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Tournaments BWPL VI Discussion Thread

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With BWPL VI signups in the near future, we figure now's the time to begin discussion on the format.

Depending on interest and signups, we're open to the 12 slot format some other Gen PLs have adopted.

Last year's Format for reference:
BW Ubers
BW OU Bo3
BW OU
BW OU
BW UU
BW RU
BW NU
BW PU
BW ZU
BW LC


If there's anything else, feel free to mention it below! We will finalize the format a week before BWPL Manager signups go live.
 
I'm personally interested in a DOU and OU4 slot that we've seen in other gens, bringing up the slots to 12. DOU is a format that would draw a very different playerbase and not cut into any of our other tiers very much, while there is always enough OU signups to support a 4th. 12 slots is a lot though, so I'm curious what managers in particular have to say on it.
 
personal opinion if we go 12 slots:
ou4 > draft > dou > ou5(4 is enough).
 
VGC13 :pleading_emoji:
Its had two spotlight ladders with high activity and has been a consistent presence across oldgens doubles and VGC circuits on site. There is decent overlap in the DOU and VGC playerbase and if both were to be included they could assist one another and neither player would be on an island.
 
I vote for a similar format to ORAS PL right now and that's

Ubers
OU
OU
OU
OU Bo3
DOU
UU
RU
NU
PU
ZU
LC

It's got that nice feel to it and covers plenty of OU, even adding another one in there compared to last time. One could argue going 5 OUs with one of them being Bo3, but 3 OUs and a Bo3 is solid enough. DOU gets included this time and I'm sure that'll bring in more signups for that. This feels like the best format imo.
 
Maybe my opinion comes from bias because PU and ZU weren't a thing in BW during its most active years and it is to my understanding these are formats that rose in popularity recently. I don't think they're quite what the BW spirit represents and they moreso feel like fillers. Though, you may correct me if my perception is wrong.

I think formats like DOU or VGC 13 would be more fitting for a BW-themed tournament, especially VGC 13 because it used to be in SPL when BW was current gen. I'd definitely do something like ubers, Bo3 ou, 4 ous, uu, ru, nu, lc, vgc 13, dou
 
We are repeating the same discussion as last year. The DOU playerbase is not quite big enough to make a big spectacle out of it. I would much rather see like 2 more OU or another OUBO3 slot than something that appeases a small part of the playerbase. I do absolutely not want to discredit people who play the tier and/or want to have it featured in this tour but I still think it's not the right step. At that point we could go draft like in dpp or other pls, give suspect tiers a chance or explore something entirely different.

I would personally not stock up the slot, diminishing the few good matches that can be generated by this tour.
 
PU and ZU are both quite nice formats with a decent pool of players that will signup to play them, a nonstarter imo.

I feel like BW has definitely seen considerable growth as of late and that this tour can definitely support a 12 slotter so long that we add an extra OU as well.

12 slot tours can at times be tough on managers, but imo if we feel it’ll make our tour better it’s the way to go regardless.

As such, I agree with the rat as far as adding OU and DOU and expanding.
 
Personal suggest for format since i plan on managing again is to add 2 slots, add another ou slot (making it 3 bo1 ou slots and a bo3 ou slot, so ig ou4 if you want to call it that) and then we'd put up a slot for one of draft or dou, my personal biases lean more towards wanting a dou slot as the player base is motivated and it has less overlap than draft would in terms of players.

that being said, I had planned to host a BWCL this November which will be lower tier focused so whatever doesn't get expanded towards here will more than likely be featured there.
 
I agree, monotype should be consider if expanding to 12 slots. the bw monotype open was a good showcase and allowed for newer players to be involved with the metagame. It was discussed last year that a 12 slot format could fit Monotype and I don't think the arguments for including Monotype have gotten any weaker since then. If anything, the tier has continued to show that it can support serious tournament play.
 
Posting in favor of expanding to 12 slots with the following format:

BW Ubers
BW OU Bo3
BW OU
BW OU
BW UU
BW RU
BW NU
BW PU
BW ZU
BW LC
BW Monotype
BW Draft

It was decided that Monotype would not be included in last year's BWPL. Instead, Gypsy presented an opportunity for a BW Monotype tournament to be hosted. I happily accepted to host the BW Monotype Open that was won by Cow. The BW and Monotype community, along with a few other big names like Spitfire, Sabella, DAHLI, and more, came together to fight in that tour and it was a great success with almost 200 signups (including subs).

The format last year seemed fine and adding Monotype and Draft could add even more excitement and competition from these other big communities. The BW Monotype Open showed that the two communities can combine to make an exciting and competitive tournament. Draft is another tier that has an incredible depth of players that absolutely amazing. I got to witness it in this year’s NDWC. Another great opportunity to host a tournament where Draft was added for the first time and was a huge hit. I also believe that expanding to 12 slots is the more ideal scenario where all sides can be happy and nothing has to be removed in order to include another tier.

