Pet Mod [PM LC] - Mix and Mega - Limited Supply [Slate 11 @ #361]

[Lysion]

Set 4
:sv/iron treads: :dragalgite:
Iron Treads @ Dragalgite
90/112/120/72/70/106 -> 90/122/135/107/110/106
Quark Drive -> Regenerator
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Ice Spinner
- Volt Switch

Bulky pivot with hazard removal, typing should be useful while not too broken.

Set 5
:sv/palkia: :fire memory:
Palkia @ Fire Memory
Water/Dragon -> Water/Dragon/Fire
90/120/100/150/120/100
Pressure
- Hydro Pump
- Spatial Rend
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast

Trying to make Palkia work with the triple type here, should give it an edge over Walking Wake (also not as dependent on Sun).

Set 6
:sv/landorus: :blastoisinite:
Landorus @ Blastoisinite
89/125/90/115/80/101 -> 89/145/110/165/90/101
Sand Force -> Primordial Sea
- Nasty Plot
- Sandsear Storm
- Weather Ball
- Grass Knot

Landorus Primordial Sea is a funny set in AAA, and while Landorus Blue Orb is kinda bad in regular MnM, it should be better here. Also has a pretty good MU vs Zamazenta.

Note: It was originally Set 1, with Blue Orb, but I forgot Archaludon Blue Orb so change of plan.

 

[Drag0n]

:pmd/tyranitar::diancie-mega:

Set 1: Dark Diamonds

100/134/110/95/100/61 -> 100/184/85/145/75/111
Sand Stream -> Rocky Payload
- Power Gem
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power

This turns ttar into a powerful offensive mon that still maintains decent bulk even after mega evolving. Opted for the weaker special attacking stat for a more consistent rock move that still hits incredibly hard off a 145 spatk stat and rocky payload.

:pmd/tornadus-therian::aggron-mega:

Set 2: Steel Bird

79/100/80/110/90/121 -> 79/130/130/110/110/121
Flying -> Flying/Steel
Regenerator -> Filter
- Bleakwind Storm
- Hammer Arm
- Taunt
- U-turn

Aggronite gives torn the amazing flying + steel defensive typing and filter to eat up attacks from the few weaknesses this typing has. Regenerator is a nice pre-mega ability allowing you to delay mega evolving to get health back if you wish. Hammer Arm is not only good coverage to hit the steels that resist your flying type attacks and strong due to the added attack from aggronite, it also lowers your speed allowing torn to be a slow pivot after using hammer arm once or twice.

:pmd/hatterene::alakazam-mega:

Set 3: Expanding Hat

57/90/95/136/103/29 -> 57/100/110/151/133/59
Magic Bounce -> Psychic Surge
- Expanding Force
- Draining Kiss
- Mystical Fire
- Trick Room

With the changed Alakazite, Hatterene becomes a offensive beast with 151 spatk, STAB psychic surge expanding force, and a secondary fairy typing to hit dark types that would otherwise wall expanding force. However, it is limited due to its poor speed stat which even after the 30 points the Alakazite provides doesn't even reach 60, meaning it has to rely on trick room for speed control.

:pmd/samurott-hisui::falinks-mega:

Set 4: Double Edged Sword

90/108/80/100/65/85 -> 90/143/90/105/75/120
Sharpness -> Brass Bond
- Razor Shell
- Ceaseless Edge
- Sacred Sword
- Sucker Punch

Falinksite turns samu h into a powerful spikes setter allowing it to get 2 spikes up from ceasless edge in exchange from the power sharpness provided as well as allowing a potential -2 defense drop from razor shell. Sacred sword is nice coverage and sucker punch for priority is always nice too.

:pmd/spectrier::meadow-plate: (Calyrex-Shadow)

Set 5: Back to its Roots

As One (Spectrier) -> Multitype
- Nasty Plot
- Astral Barrage
- Energy Ball
- Draining Kiss

Similar to base calyrex, meadow plate gives csr the grass typing as well as removing the extremely powerful ability As One to balance out the mon.

:pmd/goodra::audino-mega:

Set 6: Regen Goodra

90/100/70/110/150/80 -> 80/100/110/130/190/60
Dragon -> Dragon/Fairy
Gooey -> Regenerator
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Tail

redo

 

[Blitz_eye]

Set 1 The Sheriff RESUB

Iron Valiant @ emboarite
74/130/120/60/116->74/145/100/155/90/126
Quark Drive->Neuroforce
Fairy/Fighting
-Close Combat
-Moonblast
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
Explanation
Welcome back partner to the wild wild lands of America today I found a perfect person to take the job of sheriff with his can do it all attitude Iron Valiant is the perfect sheriff to rein in all those common thieves close combat and moonblast hit the most common thieves in the format and shadow ball hit those ghostly rapscalions that are common in our part of town and thunderbolt can rain on those pesky birds. Without a calm mind Iron Valiant is free to shoot first and ask questions later.

