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Resource Pokemon Champions BSS Viability Rankings
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Well, honestly no one really owes anyone anything on here xd, they're nice to have it sometimes I guess.
It's more about discussing than what the final thing is, cause what we/they decide isn't really gonna change what you or I run or feel need to check/counter esp.
Like do they state that they won't have viability rankings during some regulations because there will be too many regulations. That's fine too.
And viability rankings definitely influence what people run and try to counter.
Well no, they never intend no vr. It just takes time, fewer big contributors than smogon metas.
This is a hobbyist website that, with the exception of two people, is entirely comprised of unpaid volunteers contributing in their spare time. It's a bit unreasonable to be making demands of people like your their boss.
Also you can generally get a good feel of what the metagame is like even w/o offfical vrs by just playing the game.
Also you can generally get a good feel of what the metagame is like even w/o offfical vrs by just playing the game.
The majority of the BSS resources/VR council members (myself included) have also been busy with BSSPL prep. Playing on a tournament is a commitment and we'll get to this as soon as we can.
thanks
I did not make a demand. I was implying that it's strange that they didn't just throw together a rough estimate as a starting point. But deepseazapdos answered it.
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Mega Metagross should be S tier or A+. It's the most centralizing Mega pokemon at the moment. The standard 4 attacks set is very good with coverage options that can be customized for your team. Psychic Fangs has great utility with all the screens running around. There is also the Iron Defense + Body Press set which got popular late last season which can flip some matchups on its head. It allows you to beat stuff like Mega Blaziken, (Mega) Scizor, Gyarados and Hippowdon. A bunch of Japanese Youtubers all posted videos today showcasing the set:
H32 B32+ S2 with Iron Defense / Body Press / Psychic Fangs and the last slot can be Bullet Punch, Substitute or Agility ( probably want more Speed investment with Agility).
Mimikyu should also be S tier or A+. Life Orb is basically its Mega stone. The Trick Room sets are better now with Mega Mawile, but I personally think the popular core of Sash Greninja + TR Mimikyu + Mega Mawile is simply solid but not amazing.
Mega Blaziken and Mega Delphox should move up and probably be closer to Mega Charizard Y in A tier somewhere. Fire types are quite powerful in response to Mega Metagross. These two are also pretty good at abusing Screens to set up. Mega Delphox is good into more defensive teams that run Mega Dragalge + Corviknight and with some prediction and Dazzling Gleam can also threaten the popular Mega Metagross + Hydreigon duo. Modest Dark Pulse from Hydreigon does not KO Mega Delphox so as long as you avoid getting flinched...
Alolan Ninetales and Grimmsnarl should be B tier or maybe low A tier. They both benefited greatly from the inclusion of Light Clay, but as the metagame has developed, people are more used to and prepared for dealing with Screens. Despite the popularity I do not think they are top threats. I think the two are fairly interchangeable, but maybe Alolan Ninetales should be slightly higher.
Gholdengo is still great. Should be in A- or B+ tier. Its bulkier sets still comfortably deal with more defensive teams and the Choice Scarf set is solid as well. Unfortunately a lot of the metagame's responses to Mega Metagross also deal with Gholdengo, which can make it a little harder to use.
H32 B32+ S2 with Iron Defense / Body Press / Psychic Fangs and the last slot can be Bullet Punch, Substitute or Agility ( probably want more Speed investment with Agility).
Mimikyu should also be S tier or A+. Life Orb is basically its Mega stone. The Trick Room sets are better now with Mega Mawile, but I personally think the popular core of Sash Greninja + TR Mimikyu + Mega Mawile is simply solid but not amazing.
Mega Blaziken and Mega Delphox should move up and probably be closer to Mega Charizard Y in A tier somewhere. Fire types are quite powerful in response to Mega Metagross. These two are also pretty good at abusing Screens to set up. Mega Delphox is good into more defensive teams that run Mega Dragalge + Corviknight and with some prediction and Dazzling Gleam can also threaten the popular Mega Metagross + Hydreigon duo. Modest Dark Pulse from Hydreigon does not KO Mega Delphox so as long as you avoid getting flinched...