Cheers.
 
Jahkem said:
Posting in favor of expanding to 12 slots with the following format:

BW Ubers
BW OU Bo3
BW OU
BW OU
BW UU
BW RU
BW NU
BW PU
BW ZU
BW LC
BW Monotype
BW Draft

It was decided that Monotype would not be included in last year's BWPL. Instead, Gypsy presented an opportunity for a BW Monotype tournament to be hosted. I happily accepted to host the BW Monotype Open that was won by Cow. The BW and Monotype community, along with a few other big names like Spitfire, Sabella, DAHLI, and more, came together to fight in that tour and it was a great success with almost 200 signups (including subs).

The format last year seemed fine and adding Monotype and Draft could add even more excitement and competition from these other big communities. The BW Monotype Open showed that the two communities can combine to make an exciting and competitive tournament. Draft is another tier that has an incredible depth of players that absolutely amazing. I got to witness it in this year’s NDWC. Another great opportunity to host a tournament where Draft was added for the first time and was a huge hit. I also believe that expanding to 12 slots is the more ideal scenario where all sides can be happy and nothing has to be removed in order to include another tier.

Cheers.
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expanding to 12 slots without not adding a single OU slot shouldn't even be considered. adv/oras pls went with 12 slots and 5 OU slot, why would it be different with bw? I'm not even saying that it should be added 2 ou slot, but 3/12 OU slot is laughable.
 
Proposed Format (12 slots):
BW Ubers
BW OU Bo3
BW OU
BW OU
BW UU
BW RU
BW NU
BW PU
BW ZU / BW Monotype
BW LC
BW Draft
BW DOU / BW Monotype

I am also in agreement with expanding this edition to 12 slots. Contrary to people's opinion, I think BW Monotype is fairly accessible and/or popular, and it's had high-level players in the BW Monotype Open, MPL, and other tours. In addition, there will be several Monotype players who would be interested in playing this tour, including feedback about including this in the upcoming MCL (Monotype Champions League). Overall, I feel the Monotype community would appreciate being more included in non-monotype based team tours.

I don't think BW ZU will be as popular compared to the other slots, so I would probably drop this for BW DOU, which will not only be more popular out of the two, but will give the opportunity to another section of the community, including many high level players here.

Finally, it looks like BW Draft alongside the other Draft formats have been really popular, so adding this would personally be a no-brainer.

TLDR - Add Draft and BW DOU/Monotype over ZU.
 
Hi 12 slots is fine, i will be sad if zu gets cut bc i love that shit, ou4+whatever that isnt 1v1/nfe would be pretty solid as a format

Pretty much always favor adding some form of doubles, whether its dou or vgc13 isnt a super big deal but i think doubles is cool
 
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Feels like not too long ago we have been here, so let's just ask another time: Monotype last year was told, that if sing ups and intrest for it in BWPL is shown via the replacement tour it got, that it would be considered for BWPL. Now i will just ask: did the sign ups for the tour show enough support? Monotype has had BW in all its major teamtours (MPL and MWP) and it will also be featured in MCL. If the BW community wants to join monotype, all the roads are there to get into teamtours for BW. It would be nice to see Monotype getting some form of representation, and i think with the large playerbase and a metagame considered fairly balanced and competitive, BWPL is the place for monotype to join right in.
 
Hi, I already support that idea last year but I think it would be great if a slot for monotype would be add. I have the feeling they are a strong opposition to the adding of monotype in tournaments in general, but I can guarantee they are also a whole community who would love to see monotype having his place. Can't guarantee all of our player would sign up if bw monotype will be add, but in this pool they are really competant player so I really think it would be a good addition for bwpl. Imo the bw monotype open made last year was a good illustration of what the community are able to show in term of involvement.

12 slots would be a great way to make that possible, of what I read bw DOU has people who would like having their slot too, bw draft is kinda cool but it can also be 4th slot of OU. But yeah I do not like the idea of taking the place of another tier so I prefer to support a 12 slots tournament.

I personally think bw monotype is a tier enough interesting to deserve an attention, and I encourages people to test it, it's the kind of tier where the effort u put in it are reward well and it's fun so it's win/win.

I think I said everything I wanted to say, good bwpl to everyone !
 
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14 slots would be pretty fucking based with dou and vgc and draft and an extra ou
only adding one doubles format means ur gigasnubbing half the excellent players + putting ur doubles guy on an island - would suggest either u add two doubles slots or u add zero
draft is super hype and beloved
if u expand it definirelt has to be +1 ou
if u go 12 add draft and ou gg
 
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