Set 2 Champion of Kanto (in slowmotion) RESUB

Slowking@ Abomasite
95/75/80/100/110/30->95/115/100/140/110/30
Water/psychic
Regenerator->Ice scales
-Slack Off
-Chilly Reception
-Future Sight
-Thunder Wave
Explaination
With abomasite being changed adding ice scales it makes slowking a very good wall special and physical losing out on regenerator is fine with slack off to recover and this adds a new water into the tier

Set 3 Champion of Galar (in slowmotion) RESUB

Slowking-Galar@ dragalgite
95/65/80/110/30->95/75/95/145/150/30
Regenerator->Regenerator
Poison/Psychic
-Future Sight
-Sludge Bomb
-Chilly Reception
-Flamethrower
Explaination
Yup it’s double slowkings baby you thought I would be original laughable! This is just a upgraded standard Glowking and it’s really gonna glow up those pesky steel types we love so much with flamethrower

I decided to do 3 resubs from last slate because I truly believe in these ideas and looking at the first three sets these Pokemon are perfect for the job and 2 of my submissions adding very needed bulk to meta in regards to heatran counters as it’s very scary currently

 

[Eeveeto]

Set 1:
:basculegion_f: :tatsugiri:

Basculegion-F (F) @ Tatsugirinite
120/92/65/100/75/78 > 120/107/95/115/105/88
Ability: Mold Breaker > Supreme Overlord
- Last Respects
- Agility
- Surf
- Shadow Ball


Brutal late game mixed sweeper. Has Mold breaker pre-Mega to make it a little weaker before Mega evolving.

Set 2:
:houndstone: :dragalge:

Houndstone @ Dragalgite
72/101/100/50/97/68 > 72/111/115/85/137/68
Ability: Fluffy > Regenerator
- Will-O-Wisp
- Body Press
- Poltergeist
- Roar

Bulky Ghost that burns, removes set-up sweepers and hits decently hard. Regenerator heals it.

Set 3:
:espeon: :emboar:

Espeon @ Emboarite
Ability: Magic Bounce > Neuroforce
65/65/60/130/95/110 > 65/80/70/165/125/120
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Alluring Voice
- Grass Knot
- Power Gem

Cute cat that deals super effective damage to almost everything.

Set 4:
:cobalion: :delphox:

Cobalion @ Delphoxite
Ability: Justified > Levitate
91/90/129/90/72/108 > 91/90/129/135/98/138
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Volt Switch
- Aura Sphere
- Flash Cannon

A pivot almost immune to Hazards. It has decent bulk and enough offensive power to be useful across the whole match.

Set 5:
:sandy_shocks: :genesect:


Sandy Shocks @ Chill Drive
Ability: Protosynthesis > Download
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Earth Power
- Tera Blast

Download gives Sandy Shocks more power, while the Chill Drive allows for Boltbeam coverage.

Set 6:
:muk: :mewtwo:

Muk @ Mewtwonite X
Ability: Poison Touch > Huge Power
105/105/75/65/100/50 > 105/105/120/65/145/60
- Gunk Shot
- Drain Punch
- Curse
- Shadow Sneak

Very bulky Huge Power Mon that can set-up and sweep. However, it now has a x4 weakness to Psychic.

 

[G-Luke]

I'm gonna do a sub review. I don't really trust yall judgment anymore without input. I feel like sub reviews are gonna be needed in the future or we are gonna be forced to fight Heatrans and be forced to use Hoopas and Cryogonals for the rest of our lives.

Set 1: Talonflame

Talonflame @ Gengarite
78/81/71/74/69/126 -> 78/81/91/114/89/146
Ability: Gale Wings -> Shadow Tag
- Overheat
- Hurricane
- Roost
- U-turn

I wanted to try to make Gengarite work and Talonflame seemed like a good candidate. Should be a good revenge killer, but with it being fairly weak at 114 Special Attack should make it such that its not overwhelming. I did not give it Will-o-Wisp as stalling things out slowly like that did not seem so fun, but I did give it Roost so it can avoid being worn down too quickly and also not instantly die to a few Rocks.

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I think this is still uncompetitive and should be vetoed, especially in such a match up fish based meta game like this. Roll the right mon and you just win. Get off hazards before b hand and it gets increasingly harder to force progress when this guy is in the back.

Set 4: Scyther

Scyther @ Mewtwonite X
70/110/80/55/80/105 -> 70/110/125/55/125/115
Ability: Steadfast -> Pure Power
- U-turn
- Close Combat
- Defog
- Quick Attack

Defog user who also has the rarest type and an unused stone as of right now! It's a pretty simple set due to Scyther's lacking movepool. The added Fighting type should help a lot in survivability, removing its Rocks weakness and the added defenses should help a lot as well. Close Combat is a nuke for anything that is not immune or resists it, while U-turn allows you to get significant chip damage and Quick Attack allows you to revenge Pokemon in a pinch. And of course, there is Defog which should work well on a pivot like this, I hope.

