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Rey™

Hello
I was bored .. so me post ..! :3

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Naito the Gardevoir
@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Hypnosis
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice] [Focus Blast? Grass Knot?]

Trace = Butt saver
Tracing Intimidate, Levitate, Volt Absorb & all these useful effects is very helpful, fudge Gyarados ..!
Credit goes to Lou Cypher :3

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Shinto the Jirachi
@ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 142 HP / 52 Atk / Def 96 / 136 Spd
- Wish
- U-Turn
- Zen Headbutt
- Body Slam [Thunderpunch?]

Changed it from a Sweeper to a Supporter .. Suits it more .. Supports with Wish, cripples the fue with Body Slam & Flinches ..! :3
need help with the EVs ..

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ReYu the Salamence
@ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 Atk / 252 SAtk / 136 Spd
- Brick Break
- Flamethrower
- Crunch [Dragon Claw?]
- Hidden Power [Grass]

My version of MixMence .. only purpose is to kill Walls .. Brick Break for Blissey, Flamethrower for Skarmory & other Steel walls, Crunch for Ghosts like Dusknoir, HP Grass for Swampert & maybe on other Bulky Waters .. sadly it doesn't have any STAB moves ..

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Gyakkyo the Gyarados
@ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 74 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

Standard DDdos .. People would usually expect Taunt so I left it out .. I like to use it early just to know what kind of threats are ahead .. plus I hate Heracross

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Masto the Donphan
@ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Roar [Stealth Rock? Knock Off?]

Since I had hard times with Hippowdon on my team, thought I'd try Donphan .. it's pretty much the same but without Sandsteam, better states & it has more options .. works pretty good ..

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Cresent the Cresselia
@ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 46 SDef
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Charge Beam [Psychic? HP Ground?]
- Ice Beam

Cresselia has won me A LOT of battles with just Ice Beam .. now that I removed Reflect for Charge Beam, I might have problems with Physical attacks but it will sweep a lot more .. besides that, it's still a great wall ..

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Give me your opinion & any advice you could give me .. I really could use the help ..​
 
well um you may want to mention what your starting pokemon is
as for infernape nice move set but i belive focus sash does a better job in allowing you to pull off nasty plot and you may want to consider a lum berry on cresselia so that u can bounce status inducers or save time with rest you might have a little trouble fending off azelf but the team looks fine
 
Choice Band Tyranitar hits this team hard in every aspect. Not much on your team can withstand a Crunch. I definately think you need to add a slot for something like Swampert/Donphan/(maybe Hippowdon if you think it's viable) to cover that. Rest looks ok.
 
Well, Infernape resists bug, but that's about it.


I really don't see why you have Jirachi in here. It shares all the same weaknesses as Metagross, and it doesn't even have wish. I'm very tired of people just slapping Jirachi and Celebi into any old team without even considering their roles.


Jirachi is a support pokemon. It can Wish-> U-Turn, set up screens, paralyze opponents, and set up rocks. If you want a Calm Minder, get something like Riakou or Suicine, Jirachi has better things to do. It's even dumber that you would even consider leaving it in on Earthquakes considering it completely lacks recovery. You'll never sweep with that unless all their physical hitters are dead.

While I'm here, I'll point something out about Celebi; Grass Knot, Leech Seed, Recover and Stealth Rock IS NOT A GOOD SET. Celebi shouldn't be using Leech Seed and Grass Knot on the same set, nor should it be using Stealth Rock. Celebi is supposed to sub seed, wall, counter Gyarados and baton pass. Please people, quit making stupid Celebi sets that do nothing except stay alive by constantly recovering.


Bronzong walls your Agiligross terribly, so don't even try to use it unless their Bronzong is dead. Get rid of it first. Meteor Mash isn't gonna dent Bronzong at all, and it can EQ for the 2HKO or just set up stuff in your face.

About Cressilia... yeah, something with unSTABed Ice Beam is really going to sweep my team. +6 Ice Beam doesn't do anything unless they are weak to it, and anything with Pressure (aka, Suicine or spiritomb with Taunt) is gonna ruin that set. I also don't see how it's "countering" Infernape either, with nothing but Ice Beam to poke at it. Very poor set, and it's dead weight IMO unless you change it. Get Psychic for STAB and killing Infernape, or Charge Beam over Calm Mind to get Gyarados and water types.