Alolan Ninetales and Grimmsnarl should be B tier or maybe low A tier. They both benefited greatly from the inclusion of Light Clay, but as the metagame has developed, people are more used to and prepared for dealing with Screens. Despite the popularity I do not think they are top threats. I think the two are fairly interchangeable, but maybe Alolan Ninetales should be slightly higher.
Gholdengo is still great. Should be in A- or B+ tier. Its bulkier sets still comfortably deal with more defensive teams and the Choice Scarf set is solid as well. Unfortunately a lot of the metagame's responses to Mega Metagross also deal with Gholdengo, which can make it a little harder to use.
What’s H and B?
It’s a quick form of writings SPs:
H : HP
A : Attack
B : Defense
C : Sp. Attack
D : Sp. Defense
S : Speed
I would say the bigger selling point of Life Orb compared to Spell Tag is slightly reach on Shadow Sneak to secure KOs. I don't know of a key situation off the top of my head that can really illustrate this point, but in a meta where the opposition can easily pick up chip damage from Stealth Rocks and Sandstorm, being able to Shadow Sneak to get the KO while keeping your Disguise intact in huge.
Very happy to see the updated rankings! Thanks for that. I've started playing only with the release of this reg, and while I've been using Primarina on my team almost since the beginning, I've honestly struggled to get much value from it so far - especially recently as I've climbed up to Ultra Ball tier and Megagross is basically everywhere (including my team). She's a great check for Hydreigon, she's a special attacker (which feel like a short supply) and Fairy typing potentially allows some switches, but she never feels like an actual decent solution for any one issue. Is it just a bit of role compression and lack of viable non-mega special attackers that causes her to be that high up the rankings?
Primarina is very customizable and generally has a variant that fits on most teams. The power level is also currently a bit lower than other BSS metagames that it’s struggled in so its good qualities are on display a lot more consistently. Tapu Fini being absent from the pool of available pokemon means there’s not a lot of competition for the specific role Primarina fills.
Its funny you mention this because I just got bamboozled by two separate Scolipede teams today.
The simple answer is that we have to be selective on what gets ranked. I mentioned this in our internal chat, but it feels like there is a lot of different builds right now that are experiencing some degree of success. At some point, the VR become less useful if every niche Pokemon gets ranked; it was already a bit of a struggle to keep this list from blowing up further, to be honest. Scolipede, for example, is outside top 50 usage and hasn't shown a lot of strong finishes at higher level play (only 1 finish in top 100.)
Of course, there will always be some degree of subjectivity to what "deserves" to get ranked. This is what the discussion forum is for, so I'd be open to hearing a more in-depth explanation on the niche it fills (partners and movesets but also things like how it interacts with top meta threats.)
So well put! Yeah, can't rank it all i 100% agree. What's the reason for gren one rank above its mega now? I agree, but in the past mega past mega was ranked, and no regular. They're kinda the same idea, so it shouldn't be cause of the meta I'd think.
Edit: heattom bad now? In the past hovered around wash, idk this game but in years with them they always kinda had similar usage. If so that is fine, I'm just curious...
Edit: heattom bad now? In the past hovered around wash, idk this game but in years with them they always kinda had similar usage. If so that is fine, I'm just curious...
Ok. Could you tell us/me why wash is B+, if mainly it is a mini(arch) answer to a currently B- duo?
Because it still does the role of a standard physical tank (being a nuisance to Garchomp Metagross and co) while having the capacity to check some rain threats. The rain core might be ranked somewhat low but that doesn’t make it any less dangerous, it just has pretty severe opportunity cost. Having a way to handle it is still pretty important
I feel like Hippowdon probably merits S-. That thing is everywhere, like half of all teams at least, and when it is part of a team there's like a 75% chance it'll appear. It's basically the Ting-Lu of this meta with more or less comparable bulk relative to the power level but with a lot more utility. You basically need a way to stop it from getting up to its usual shenanigans.
Hippowdon is mediocre if you prepare for it. You need breakers, not just sash mons to trade vs offensive threats