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I think this might be too strong. 110 Atk is really strong with Pure Power, but when backed by a 120 BP STAB move, it feels like it would be really hard to switch into this guy, especially depending the level. Id say in my opinion this thing is too strong of a wallbreaker.

Set 2:

:sv/tentacruel::sv/mewtwo-mega-x:

Resident Weirdmon 2

Tentacruel @ Mewtwonite X
80/70/65/80/120/100 (old) -> 80/70/110/80/165/110 (new)
Clear Body -> Pure Power
Water/Poison (old) -> Water/Fighting
- Liquidation
- Haze
- Rapid Spin
- Flip Turn

Using an entirely offensive stone to make a defensive mon? It's Possible.

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I think this is cheating ngl. Mewtwonite X is explicitly an offensive stone, and the prompt specifies using defensive stones since they aren't being used. This feels like circumventing the plot, and competing against this would be unfair to other submitters.

Set 4

I Sea Bomb

:Glimmora: @ :Latiasite: Latiosite
83/55/90/130/81/86-> 83/75/120/160/101/86
Toxic Debris -> Levitate
Type: Poison/Rock
- Earth Power
- Mortal Spin
- Sludge Bomb
- Stealth Rock

Both a Rocks/TSpikes Mon and Spinner, aswell as levitate to negate ground damage.
(And surprisingly strong! 160 SpAtk nothing to laugh at.)

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I think you should go with Latias instead of Latios. Serves Glimm better.

Set 1
:sv/landorus: :blue orb:
Landorus @ Blue Orb
90/112/120/72/70/106 -> 90/122/135/107/110/106
Sand Force -> Primordial Sea
- Nasty Plot
- Sandsear Storm
- Weather Ball
- Grass Knot

Landorus Primordial Sea is a funny set in AAA, and while Landorus Blue Orb is kinda bad in regular MnM, it should be better here. Also has a pretty good MU vs Zamazenta.

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Please update the stats here so we have an idea of what we should be voting for.

:pmd/spectrier::meadow-plate: (Calyrex-Shadow)

Set 5: Back to its Roots

As One (Spectrier) -> Multitype
- Nasty Plot
- Astral Barrage
- Energy Ball
- Draining Kiss

Similar to base calyrex, meadow plate gives csr the grass typing as well as removing the extremely powerful ability As One to balance out the mon.

:pmd/goodra-hisui::audino-mega:

Set 6: Regen Hoodra

80/100/100/110/150/60 -> 80/100/140/130/190/60
Steel/Dragon -> Steel/Fairy
Gooey -> Regenerator
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Tail

Audinite gives hoodra fantastic bulk with 140 defense and almost 200 spdef at 190 as well as the amazing defensive typing of Fairy/Steel, providing a much needed extremely bulky mon to counteract all the broken offensive mons in the meta. Regenerator is a dream ability for hoodra as it provides reliable recovery for a bulky Pokémon lacking it. It is also a great ability to give to Audinite for future Pokémon as it will encourage more defensive options to be made in a meta filled with offensive ones. Base Audino gets Regenerator too, which is extra validation for this ability on the Audinite stone. For these reasons I also like Regenerator over Triage which was suggested by AthenaStrive9 because while it is a cool ability, it would just turn Audinite into another broken offensive stone instead of a solid defensive stone which I think the tier needs a lot more.

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Calyrex Shadow Rider may be too strong. Not sure this might be too strong, but I may be bullshitting it.

I think Hoodra is def too strong here. Steel Fairy wirh that bulk and Regen is lowkey ridiculous to face. Maybe use Regular Goodra? Its frailer on the physical side and has a much more balanced base and final Mega typing.

Set 2 Champion of Kanto (in slowmotion) RESUB

Slowking@ Abomasite
95/75/80/100/110/30->95/115/100/140/110/30
Water/psychic
Regenerator->Ice scales
-Slack Off
-Chilly Reception
-Future Sight
-Thunder Wave
Explaination
With abomasite being changed adding ice scales it makes slowking a very good wall special and physical losing out on regenerator is fine with slack off to recover and this adds a new water into the tier

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This is too strong. Like woah, not alot of special set up exists so very few Pokémon can do anything to this.

Lvl 81 84 SpA Weavile Dark Pulse vs. Lvl 85 84 HP / 84 SpD Ice Scales Slowking: 96-114 (32 - 38%) -- 93.2% chance to 3HKO

(Idk what Level king will get, but Weavile rolls 81).

This is too strong of a special wall...nothing can bypass this.