Gardevoir, another support pokemon that has been severely mutilated into a scarfer. Gardevoir is supposed to Wish pass or double status stuff, or, since you seem to like Calm Minders, try the Will O Wisp Calm Mind set. Once all their physical attackers are burned or dead, you can finish off a team.

Why doesn't Slowbro have any STAB... Flamethrower doesn't cover anything except for maybe Bronzong better, because only other Water types resist the Water/Ice combo, and HP Electric solves that. Basically, without Surf, Swampert totally walls this. So does Tyranitar ironically.



Sorry if I come off as harsh, it's just that their is a lot of wasted potential here. Not every pokemon has to go off and "attempt" a sweep, they all have their roles. Turn Jirachi or Gardevoir into a Wish Passer. Slap SR on someone. Replace Metagross or Jirachi with something that can counter Tyranitar and Heracross... like maybe Hippowdon.
 
If you use U-turn>Rocks on the Celebi set it is one of the best stes you can use imo. Just u-turn to a counter when they switch out thanks to leech seed. Some spikes will help dealing passive damage.
The rest is true, i am too lazy to read everything lol
 
skiddle said:
Well, Infernape resists bug, but that's about it.
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skiddle said:
I really don't see why you have Jirachi in here. It shares all the same weaknesses as Metagross, and it doesn't even have wish. I'm very tired of people just slapping Jirachi and Celebi into any old team without even considering their roles.

Yer, sorry .. I didn't put much thought to it when I put in Metagross .. ^-^;

Jirachi is a support pokemon. It can Wish-> U-Turn, set up screens, paralyze opponents, and set up rocks. If you want a Calm Minder, get something like Riakou or Suicine, Jirachi has better things to do. It's even dumber that you would even consider leaving it in on Earthquakes considering it completely lacks recovery. You'll never sweep with that unless all their physical hitters are dead.

So would Body Slam/Wish/Zen Headbutt/U-Turn work ..? :3

While I'm here, I'll point something out about Celebi; Grass Knot, Leech Seed, Recover and Stealth Rock IS NOT A GOOD SET. Celebi shouldn't be using Leech Seed and Grass Knot on the same set, nor should it be using Stealth Rock. Celebi is supposed to sub seed, wall, counter Gyarados and baton pass. Please people, quit making stupid Celebi sets that do nothing except stay alive by constantly recovering.


Okay. :3

Bronzong walls your Agiligross terribly, so don't even try to use it unless their Bronzong is dead. Get rid of it first. Meteor Mash isn't gonna dent Bronzong at all, and it can EQ for the 2HKO or just set up stuff in your face.

That's why I'm trying out Dragonite & Weavile out instead of it because I've been having problems .. while I'm talking about them, does the movesets
Dragon Dance/Outrage/Fire Punch/Earthquake
Aerial Ace/Ice Shard/Pursuit/Brick Break
have any problems against certain pokes ..?

About Cressilia... yeah, something with unSTABed Ice Beam is really going to sweep my team. +6 Ice Beam doesn't do anything unless they are weak to it, and anything with Pressure (aka, Suicine or spiritomb with Taunt) is gonna ruin that set. I also don't see how it's "countering" Infernape either, with nothing but Ice Beam to poke at it. Very poor set, and it's dead weight IMO unless you change it. Get Psychic for STAB and killing Infernape, or Charge Beam over Calm Mind to get Gyarados and water types.

The reason why I'm using Ice Beam, it's because Darkies wall me all night if I use Psychic .. though Charge Beam sounds nice, thank you :3

Gardevoir, another support pokemon that has been severely mutilated into a scarfer. Gardevoir is supposed to Wish pass or double status stuff, or, since you seem to like Calm Minders, try the Will O Wisp Calm Mind set. Once all their physical attackers are burned or dead, you can finish off a team.

But it works leik magic ..!!! =D

Why doesn't Slowbro have any STAB... Flamethrower doesn't cover anything except for maybe Bronzong better, because only other Water types resist the Water/Ice combo, and HP Electric solves that. Basically, without Surf, Swampert totally walls this. So does Tyranitar ironically.

