit assuming it didn't have it.
 
R_N said:
I actually had to pull my game out to double check this since bulbapedia had conflicting information (saying it learned it on the Stone Edge page, but not on its actual page) and yeah turns out it doesn't anymore.

Weird! Guess it's another for the pile of SV move oddities.
And also someone with a bulbapedia account should proabbly fix that.
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It knew the move only in Gen 7 but lost it in Gen 9
 
At least with the Tapus, I can buy it since half of them shut down Rest with their terrains. Granted, I think Rest is also learned by Pokemon that just can't be put to sleep already, so uh... not sure how that squares up.
 
Mad Ram said:
At least with the Tapus, I can buy it since half of them shut down Rest with their terrains. Granted, I think Rest is also learned by Pokemon that just can't be put to sleep already, so uh... not sure how that squares up.
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Komala can't learn Rest. Not being able to learn a move that wouldn't work makes complete sense even though not learning Rest is a massive flavor fail. Vigoroth, however, can learn Rest and its only Ability is Vital Spirit. It evolves from Slakoth and into Slaking, so learning Rest is another thing that makes complete sense even though it's another massive flavor fail. :P

An oddity caused by Rest being a universal TM ever since Gen 1 and Abilities being introduced in Gen 3 is that Drowzee, Hypno, Vigoroth, Mankey, and Primeape, can all learn Rest in Gen 3 even though their only Ability at the time was either Insomnia or Vital Spirit. Drowzee and Hypno can at least learn Skill Swap and I already talked about Vigoroth, but Mankey and Primeape just couldn't use it until Anger Point was introduced in Gen 4.
 
CTNC said:
Komala can't learn Rest. Not being able to learn a move that wouldn't work makes complete sense even though not learning Rest is a massive flavor fail. Vigoroth, however, can learn Rest and its only Ability is Vital Spirit. It evolves from Slakoth and into Slaking, so learning Rest is another thing that makes complete sense even though it's another massive flavor fail. :P

An oddity caused by Rest being a universal TM ever since Gen 1 and Abilities being introduced in Gen 3 is that Drowzee, Hypno, Vigoroth, Mankey, and Primeape, can all learn Rest in Gen 3 even though their only Ability at the time was either Insomnia or Vital Spirit. Drowzee and Hypno can at least learn Skill Swap and I already talked about Vigoroth, but Mankey and Primeape just couldn't use it until Anger Point was introduced in Gen 4.
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Not learning rest makes complete sense for Komala, how could it take a nap if it is always sleeping.
 
CynicalGiant said:
it was in gen 8 and got a fully revamped learnset which did not include power gem, so I don't think we can expect them to change it in Gen 9. Aurorus is apparently going to be in Legends ZA so maybe we'll find out in like a week lol
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A lot of Pokémon in Gen 8 got moves in Gen 9 that they could've gotten in Gen 8
 
CynicalGiant said:
it was in gen 8 and got a fully revamped learnset which did not include power gem, so I don't think we can expect them to change it in Gen 9. Aurorus is apparently going to be in Legends ZA so maybe we'll find out in like a week lol
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While that was true, there was a sizable increase in Power Gem TM compatibility in Gen 9 for Pokémon that couldn't learn it in Gen 8. Many of them were Rock-types such as Tyranitar, Regirock, and Coalossal, but there were also several others of various types including Psychic, Ground, and Steel. Of note are Golduck and Espeon, two Pokémon with what could be considered a gem on their forehead and are now able to learn Power Gem despite being unable to do so in Gen 8.

Clearly there has been a redefining of what makes a Pokémon eligible to learn Power Gem in Gen 9, and given that Aurorus is a Rock-type and has some sort of gem on its forehead, I agree with MC Squared that Aurorus would have been compatible with Power Gem had it appeared in SV.
 
reaverz said:
While that was true, there was a sizable increase in Power Gem TM compatibility in Gen 9 for Pokémon that couldn't learn it in Gen 8. Many of them were Rock-types such as Tyranitar, Regirock, and Coalossal,
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Regirock is whatever but Tyranitar and Coalossal also not getting it before is so odd as they have an actual special attack stat.

Did Game Freak forget that the physical special split was 5 gens ago and that they made a special rock move in Gen 4.

Granted Power Gem isn't a great move as its weaker than most other special attack moves and it doesnt have a chance of a secondary effect but it is a rock move that has 100 accuracy so that's nice.
 
They didn't "forget", it's intentional.

By now it was clear they purposely keep the distribution of certain moves. Maybe balance, maybe flavour, maybe whatever who's making the moveset thinks makes sense, but they don't usually forget to give a pokemon a move and when they don't it's usually a deliberate choice.
 
Worldie said:
They didn't "forget", it's intentional.