Set 3:
:espeon: :emboar:

Espeon @ Emboarite
Ability: Magic Bounce > Neuroforce
65/65/60/130/95/110 > 65/80/70/165/125/120
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Alluring Voice
- Grass Knot
- Power Gem

Cute cat that deals super effective damage to almost everything.

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I think it would serve Espeon very well if you replaced GKnot and/or Power Gem with Calm Mind and possibly Shadow Ball. This thing definitely should learn Calm Mind, and it might be beneficial that SBall be placed as coverage move as well, but this might lean out of the SE coverage (but too much stuff just walls you lol).

 

[Eeveeto]

I think it would serve Espeon very well if you replaced GKnot and/or Power Gem with Calm Mind and possibly Shadow Ball. This thing definitely should learn Calm Mind, and it might be beneficial that SBall be placed as coverage move as well, but this might lean out of the SE coverage (but too much stuff just walls you lol).

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Would definetely do it if Espeon learned Earth Power, Aura Sphere or Mystical Fire. As it is, its walled by Steels whether it has CM or not. I therefore view Espeon as a cleaner that hits hard pretty much everything... except Steel types.

 

[Snaquaza]

I think this might be too strong. 110 Atk is really strong with Pure Power, but when backed by a 120 BP STAB move, it feels like it would be really hard to switch into this guy, especially depending the level. Id say in my opinion this thing is too strong of a wallbreaker.

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I talked to PQ about this before, as he had a similar worry. However, the thing is that Scyther's type coverage is incredibly limited (Bug / Fighting / weak Normal is horrendous) and while its other stats are a better, Scyther is barely stronger than standard Mega Medicham. That is, of course, a very strong Close Combat, but it's also much more one note than that Pokemon.

Let me compare it to some other Pokemon, Great Tusk. (I'll use the same level, but there are a few Pokemon with a lower level even, in case it needs to be made weaker.) Calc vs. regular Shaymin for comparison.

Lvl 84 84 Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. Lvl 82 84 HP / 84 Def Shaymin: 187-222 (62.7 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Lvl 84 84 Atk Pure Power Scyther Close Combat vs. Lvl 82 84 HP / 84 Def Shaymin: 237-280 (79.5 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Edit: Skarmory also has the same ability, a better typing, a way to boost its speed, and better coverage. It has 5 less attack, but Brave Bird is equally strong as Close Combat (and Flying is probably more spammable than Fighting).
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It is, of course, stronger than Great Tusk with Close Combat, but it also has significantly worse coverage. All the Ghosts wall it by virtue of only being hittable by U-turn. Then, Pokemon like Gouging Fire use it as setup bait fairly easily:

Lvl 84 84 Atk Pure Power Scyther Close Combat vs. Lvl 74 84 HP / 84 Def Gouging Fire: 66-78 (23.8 - 28.1%) -- 95.1% chance to 4HKO

PQ did voice the same worry a bit though, and if he still thinks it's too much I'll work on a different submission instead, as the second best Fighting move is so weak that it'd not really be able to do its job well, in my opinion.

(I've talked to PQ about Talonflame as well, he said he had hoped Shadow Tag would be changed by someone, but not that this set looked too strong. I am happy to modify the set there to make it easier, but I don't really see many Pokemon that just fall to Talonflame. You say 'roll the right Pokemon' and just win, but I think there are a couple Pokemon in general that have that possibility, even without Shadow Tag. But yeah, controversial ability, though I assumed the stone was not banned for a reason)

 

[Drag0n]

Calyrex Shadow Rider may be too strong. Not sure this might be too strong, but I may be bullshitting it.

I think Hoodra is def too strong here. Steel Fairy wirh that bulk and Regen is lowkey ridiculous to face. Maybe use Regular Goodra? Its frailer on the physical side and has a much more balanced base and final Mega typing.

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I think Calyrex Shadows stats relative to the other megas in the format are equal if not weaker than some and Grass/Ghost is a pretty bad defensive type with 5 weaknesses so it should be pretty easy to revenge kill if it does get out of control which is unlikely due to it no longer having As One.

Calling Hoodra too strong here seems absurd to me as a really strong defensive mon seems needed to counteract all the overwhelming offensive mons relative to good defensive mons. If it does get vetoed for some reason i'll be fine with normal goodra, Dragon/Fairy is still a good defensive typing, but 110 def is still kinda weak for some of the absurd mons in the format so I think Hoodra is reasonable.

 

[Lysion]

Please update the stats here so we have an idea of what we should be voting for.

