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Is it true that protean and libero activate before the Pokemon uses a move, but they don't activate if the move is going to fail? They look like they're currently implemented this way on Showdown and I just wanted to make sure this is correct.
 
sumwun said:
Is it true that protean and libero activate before the Pokemon uses a move, but they don't activate if the move is going to fail? They look like they're currently implemented this way on Showdown and I just wanted to make sure this is correct.
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It depends. Misses and immunities are handled after Protean. It's all about event timing. There isn't any part of the code like "if it's going to fail in the future, don't activate Protean".
 
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Is there a list of things that get checked before a move is executed? Or do those abilities just not activate whenever the game says "But it failed!"?
 
If a move can activate both the target's ability and item, which one activates first? I think most of the damage multipliers are already documented, but I don't know as much about things like safety goggles and overcoat, focus band, focus sash, and sturdy, or covert cloak and shield dust.
 
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Could someone please confirm this? It it very weird if this hasn't been implemented: when Defog is used against a Pokémon behind a Substitute, it fails and doesn't clear any field effects.
I tested this in Gens 7 and 8 by using Defog against my other Pokémon.

Defog clears Hazards on the target's side of the field, not necessarily on the opponent's side. Everything is good, sorry guys ;-;
 
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Hello I am trying to figure out if this interaction that occured is correct with cart logic since I dont have SV and cant test it:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9natdexdraft-2591922741 (Turn 21)
Druddigon Dragon Tails in Trick Room switching in a Malamar with Room Service, which gives -1 Speed instead of +1 which it should give due to Contrary.
Is it intended that the Pokemon thats switching in also gets affected by Mold Breaker?
This probably came up before with Spikes and Levitate? Id appreciate any info on this, especially on cart.
Thanks and I hope i understood this forum correctly and didnt post on the wrong one.
 
pinkes said:
Hello I am trying to figure out if this interaction that occured is correct with cart logic since I dont have SV and cant test it:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9natdexdraft-2591922741 (Turn 21)
Druddigon Dragon Tails in Trick Room switching in a Malamar with Room Service, which gives -1 Speed instead of +1 which it should give due to Contrary.
Is it intended that the Pokemon thats switching in also gets affected by Mold Breaker?
This probably came up before with Spikes and Levitate? Id appreciate any info on this, especially on cart.
Thanks and I hope i understood this forum correctly and didnt post on the wrong one.
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Bulbapedia says : "If a Pokémon with Mold Breaker forces a Pokémon to switch in by using a move that switches the target out (such as Roar or Dragon Tail), ignorable Abilities are ignored when applying entry hazards. For example, a Pokémon with Levitate switched in this way will be affected by Spikes and Toxic Spikes (unless it is also ungrounded for other reasons); if a Poison-type Pokémon with Levitate is switched in this way, it will remove Toxic Spikes from its side of the field (unless it is also ungrounded for other reasons)."
So basicall yes, it should be the intended behaviour, i don't know if it has been tested on cart for the one you're refering to, but it should work like the other interactions.
 
Platum said:
Bulbapedia says : "If a Pokémon with Mold Breaker forces a Pokémon to switch in by using a move that switches the target out (such as Roar or Dragon Tail), ignorable Abilities are ignored when applying entry hazards. For example, a Pokémon with Levitate switched in this way will be affected by Spikes and Toxic Spikes (unless it is also ungrounded for other reasons); if a Poison-type Pokémon with Levitate is switched in this way, it will remove Toxic Spikes from its side of the field (unless it is also ungrounded for other reasons)."
So basicall yes, it should be the intended behaviour, i don't know if it has been tested on cart for the one you're refering to, but it should work like the other interactions.
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Alright, thanks a lot for the quick reply!
 
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