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when we getting rmoon sus test gng
when we getting rmoon sus test gng
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
- Thread starter TPP
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After volcs test I’d be surprised if anyone even considered moon a possibility at this point.
Moon is arguably way more well rounded (lot of better matchups) and players already voted they want nothing extra to deal with.
Moon is arguably way more well rounded (lot of better matchups) and players already voted they want nothing extra to deal with.
If volc isn’t getting any support for a unban then there is no chance roaring moon is getting one aswell
I Hope that few more bans will follow soon. The metagame has improved, but it still has some problems that absolutely need to be addressed. (Like Zama, Gambit, etc)
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"Let's ban a bunch of top VR/usage mons" is going to need a lot of justification this late into the tier, especially when none of them are individually problematic.
"I don't like the high power level and wish [UUBL or lower mon] was OU" is not a sufficient case for bans.
"I don't like the high power level and wish [UUBL or lower mon] was OU" is not a sufficient case for bans.
why zama and gambit? you could make a case for kyu or wogre but i think zama and gambit have been around long enough and there's a lot of counterplay for them
Where did I mention that in my comment? I Simply think that the Gen 9 OU Meta still has his Problems that need to be Addressed before we can Start to Talk about Unbans.
Edit: And to RandoPokeLover's Comment: Yeah, Kyurem and WOger where Better Examples than Zama and Gambit, it's My Mistake.
i think you just needed to clarify your reasoning a bit better, just stating that you want zamazenta and kingambit banned which are probably the two most splashable and top tier pokemon needs a bit of evaluation.
Nothing currently planned. Probably going to wait out a bit more time since the two tests + WCop main event ongoing.
Tyranibros it's joever
That means if Tyranitar drops to UU, we can have the hippo back in RU lol
holy i pray, i remember back at the start of the year when hippo left and rain started appearing EVERYWHERE (it was me.)
I have accepted that Ttar's legacy is forever tainted
On the bright side, Tyranitar being with his best frenemy Latios only makes sense. SV UU is at a power level that would be expected from OU at any other gen.
Hi everyone, I apologize for not being as active lately; I finally graduated and got my Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in music production, top of the class with top honors! So I'm going to try to be more active and play more often now that I'm no longer in school; here are a couple of sets that I've been tooling around OU with as of late!
:sandy shocks:
Sandy Shocks @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock / Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Power Gem / Spikes / Stealth Rock
Underrated special attacker with a phenomenal STAB combination that nails well over half of OU for super effective damage with just Earth Power and Thunderbolt, while STAB Volt Switch allows you to keep momentum going. The last slot is up to your personal preference. I personally like having Power Gem with Tera Rock to nail Dragonite, Kyurem, and Zapdos as well. If you'd rather have a hazard-setting option, then I'd recommend running Tera Fairy instead to have the ability to resist Kingambit's Sucker Punch. The role compression Sandy Shocks provides is unmatched, even with its comparatively limited movepool.
Munkidori is another underrated special attacker with arguably more role compression than Sandy Shocks. STAB Psychic Noise allows you to shut down relevant stall cores and can pressure your opponent in ways that they likely might not be prepared for. Psychic Noise additionally pairs phenomenally with Parting Shot to swap out of predicted switches post-Psychic Noise. It actually partners quite well with Sandy Shocks for this purchase, so you have PartingSwitch momentum on your team. Tera Fighting Focus Blast allows you to smack Kingambit and other potential threats that think they can pop in on a predicted Parting Shot. Last slot is personal preference, I like STAB Sludge Wave the most for the ability to smack Fairy-types and Ogerpon, but Grass Knot is another viable option. STAB Clear Smog is another option that helps shut down common cores as well.
:sandy shocks:
Sandy Shocks @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock / Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Power Gem / Spikes / Stealth Rock
Underrated special attacker with a phenomenal STAB combination that nails well over half of OU for super effective damage with just Earth Power and Thunderbolt, while STAB Volt Switch allows you to keep momentum going. The last slot is up to your personal preference. I personally like having Power Gem with Tera Rock to nail Dragonite, Kyurem, and Zapdos as well. If you'd rather have a hazard-setting option, then I'd recommend running Tera Fairy instead to have the ability to resist Kingambit's Sucker Punch. The role compression Sandy Shocks provides is unmatched, even with its comparatively limited movepool.