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Oopsie I forgot, thanks for pointing it out, I'm updating right away

 

[MafuSimp]

:floatzel: :barbaracite:

book one: wotter

Floatzel @ Barbaracite
Ability: Water Veil -> Tough Claws
Type: Water -> Water Fighting
Stats: 85/105/55/85/50/115 -> 85/140/70/95/70/135
- Wave Crash
- Low Kick
- Bulk Up
- Ice Spinner
Fast Water type bulk up, the high atk and high bp moves allow it to deal a lot of damage while bulk up can allow it to clean out games with its high speed tier, ice spinner here to hit dragonite, clear potential terrains that will get subbed in the future and other dragon flyings that might get in

:garchomp: :chandelurite:

book two: earth

Garchomp @ Chandelurite
Ability: Rough Skin -> Neutralizing Gas
Stats: 108/130/95/80/85/102 -> 108/135/130/110/120/97
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
A hazard setter that gets around all the magic bounce in the tier while also hitting levitate ground weak pokemon such as iron moth, while being fairy weak it can actually switch into fairies that rely solely on pixilate for their fairy coverage, it can cover regieleki, scream tail and flygon due to turning off their ability, the lack of boots also means that every dragon tail on top of hazards will rack up damage quickly overtime

:wo chien: :Venusaurite:

book wo: chien

Wo-Chien @ Venusaurite
Ability: Tablets of Ruin -> Thick Fat
Stats: 85/85/100/95/135/70 -> 85/103/140/117/155/70
- Foul Play
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Stun Spore
Gains added bulk and now is neutral into fire and ice, while gaining some special attack as well, this allows it to be a solid switch in on the physical and special side with an ability to cover up its terrible typing

:weezing-galar: :chesnaughtite:

book four: gas

Weezing-Galar @ Chesnaughtite
65/90/120/85/70/60 -> 65/115/165/115/103/27
Ability: Levitate -> Grassy Surge
- Protect
- Flamethrower
- Toxic
- Defog
Toxic stall most pokemon while healing with grassy terrain, flamethrower to hit steels that switch in, defog adds a bit of extra utility against a team with many steels

:rayquaza: :splash plate:

book five: air

Rayquaza @ Splash Plate
Ability: Air Lock
Type: Dragon Flying -> Water Flying
- Waterfall
- Dragon Ascent
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
Water flying sweeper that can hopefully also be a decent defensive check to some of the fire types in the tier that are currently very strong

 

[RetroSquad]

:magnezone::emboar-mega:

Set 1 DATA

Magnezone @ Emboarite
70/70/115/130/90/60 -> 70/85/125/165/120/70
Ability: Analytic -> Neuroforce
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Tri Attack
-Volt Switch
Super strong special attacker but slow as hell, I hope we get more web mons. Nothing new pretty basic set but is a hard hitter

:empoleon::abomasnow-mega:

Set 2 Iceman

Empoleon @ Abomasite
84/86/88/111/101/60 -> 84/126/108/151/121/60
Ability: Competitive -> Ice Scales
- Hydro Pump
- Flash Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Roost
Resub but with a new stone, this time focusing on its special side, since we’re not uber physically defensive I went back to Hydro Pump as this is a rather slow mon. Gives us a water mon with LOTS of resistances and excellent coverage for the meta.

:tyranitar::tyranitar-mega:

Set 3 The Climb

Tyranitar @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream -> Stamina
Stats: 100/134/110/95/100/61 -> 100/164/160/75/120/81
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Crunch
Da OU King is back with his new mega stone, simple but powerful mon, speed is very slow but when you hit this hard and have sand boosted spdef you’ll be ok

:excadrill::absol-mega-z:

Set 4 Phantom Menace RESUB

Excadrill @ Absolite-Z
110/135/60/50/65/88 -> 110/160/80/50/65/123
Ability: Mold Breaker -> Moxie
Typing: Ground/ Steel -> Ground / Ghost
- Rapid Spin
- Drill Run
- Shadow Claw
- Rock Tomb
Anti fighting and spin blocker upon mega, this little hedgehog can do some sick tricks to get a stat boost and try to steam roll with its new moxie ability. Keeps immunity to twave

:mewtwo::ogerpon-hearthflame:

Set 5 Fireman

Mewtwo @ Hearthflame Mask
Stats: 106/110/90/154/90/130
Ability: Pressure -> Mold Breaker
Typing: Psychic -> Psychic/ Fire
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Psystrike
- Ice Beam
I feel like mega’ing this mon may be too powerful, so we give it a useful ability with nice type coverage :) 130 Speed should bring it to top 10 in format to check threats ie heatran.

:samurott-hisui: :gallade-mega:

Set 6 I No Longer Fear the …

Samurott-Hisui @ Galladite
90/108/80/100/65/85 -> 90/148/110/100/65/115
Sharpness -> Sharpness
- Ceaseless Edge
- Razor Shell
- Sacred Sword
- Sucker Punch
Adding Water, giving Gallade the ability is deserves, Sacred for a 100% acc move, Sucker for some form of Prio + Stab

 

[PQRDG]

All right time for a couple vetoes. Most of my issues have been addressed in other conversations, but a couple things that need to be addressed here.

