Thanks to everyone for the feedback; i'm now gonna do a short run-through of some shit i need to clarify:
In general, I like this idea.
Good.
We have talked about running concurrent projects before. I like that if we had multiple projects that filled two different purposes, it would make it easier to distinguish. Obviously, there are a lot of people interested in new evolutions. Based on the activity level on this project, I think we probably have enough participation to sustain two projects at one time. We had multiple qualified candidates for TL and we regularly have to drop good art submissions and sprites.
I'm not sure about the mission statement for an evolution project. Do we just acknowledge that it's a fan effort and not try to make it balance the metagame? If we did that, it would make an even clearer distinction from the new pokemon projects. We would have one "serious" project, and one "fun" project. I can see the appeal of something like that.
You can, but the evolution project isn't totally fun...Per se. It would be working on the CAP Mission of balancing the metagame, but instead of making stuff outta thin air, we would have a guideline to adhere to, and is would be more working on making more alternatives for a role. EG:
Current best choice for Normal/Flying: Staraptor(? Forgot name -_-)
Second best choice: Swellow
Thing everyone wants to see be the best choice (:p): Farfeched
If we overhaul Swellow or Farfeched enough, we have more alternatives for a role, and not just that one. Sure, you can use Swellow and Farfeched now, but they just arn't competitivly viable. If we make more competitivly viable options, then we don't end up with the same OU over and over again. If we differentiate all of these upgraded pokemon enough, then it makes the metagame have more flavour because you cannot just say this:
RMT:
(Generic dragon type physical sweeper)
(Generic Dragon counter)
(Generic OU Special wall)
(Generic OU Physical wall)
(Generic Levitating psychic)
(Generic Special sweeper)
If everything was made just that little bit different when we overhauled it, we could try and stop this "Pack 6 ou into a team and watch it win =DD" Buisness, as you couldn't do 6 generic roles, and you couldn't prepair for a generic special wall. Another example:
A pair of Physical/Special walls that arn't mixape weak! =OO
On the other hand, maybe we should make the evolution project hold to the same standard of competitiveness as the new pokemon project? If we do that, we have both projects aligned from a purpose standpoint, which would avoid confusion when moving back-and-forth between projects. Basically, the same conceptual rules would apply equally to both projects.
It's gotta be different enough to the CAP to let a few people's fanboy fly.
I do think a project timeline would need to be developed. An evolution project should take less time overall. I agree with Dane that the projects should be staggered so as to not overlap on any of the art or spriting threads.
Agreed: Will fix up.
Also, the project would need to have a TL selected, just like the regular project. Just because Aki posted the idea here, would not mean he is named the TL by acclimation.
It would be good ;p I'm actually not sure if i'm ready for the job...Yet. I've got a few ideas for the quick(er) Development in the CAP which still need some refining before i can show them to the community.
I am worried this will be perceived as purely a fanboy effort. I'm concerned that would hurt the credibility of the entire CAP project, which is something that all of us have worked very hard to establish. If we manage it properly, I think we can "do it right". But, we need to make sure we plan it properly before jumping in.
Knuckle down. IF it is percived as something, then let people percive it. They have to see for themselves what it is about.
I'm interested to hear what others have to say on this.
For the EaP Project (so as to differentiate it in thread titles), it should have the following fall into each catagory:
Competitive:
Stat increases
Movepool changes
Ability Changes
Secondary Type Changes
Fan:
Art
Pokemon chosen to evolve
This way, the "fanboys" can create their evolved Pokemon by assisting in choosing the art and the Pokemon evolved. As I stated previously though, the Pokemon chosen to evolve will need reasons to back it up, otherwise we leave ourselves open to alternate Charizards, alternate Pikachus, etc etc.
Everything posted will need reasoning behind it, except for the first typing poll. you may post reasoning for that, but it's not required. From then in, any votes without sufficiant reasoning (In the TL's opinion) Will NOT Be counted.
Then, the competitive battlers can have a usable Pokemon by assisting in the movepool, abilities, secondary typing changes, and stats. Since these are the important aspects of competitive battling, it would still be serious, but can be fun too.
Exactly my point.
I like this idea a lot, but I think you're polling order needs reworking quite seriously I have edited in all the changes I propose.
Right.
Also I have changed the "part X: poll X" bit to the EaP X:part 1 a/b/c: <what we are polling> format.
EaP X: Part 1: Topic Leader Discussion
Chose topic leader, same format as CaP.
This should be in a different thread alltogether: It's not really a part of the "Project" for the public, per se.
EaP X: Part 2a: Pokemon Poll
Pick a Pokemon for us to evolve, give explanations for choice. (Bold vote.)
Yes, but we really should pick a typing first, otherwise we end up with every single pokemon in UU/NU with 1 vote =s
EaP X: Part 2b: Pokemon Poll
Pick a Pokemon for us to evolve, only the top 2-4 (depending on how close Part 2a was, TL's choice) Pokemon from Part 2a are options, OP should have quotes of arguments for each Pokemon. (Bold vote.)
It shouldn't be the TL's choice. if there was a tie for 4th place, then all options should be edited in.