:munkidori:
Munkidori @ Black Sludge
Ability: Toxic Chain
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic Noise
- Parting Shot
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave / Grass Knot / Clear Smog
Munkidori @ Black Sludge
Ability: Toxic Chain
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic Noise
- Parting Shot
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave / Grass Knot / Clear Smog
Munkidori is another underrated special attacker with arguably more role compression than Sandy Shocks. STAB Psychic Noise allows you to shut down relevant stall cores and can pressure your opponent in ways that they likely might not be prepared for. Psychic Noise additionally pairs phenomenally with Parting Shot to swap out of predicted switches post-Psychic Noise. It actually partners quite well with Sandy Shocks for this purchase, so you have PartingSwitch momentum on your team. Tera Fighting Focus Blast allows you to smack Kingambit and other potential threats that think they can pop in on a predicted Parting Shot. Last slot is personal preference, I like STAB Sludge Wave the most for the ability to smack Fairy-types and Ogerpon, but Grass Knot is another viable option. STAB Clear Smog is another option that helps shut down common cores as well.
Congratulations on graduating dude
I find both annoying and good the fact that Munkidori needs to use Focus Blast specifically as Fight coverage. Annoying because it misses a lot, even physical moves seem more attractive, but it doesn,t learn moves that you would think it should have: no Brick Break, no Low Sweep, no Focus Punch, nothing, just Focus Blast. Almost tempted to use use Mud Slap + Tera Ground to hit Steels instead of that stupid move, at least with it the chance to miss goes to the opponent instead.
And still find it good, because thats how legendaries should be designed. During the first few gens, most legendaries had huge stats but those were compensated by poor movepool and lack of a game breaking ability. Nowadays they tend to have everything at the same time (see Waterpon for example) and I am glad Munkidori has been an exception to this. It still has a great movepool, but there is a big risk involved in using it in OU, the name is Focus Blast.
And still find it good, because thats how legendaries should be designed. During the first few gens, most legendaries had huge stats but those were compensated by poor movepool and lack of a game breaking ability. Nowadays they tend to have everything at the same time (see Waterpon for example) and I am glad Munkidori has been an exception to this. It still has a great movepool, but there is a big risk involved in using it in OU, the name is Focus Blast.
People who are too afraid of missing Focus Blast to use it are weak and will not survive the winter, nor will be tolerated under my regime.
Then its good you don,t get to have a regime. Anyways, I will continue using the much more reliable Hurricane Zapdos.
After about a year long hiatus I fired up the ladder. Started back up in the 1500s. After seeing all the weird Teras, and the same Zama, Dragonite, Kingambit, Ogerpon-W on every team, I was quickly reminded why I stopped playing. Yikes.
I guess Substitute could be used in case if you really hate Focus Blast.
Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power
this guy is funny to use honestly. Initially this guy was a knock :walking-wake: but it just kinda was mid so i tried to figure out another dragon. this guy turned out to be good enough. havent actually messed with :hydreigon: since like post :roaring-moon: ban, and even then it was np tb fairy. specs felt really nice to muscle through stuff. i tried smth similar which was specs :darkrai: but this guy felt a lot better. its pretty bulky even without investment. also this guy lowkey haxxes with dpulse flinches its really disgusting. tera steel for :kyurem: checking and flash cannon popping
Zamazenta @ Choice Band
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Heavy Slam
- Stone Edge
been trying to make cb :zamazenta: work for me and its only now that it works out. frankly idbp is prob better but we're going for the jugular. since we have a scarf :landorus-therian: i could justify ada tera fight here. its really nice here with how much dmg output this guy can do. plus thanks to adding :hydreigon: here, :kingambit: is way less of a endgame threat here so you can let :zamazenta: brawl here. tera fight cc 2hkos :dondozo: which is pretty disgusting. didnt pick ice fang here since :hydreigon: shreds through :landorus-therian: and :gliscor: pretty well.