Set 1
:sv/landorus: :blue orb:
Landorus @ Blue Orb
89/125/90/115/80/101 -> 89/175/90/145/100/101
Sand Force -> Primordial Sea
- Nasty Plot
- Sandsear Storm
- Weather Ball
- Grass Knot

Landorus Primordial Sea is a funny set in AAA, and while Landorus Blue Orb is kinda bad in regular MnM, it should be better here. Also has a pretty good MU vs Zamazenta.

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:pmd/tornadus-therian::aggron-mega:

Set 2: Steel Bird

79/100/80/110/90/121 -> 79/130/130/110/110/121
Flying -> Flying/Steel
Regenerator -> Filter
- Bleakwind Storm
- Hammer Arm
- Taunt
- U-turn

Aggronite gives torn the amazing flying + steel defensive typing and filter to eat up attacks from the few weaknesses this typing has. Regenerator is a nice pre-mega ability allowing you to delay mega evolving to get health back if you wish. Hammer Arm is not only good coverage to hit the steels that resist your flying type attacks and strong due to the added attack from aggronite, it also lowers your speed allowing torn to be a slow pivot after using hammer arm once or twice.

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Sets 1 and 2 require a stone that was not won a slate, and we do currently have an Aggronite and a Blue Orb user in the format. Please change these sets to use different stones, or move things around

:pmd/goodra-hisui::audino-mega:

Set 6: Regen Hoodra

80/100/100/110/150/60 -> 80/100/140/130/190/60
Steel/Dragon -> Steel/Fairy
Gooey -> Regenerator
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Tail

Audinite gives hoodra fantastic bulk with 140 defense and almost 200 spdef at 190 as well as the amazing defensive typing of Fairy/Steel, providing a much needed extremely bulky mon to counteract all the broken offensive mons in the meta. Regenerator is a dream ability for hoodra as it provides reliable recovery for a bulky Pokémon lacking it. It is also a great ability to give to Audinite for future Pokémon as it will encourage more defensive options to be made in a meta filled with offensive ones. Base Audino gets Regenerator too, which is extra validation for this ability on the Audinite stone. For these reasons I also like Regenerator over Triage which was suggested by AthenaStrive9 because while it is a cool ability, it would just turn Audinite into another broken offensive stone instead of a solid defensive stone which I think the tier needs a lot more.

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Vetoing the stone on principle, we already have a defensive Regen stone, and adding one that gives the Fairy typing is, in my opinion, not a positive addition to the tier.

I will continue monitoring for the next 24-36 hours, so feel free to add more submissions and change the ones you have. There will be a follow-up veto post if certain conversations are not turned into actions. If you still have any sets labelled Work in Progress, please make sure to update those ASAP.

 

[PQRDG]

Missed a couple vetoes, a couple mons to address.

Set 2:

:sv/tentacruel::sv/mewtwo-mega-x:

Resident Weirdmon 2

Tentacruel @ Mewtwonite X
80/70/65/80/120/100 (old) -> 80/70/110/80/165/110 (new)
Clear Body -> Pure Power
Water/Poison (old) -> Water/Fighting
- Liquidation
- Haze
- Rapid Spin
- Flip Turn

Using an entirely offensive stone to make a defensive mon? It's Possible.

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For a defensive mon, Pure Power Rapid Spin/Flip Turn is all right, but please change Liquidation for another move (recommendation: Toxic, but I may be willing to allow Poison Jab)

:sv/electivire::zeraorite::zeraora-mega:
Electivire @ Zeraorite

Set 1

Electivire @ Zeraorite
75/123/67/95/85/95 -> 75/168/77/110/95/110
Motor Drive -> Transistor

->

- Thunder Punch
- Darkest Lariat
- Ice Punch
- Volt Switch

Strong wallbreaker/pivot, with pretty decent STAB, which gets bolstered more by its ability, and a very high attack stat

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Please make sure you are using the Gen 9 moveset. Sadly, Electivire does not learn Darkest Lariat in Gen 9.

:forretress: :heatran mega: WIP

Set 4

Forretress @ Heatranite
Sturdy (old) -> Flash Fire (new)
- Rapid Spin
- Volt Switch
- hazard
- steel move ig

WIP

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Please remember to finish this set if you want it to be voted on.

This should be all for now, apologies for the double post.