By now it was clear they purposely keep the distribution of certain moves. Maybe balance, maybe flavour, maybe whatever who's making the moveset thinks makes sense, but they don't usually forget to give a pokemon a move and when they don't it's usually a deliberate choice.
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Usually you can kind of figure out the reasoning. Like yeah ok, Tapu Bulu & Koko don't get PLay Rough despite being physical fairy types probably because they did not want the physical highly used ones to get full access to their kit; still seems a bit odd to throw balance at THAT of all things, but we also have Home snapshots where they almost gave it to them and then backed out so we can pretty certain about the reasoning. Komala is literally treated as always being asleep, it physically cannot get status conditions, so alright easy to see why Rest missed the boat. I can also squint and see the vision on Magearna never resting, flavor wise.

Aurorus is a slow mediocre pokemon with sub 100 base special attack & the worst defensive typing in the game that actually did get quite a few distinct special attacking options. You already gave it bolt beam I think you can let it use its other stab.
Flavor wise it's a gem-encrusted dinosaur

As far as deliberate decisions go this one is just baffling to figure out. The move feels tailor made for it.



Similarly I find Dedenne only having Play Rough as Fairy stab (at all; its only other fairy move was Charm!) befuddling. It wasn't until Gen 8 where it got Dazzling Gleam and Gen 9 to get Draining Kiss. It was not a good Pokemon! It's a special attacker! Both of those moves made perfect sense for its personality and typing! Why did it have to wait 2 and 3 generations respectively. Draining Kiss in particular should have just been in the level up learnset.
 
Worldie said:
They didn't "forget", it's intentional.
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I said forget because I try to give the benefit of the doubt given there's over a thousand pokemon, but if I assumed every single thing in the games was intentional then it would be a lot harder to not think they are out of their minds.
R_N said:
Aurorus is a slow mediocre pokemon with sub 100 base special attack & the worst defensive typing in the game that actually did get quite a few distinct special attacking options. You already gave it bolt beam I think you can let it use its other stab.
Flavor wise it's a gem-encrusted dinosaur

As far as deliberate decisions go this one is just baffling to figure out. The move feels tailor made for it.
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Game Freak in their infinite wisdom tested the gem dinosaur with a stab option that was 20 bp higher and decided it was much too powerful, the world could not be trusted with such a powerful force. They did us all a favor really.
 
Ironmage said:
Wait, aren't the growths on Aurorus supposed to be ice rather than gems? Considering there aren't any other Ice-types that get Power gem, it seems reasonable for Aurorus to not get it from that angle.
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we don't know if those crystals are actually made of ice or not only that they are diamond shaped and cold unless the japanese text is more explicit.
 
Ironmage said:
Wait, aren't the growths on Aurorus supposed to be ice rather than gems? Considering there aren't any other Ice-types that get Power gem, it seems reasonable for Aurorus to not get it from that angle.
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Tbf, Power Gem has played unexpectedly fast and loose at times. Klink of all things gets Power Gem of all things. Klink (And later Gholdengo)
Combined with someone on the dev team realizing that they really should give Power Gem to more mons and Ice Crystals should be more then enough of a reason to give it to Aurorus
 
Castersvarog said:
Tbf, Power Gem has played unexpectedly fast and loose at times. Klink of all things gets Power Gem of all things. Klink (And later Gholdengo)
Combined with someone on the dev team realizing that they really should give Power Gem to more mons and Ice Crystals should be more then enough of a reason to give it to Aurorus
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The Klink line only got in SwSh which Aurorus was in, so clearly under the Gen 8 requirements the Klink line's cores are considersd more gem-like than ice crystals.
 
Venusaur can't learn the move Wrap.

Wrap (BW-ORAS entry): A long body or vines are used to wrap and squeeze the target for four to five turns.

Venusaur has vines and can naturally learn the move Vine Whip, so why can't it learn Wrap? Especially since other grass mons like Victreebel and Serperior can learn the move Wrap naturally.

Plus, its vines are definitely able to wrap around large mons like Blue's Charizard (Pokemon Adventures Manga) or Corey's Venusaur.
 
Krockodile said:
Venusaur can't learn the move Wrap.

Wrap (BW-ORAS entry): A long body or vines are used to wrap and squeeze the target for four to five turns.

Venusaur has vines and can naturally learn the move Vine Whip, so why can't it learn Wrap? Especially since other grass mons like Victreebel and Serperior can learn the move Wrap naturally.

Plus, its vines are definitely able to wrap around large mons like Blue's Charizard (Pokemon Adventures Manga) or Corey's Venusaur.
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Wrap is not a tutor move like Bind has been, it's only learned via level up and usually early since it's bad. They weren't gonna make Bulbasaur worse in later gens, and it starting with Wrap in gen 1 would have been incredibly annoying to fight if you picked Charmander and painfully useless if you picked it.

Venusaur can learn Bind so would likely learn Wrap if it ever showed up as tutor or TM move.
 
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