Oh didn't think about that ^^;

Sorry if I come off as harsh, it's just that their is a lot of wasted potential here. Not every pokemon has to go off and "attempt" a sweep, they all have their roles. Turn Jirachi or Gardevoir into a Wish Passer. Slap SR on someone. Replace Metagross or Jirachi with something that can counter Tyranitar and Heracross... like maybe Hippowdon.

Appreciate the long help ^^
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Why aren't you addressing the Heracross comment? Nothing switches in safely against Megahorn. (please don't think Infernape can, just don't)
 
I will I will !!! I just didn't figure out a poke that could counter it while countering other threats ..

any suggestions ..?

btw, I currently don't have shoddy ..
 
Uh kinda scrimmed through everyone's responses, didn't care for them. This page is really stretched, semi-annoying, but nonetheless!

Okay so looking at what you got, let's say we're going to only keep half the Pokes. Keep the Jirachi set you got, you can keep Cresselia and Dragonite the way they are too. Okay, as already established, Heracross is going to annoy the shit out of you, so why not add a Gyarados in there? It could also beat the "skarmbliss" that you hate so much. Wish support running about, and SR is nothing to it. So with Gyarados/Cresselia/Dragonite/Jirachi there, we're going to find some Tyranitar problems. Let's add that Hippowdon you wanted. You can also slap Stealth Rock on there and let Jirachi have another slot. After everything's said and done, it seems like it's a pretty solid team should you choose to go that way.

Best part is, that's only 5 Pokes!!! So now you getta waste a random spot on something that could either help you, or just to fuck around with people. Although I wouldn't mind a regular Gengar just in there. A good quick revenge killer etc etc boring you know the drill.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Uh kinda scrimmed through everyone's responses, didn't care for them. This page is really stretched, semi-annoying, but nonetheless!

Okay so looking at what you got, let's say we're going to only keep half the Pokes. Keep the Jirachi set you got, you can keep Cresselia and Dragonite the way they are too. Okay, as already established, Heracross is going to annoy the shit out of you, so why not add a Gyarados in there? It could also beat the "skarmbliss" that you hate so much. Wish support running about, and SR is nothing to it. So with Gyarados/Cresselia/Dragonite/Jirachi there, we're going to find some Tyranitar problems. Let's add that Hippowdon you wanted. You can also slap Stealth Rock on there and let Jirachi have another slot. After everything's said and done, it seems like it's a pretty solid team should you choose to go that way.

Best part is, that's only 5 Pokes!!! So now you getta waste a random spot on something that could either help you, or just to fuck around with people. Although I wouldn't mind a regular Gengar just in there. A good quick revenge killer etc etc boring you know the drill.
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Thank you very much ..! I'll try them out now & see ..!
 
slowbro, cress and gardevoir all on the same team is NOT a good idea. 3 bug weaks, 3 ghost weaks, 3 dark weaks. throw one of them out for a steel that doesn't have psychic as the other type. skarm comes to mind.
 
NO SKARMY!!!!! NO BLISSEY!!!!!

I'm currently testing Aeroblacktyl's suggestions, so I'll wait & see how it turns out before editing the post ..
 
Is this a Shoddy Battle Team or WiFi? Because i see that Scarf Gar might give you a problem because I almost Possitive that Scarf Gar Shadow Ball will OHKO Gardevoir on first turn Probably the only pokemon on ur team that might survive 2 hits from Shadow Ball is Cresselia but without Sleep Talk or Psychic it cant kill it before it dies. Gar Also Kills Slowbro. Jirachi might be your only hope of killing it. Some of the Stuff that I Said might not be 100% accurate but once Jirachi goes down Scarf Gar will give you some trouble. If you don't make the suggested moves of Aeroblacktyl
 
- Infernape
+ Gyarados

- Slowbro
+ Hippowdon

- Reflect on Cresselia
+ Charge Beam on Cresselia

How does it look now ..?
 
Looks as balanced as it's going to get without changing Gardevoir. But then again, the only reason why you'd probably want to is cause of Raikou, but luckily those aren't too common.
 
I've been having some problems with major walls, so I replaced DDnite with MixMence .. & been having problems with Hippowdon's Sandstream, so I relpaced it with Donphan ..

& I'm been having problems with Dark/Ghost attacks against Gardevoir & Cresselia .. Any suggestions ..?
 
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