 

[RetroSquad]

These sets belong to Mimik909 in the room

REDACTED Set 3 New Type

Spoiler

Bronzong @ Scolipite
This ended up being very similar or exactly like snaq’s therefore was asked to be removed by council

Set 2 defensive stone

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Diancie @ Slowbronite
Ability: Clear Body -> Unaware
Stats : 50/100/150/100/150/50 -> 50/110/190/110/190/50
- Draining Kiss
- Power Gem
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes

Set 1 Offensive Stone

Spoiler

Porygon2 @ Cameruptite
Ability: Download -> Sheer Force
Stats: 85/80/90/105/95/60 -> 85/100/120/145/125/40
- Trick Room
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Set 6 New ability

Spoiler

Milotic @ Sceptilite
Ability: Competitive -> Dragon’s Maw
Stats: 95/60/79/100/125/81 -> 95/85/89/140/125/106
Typing: Water -> Water/ Dragon
- Dragon Pulse
- Draining Kiss
- Scald
- Flip Turn

Set 5 No Stone

Spoiler

Iron Treads @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Quark Drive -> Interpid Sword
Stats: 90/112/120/72/70/106 -> 90/142/120/72/70/116
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Volt Switch

Set 4 Hazard

Spoiler

Conkeldurr @ Dragalgite
Ability: Guts -> Regenerator
Stats: 105/140/95/55/65/45 -> 105/150/110/90.105/45
- Defog
- Taunt
- Mach Punch
- Drain Punch

 

[PQRDG]

Submissions are now closed, we will move on to the voting phase. The following submission remains vetoed.

Drag0n's :tornadus-therian: :aggron-mega:

Voting will go as follows. Vote for your three favourite from each set, with the first one being worth two points. You are allowed a number of self votes equal to half of your submissions rounded down (minimum 1, maximum 3), with none of them being in the first position. Please specify the user, specifying the Pokemon is optional though also helpful.

Just a bit of book-keeping before we begin the votes. There are a number of Pokemon that have submissions for more than one set.

Repeats

:glimmora: Reonthestreet's Set 4, Snaquaza's Set 6
:hatterene: Drag0n's Set 3, PileOfTrubbish's Set 3
:iron treads: Lysion's Set 4, Mimik909's Set 5
:milotic: AthenaStrive9's Set 3, Mimik909's Set 6, PQRDG's Set 6
:primarina: G-Luke's Set 2, eggdude's Set 3
:samurott-hisui: Drag0n's Set 4, RetroSquad's Set 6
:slowking-galar: Blitz_eye's Set 3, Yvonneon's Set 6
:tyranitar: Drag0n's Set 1, RetroSquad's Set 3
:weezing-galar: MafuSimp's Set 4, PQRDG's Set 4
:zacian: Reonthestreet's Set 1, Yvonneon's Set 5

There are also multiple repeat stones, especially in Set 2. I will be holding us to maintaining our limit of two sets per stone, and one set per Pokemon. Therefore I will be clarifying the following.

If one Pokemon, or more than two stones, get enough votes to get multiple winning sets, especially if they are for two different sets, I will prioritize whichever set gets the most overall votes. I will then disqualify the other set, and give the following placement the win.

There is now a page in the Spreadsheet called "Submissions (S8)" with all of the submissions listed with their typings, abilities, and movepools. Voting will close this weekend. Have at it.

 

[G-Luke]

Set 1: flareth13, G-Luke, MafuSimp
Set 2: eggdude, MafuSimp, G-Luke
Set 3: Reeonthestreet, eggdude, Drag0n
Set 4: AthenaStrive9, Reeonthestreet, flareth13
Set 5: Yvonneon, AthenaStrive9, G-Luke
Set 6: PQRDG, Yvonneon, PileOfTrubbish

 

[Yvonneon]

Set 1: Athena G-Luke Yvonneon
Set 2: Snaq eggdude Athena
Set 3: Athena Drag0n Yvonneon
Set 4:Athena reon retro
set 5: mimik909 Yvonneon Athena
set 6: PQRDG Dragon eeveeto

 

[AthenaStrive9]

If one Pokemon, or more than two stones, get enough votes to get multiple winning sets, especially if they are for two different sets, I will prioritize whichever set gets the most overall votes. I will then disqualify the other set, and give the following placement the win.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. Disqualifying 2nd place only to give the win to 3rd place because of an arbitrary rule where we don't want more than 2 of each stone feels flat out wrong and against the spirit of voting. I'd say if voting results in a stone getting in more than 2 times, then so be it. The custom stones for set 6 would even be fine if there was overlap. For example, if both Drag0n's and my Audinite submissions got in, you could split the stone into Audinite X and Audinite Y. As for Pokémon, that makes sense for only allowing one in rather than multiple. Stones though? Let more than 2 in if it comes to that.