Gholdengo @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 152 SpA / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Make It Rain
- Recover
so i wanted to use a non balloon np :gholdengo: here. i already used metal coat and felt that i could def be more creative. cloak seemed like a nice fit here. beats down :garganacl: and :pecharunt: . going bulky here really saved my ass a lot of times vs stuff like :zamazenta: and :enamorus: tera water is nice vs smth like :walking-wake: and just solid neutral type. speed is for :gliscor: and the rest in a spa stat bump and max hp
https://pokepast.es/35905d9abf3a3157
this team got top 45 iirc. heres some replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633190546-ovrf1najn3iogo5skc98wm7rhnxn1iipw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633176280-lyjsgd87wtoqayhi2xy6g1ubl1cbp4upw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633133287-2k1ixlr01uhmllji77ef22qjhkd0dvppw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633130073-nhluaqeowko3fwurc3wbkiij86eq0kwpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633126048-7toouswc4ko1kipko4ugrs1rl9rfd3dpw
oh and id also like to add some special honorable teams. they got around top 60-70 ish and i just figured they should have some fun
https://pokepast.es/d57994f63147248c
a triple av team with double removal. pretty self explanatory. went with cm hatt though since i find pain split to be really prepped for, so a nice sweeper that can block most hazard setters would help here. heres some replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2625405013-xp5fqi6v9ugfthtsqqx5l2hl5nwral6pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2625416695-0eagdu2x1h2tf4rimtxax80c0wwrxbxpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2626252770-mwpdl0hkwkepjehbrs1qv9uhqr07kdnpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2626254123-2eke9ske7cf0nvn9c5ta3xx7cavlragpw
https://pokepast.es/fd759a752d3b7d5c
this team is a little special for me. double removal with bulky red card rai. Marnie suggested that i go red card and i figured itd be nice. turns out it is. team is pretty solid just really hates tspikes. heres more replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628087624-h8gl05o4c8v82ld4blob61q4ji3pq5wpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628086866-ooqgwqy8ubhmhyj0uduwkbxhrhxc8ytpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628182550-6vy4ep4s9h48440d57bncek5oj7qgnopw
also a heres the wake team that made henrysalt crashout. i lowkey haxxed and highkey got gate kept by him with previous teams but it was funny
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633064418-p183nebmeemjcmq75ow9l7ak5xr4eh2pw
aight have fun everyone
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Extremely tough
Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power
this guy is funny to use honestly. Initially this guy was a knock :walking-wake: but it just kinda was mid so i tried to figure out another dragon. this guy turned out to be good enough. havent actually messed with :hydreigon: since like post :roaring-moon: ban, and even then it was np tb fairy. specs felt really nice to muscle through stuff. i tried smth similar which was specs :darkrai: but this guy felt a lot better. its pretty bulky even without investment. also this guy lowkey haxxes with dpulse flinches its really disgusting. tera steel for :kyurem: checking and flash cannon popping
Zamazenta @ Choice Band
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Heavy Slam
- Stone Edge
been trying to make cb :zamazenta: work for me and its only now that it works out. frankly idbp is prob better but we're going for the jugular. since we have a scarf :landorus-therian: i could justify ada tera fight here. its really nice here with how much dmg output this guy can do. plus thanks to adding :hydreigon: here, :kingambit: is way less of a endgame threat here so you can let :zamazenta: brawl here. tera fight cc 2hkos :dondozo: which is pretty disgusting. didnt pick ice fang here since :hydreigon: shreds through :landorus-therian: and :gliscor: pretty well.
Gholdengo @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 152 SpA / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Make It Rain
- Recover
so i wanted to use a non balloon np :gholdengo: here. i already used metal coat and felt that i could def be more creative. cloak seemed like a nice fit here. beats down :garganacl: and :pecharunt: . going bulky here really saved my ass a lot of times vs stuff like :zamazenta: and :enamorus: tera water is nice vs smth like :walking-wake: and just solid neutral type. speed is for :gliscor: and the rest in a spa stat bump and max hp
https://pokepast.es/35905d9abf3a3157
this team got top 45 iirc. heres some replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633190546-ovrf1najn3iogo5skc98wm7rhnxn1iipw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633176280-lyjsgd87wtoqayhi2xy6g1ubl1cbp4upw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633133287-2k1ixlr01uhmllji77ef22qjhkd0dvppw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633130073-nhluaqeowko3fwurc3wbkiij86eq0kwpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633126048-7toouswc4ko1kipko4ugrs1rl9rfd3dpw
oh and id also like to add some special honorable teams. they got around top 60-70 ish and i just figured they should have some fun
https://pokepast.es/d57994f63147248c
a triple av team with double removal. pretty self explanatory. went with cm hatt though since i find pain split to be really prepped for, so a nice sweeper that can block most hazard setters would help here. heres some replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2625405013-xp5fqi6v9ugfthtsqqx5l2hl5nwral6pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2625416695-0eagdu2x1h2tf4rimtxax80c0wwrxbxpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2626252770-mwpdl0hkwkepjehbrs1qv9uhqr07kdnpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2626254123-2eke9ske7cf0nvn9c5ta3xx7cavlragpw
https://pokepast.es/fd759a752d3b7d5c
this team is a little special for me. double removal with bulky red card rai. Marnie suggested that i go red card and i figured itd be nice. turns out it is. team is pretty solid just really hates tspikes. heres more replays
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628087624-h8gl05o4c8v82ld4blob61q4ji3pq5wpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628086866-ooqgwqy8ubhmhyj0uduwkbxhrhxc8ytpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2628182550-6vy4ep4s9h48440d57bncek5oj7qgnopw
also a heres the wake team that made henrysalt crashout. i lowkey haxxed and highkey got gate kept by him with previous teams but it was funny
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2633064418-p183nebmeemjcmq75ow9l7ak5xr4eh2pw
aight have fun everyone