EaP X: Part 3: Typing Poll
Pick a typing for the new Evolution, options on the poll should be any that where suggested in previous polls. (Thread poll)
Begin discussing Base Stat spreads, Movepool additions and possible Ability changes.
There should be a seperate thread for all discussions, otherwise we end up with CAP 3 part 2: Typing syndrome.
EaP X: Art thread
Open the art thread now. Submissions are taken for art of the evo, based on Typing and pre-existing game art.
For drawing, i hope (jk)
EaP X: Part 4a: Base stat Discussion
Continue discussing the Base stats, Movepool adjustments and Ability changes needed to bring that Pokemon into the light of day.
Base Stat spreads should be submitted here.
Again, seperate threads for discussion.
EaP X: Part 4b: Base stat spread poll
5-8 options submitted by chosen individuals or ones that lots of people in the last thread liked. (Thread Poll)
If the result is close do a Part 4c with the top 2-3 options.
Movepools should be submitted here.
no submissions per se =\
EaP X: Part 5a: Art poll
The most popular art submissions from the art thread are polled. (Thread poll)
Add in a Part 5b if the results are close.
yup.
EaP X: Sprite Thread: Open this now; sprite submissions for the official art are taken.
I think it's too soon, but bleh.
EaP X: Part 6a: Movepool Poll
Vote on movepools; put the most popular 3 from the last threads on the poll. (Thread Poll)
If there are disagreements about a few particular moves poll them (by bold text voting) in a Part 6b.
Discuss Ability changes.
Again, everything in seperate threads. Really eric =p
EaP X: Part 7: Ability Poll
The most popular ability changes from the previous polls, one option should be leaving them as they are. (Thread poll)
Add in a Part 7b if it's close.
Good.
EaP X: Part 8: Sprite Poll
Sprite submissions are voted on. (Thread poll)
Good.
EaP X: Part 8: Finishing Touches
Discuss and vote on (by bold text) the final details like height and weight.
Good.
Return to Part 1
Polls should be added if the results of any vote are close, they should be subtracted only if there is a VERY clear winner in the previous thread.
Has any Pokemon ever changed egg groups when evolving? Also adding egg moves to existing Pokemon is kinda against the CaP idea, though it could be done.
It is, but like you said it could be done for balance issues. I'm not sure about evolving and changing egg groups, but i know that it makes sense for some things (Shroomish plant, Breloom Plant/humanshape IMO)
New overhall of the hypothetical EAP:
EAP X Prelude: Team leader discussion.
Team leaders candidates put forward their reasoning why they should be picked for TL. Senior/Involved/Well known members within the CAP Minicommunity will only be voting on this poll. More of a discussion of the TL, Candidates are encouraged to put foward notions to the other candidates, which are also encouraged to rebut.
EAP X Part 1: Typing vote
Out of the 17 typings that make up Pokemon, you make a Bold vote on which typing you support. Reasoning is not required, however it would be worth your while to make it so a to draw other people to your "Cause"
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 2: Pokemon vote
The typing that won the previous part will be drawn up, and every member of that typing from (BL?) UU Down will be drawn up. Bold vote, reasoning not quite neccecary, but up to TL's discression.
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 2a: Overflow voting
Overflow poll from part 2 if required.
1-2 days, votes are not counted after 24-48 hours of the first post. ( as required)
EAP X Part 3: Typing poll
Bold vote, pick the secondary typing of the pokemon that needs to be evolved. Reasoning is essential, and this stops the "me wantz pikablu lolol" Shit. Reasoning is decided at the TL's discression, but may be overruled if the voter can convince the TL otherwise.
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 4: Discussion of Movepool, Ability, Base stats
Movepool, Ability and Base stats are discussed as to what will be needed to make the pokemon OU Worthy and useable. Absolute reasoning will be needed behind any submission, and you will need to draw up somthing along the lines of:
Base stat spread:
BST:
Movepool(Attacking):
Movepool:(Defending):
Movepool(Support):
Ability:
This will be run at the same time as
EAP X Part 5: Art submissions
This thread takes art submissions, and both part 4 and 5 work off eachother. They are posted at the same time, and have a time limit of
7 days, votes are not counted after 168 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 6: Art poll
Everything submitted in part 5 is taken and polled here in a thread poll. Reasoning would be good, but not required (Public poll, thread poll)
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 7: Ability, BST and Movepool.
Based on the official art, the most popular Submissions from part 4 are drawn up and voted on. (Public poll, Thread poll)
5 days, votes are not counted after 120 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 7a: Small changes
Once we have a template to work with, small changes can be made. Things are brought up in this part
2 days.
EAP X Part 7b: Small Changes
And Voted in this one. (Public Poll, thread poll)
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 8: Sprite submissions
Sprite submissions are taken in this part.
7 days, votes are not counted after 168 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 9: Sprite Poll
Sprites are voted on. (Thread poll, public poll)
2 days, votes are not counted after 48 hours of the first post.
EAP X Part 10: Finishing touches
Dex entries are discussed based on Movepool and art; Weight and Height also discussed
EAP X Part 10a: Dex + H/W Polls (Bold vote, reasoning essential)
Bold vote of part 10.
EAP X Part 11: Finishing thoughts and closure.
What it says in the title.
What do people think?