 

[Eeveeto]

Set 1: PileOfTrubbish, Reeonthestreet, Mimik909
Set 2: RetroSquad, Yvonneon, AthenaStrive9
Set 3: Snaquaza, Eeveeto, eggdude
Set 4: AthenaStrive9, Eeveeto, Lysion
Set 5: Lysion, G-Luke, flareth13
Set 6: Snaquaza, Eeveeto, RetroSquad

 

[flareth13]

Set 1: PQRDG, Drag0n, flareth13 (sv)
Set 2: G-Luke, flareth13 (sv), blitz_eye
Set 3: G-Luke, Snaquaza, PileofTrubbish
Set 4: Lysion, AthenaStrive, PQRDG
Set 5: G-Luke, Lysion, MafuSimp
Set 6: Retrosquad, PQRDG, Yvonneon

 

[AthenaStrive9]

Set 1: Yvonneon's Incineroar :Incineroar:Drag0n's Tyranitar :Tyranitar:, AthenaStrive9's Kyogre :Kyogre: [sv]
Set 2: Snaquaza's Iron Hands :Iron Hands:, RetroSquad's Empoleon :Empoleon:, AthenaStrive9's Gastrodon :Gastrodon: [sv]
Set 3: eggdude's Primarina :Primarina:, PQRDG's Gyarados :Gyarados:, AthenaStrive9's Milotic :Milotic: [sv]
Set 4: Drag0n's Samurott-Hisui :Samurott-Hisui:, flareth13's Cinderace :Cinderace:, Eeveeto's Cobalion :Cobalion:
Set 5: Reeonthestreet's Iron Bundle :Iron Bundle:, Snaquaza's Lunala :Lunala:, Lysion's Palkia :Palkia:
Set 6: Drag0n's Goodra :Goodra:, Snaquaza's Glimmora :Glimmora:, flareth13's Iron Leaves :Iron Leaves:

 

[eggdude]

Set 1: Mimik909's :porygon2:, AthenaStrive9's :kyogre:, Yvonneon's :incineroar:
Set 2: AthenaStrive9's :gastrodon:, Yvonneon's :cresselia:, PQRDG's :glastrier:
Set 3: Reonthestreet's :slither wing:, MafuSimp's :wo chien:, eggdude's :primarina:(SV)
Set 4: Drag0n's :samurott hisui:, G-Luke's :muk:, eggdude's :forretress: (SV)
Set 5: flareth's :ho oh:, Yvonneon's :zacian:, Snaquaza's :lunala:
Set 6: Lysion's :landorus:, Drag0n's :goodra:, flareth13's :iron leaves:

 

[RetroSquad]

Set 1: Mafusimp's:floatzel:, Mimik909's:porygon2:, PQRDG's:baxcalibur:
Set 2: BlitzEye's:slowking:, eggdude's:tornadus-therian:, RetroSquad's:empoleon: [sv]
Set 3: PQRDG's:gyarados:, Eeveeto's:espeon:, EmiKatana's:shaymin:
Set 4: eggdude's:forretress:, AthenaStrive9's:corviknight:, RetroSquad's:Excadrill:[sv]
Set 5: Snaquaza's:Lunala:, Reonthestreet's:iron bundle:, Yvonneon's :zacian:
Set 6: Drag0n's Goodra:Goodra:, flareth13's:iron leaves:, RetroSquad's:samurott-hisui: [sv]

 

[PQRDG]

My Votes

Set 1: :Toxtricity: (emikatana), :Incineroar: (Yvonneon), :Iron Valiant: (Blitz_eye),

Set 2: :Tentacruel: (flareth13), :glastrier: (PQRDG), :Iron Hands: (Snaquaza)

Set 3: :Rhyperior: (G-Luke), :Wo-Chien: (MafuSimp), :Slither Wing: (Reonthestreet)

Set 4: :Scyther: (Snaquaza), :Corviknight: (AthenaStrive9), :Iron Treads: (Lysion)

Set 5: :Sandy Shocks: (Eeveeto), :slaking: (PQRDG), :Lunala: (Snaquaza)

Set 6: :Iron Leaves: (flareth13), :milotic: (PQRDG), :Glimmora: (Snaquaza)

You all have about 26 hours to vote. We have a lot of subs, so I want to see everyone's responses.

Blitz_eye Drag0n emikatana PileOfTrubbish Reeonthestreet Snaquaza (also Mimik909 if they have an account or if someone it selected to submit the votes on their behalf)

Reminder that you do not need to have submitted something to vote here. If you are someone who has enjoyed the ladder and wants to make their opinions heard on what gets added, feel free to vote before this slate closes.

 

[Mimik909]

Guess who made an account?

Set 1: PileOfTrubbish’s Raikou, Blitz_eye's Iron Valiant, Mimik909’s Porygon 2 (sv)

Set 2: PQRDG’s Glastier, G-Luke’s Primarina, flareth13’s Tentacruel

Set 3: Snaquaza’s Bronzong, Eeveeto’s Espeon, flareth13’s Volcanion

Set 4: RetroSquad’s Excadrill, G-Luke’s Muk, Reeonthestreet’s Glimmora

Set 5: RetroSquad’s Mewtwo, Mimik909’s Iron Treads (sv), Drag0n’s Calyrex

Set 6: PileOfTrubbish Venasaur, eggdude’s Armarouge, Mimik909’s Milotic (sv)