I had a nice little giggle when going through the last 4 pages.
Here's a little recap, all the way from the beginning of this topic, literally the #4 post in this thread.
536-545
115 HP / 75 Atk / 102 Def / 106 SpA / 83 SpD / 60 Spe
I outlined why I choose this spread in that last thread, but I'll make a few summary points:
1.) High HP is necessary for maximizing efficiency on the defenses if we want it to be mixed defensively.
2.) Special Attack > Attack was voted on by the community
3.) It's a pretty unique spread, though anything with this much bulk and special attack NEEDS LOWER SPEED otherwise it could very well end up broken with its offensive STAB.
I liked the slightly off topic conversation we had going in the last thread about possible Stall type abilities for this Pokemon, and I would like to continue it a bit here.
I'm still 100% supporting Karrot's idea of Pressure, though Flame Body or Battle Armor (basing this off of a few designs) all are possible as well.
I had
115 HP / 74 Atk / 102 Def / 106 SpA / 83 SpD / 60 Spe (the reason I have 74 Atk instead of 75 was because I realized an error and changed it a few posts after that...I just never bothered to edit it in) in #4.
Now, I'm just going through...and I see:
tennisace0227 said:
is it too late to post a spread, because i was almost done with mine yesterday but my computer crashed. since im on my wii right now ill post my reasoning if chosen. the spread: 115/69/100/101/94/66=545. sorry if its too late everyone.
And:
Mekkah said:
120 / 65 / 106 / 90 / 95 / 60 is my new end result, with a BST of 536, the bare minimum. I'm not tempted at all to use my other points anywhere, I've reached my goal: a very bulky Grass / Fire type with only average Special Attack, to make it not a heavy sweeper, but rather a tank that not only walls sweepers, but also beats out other tanks. I think that alone is very potent. Its HP is up there with Cresselia with lighter defenses (as well as the Stealth Rock weak) to keep it from being gamebreakingly hard to ram.
And:
Lord Gloom said:
Here's my spread.
105/72/95/115/79/70
OTHER JUNK:
Tankiness: 2309.6392857142857142857142857143
Sweepiness: 192.52776066269596768672554254809
Speed Factor: .55
Rating: 445.83 (Good)
And:
Aki said:
110 / 70 / 120 / 100 / 100 / 45
Hmmm, well before I comment, let's do a basic statistical check...
tennisace0227's spread of
115/69/100/101/94/66- This gives a final number of 569. From my post regarding the 5 Pokemon in the "Very Good" list who made use of both their STABs, the highest was Togekiss at 538. Is it wise to shatter this ceiling by over 30 points? You tell me. This is 538 at 545 BST.
mekkah's spread of
120 / 65 / 106 / 90 / 95 / 60- This gives a final number of 520. I think this is acceptable. 520 at 536 BST.
LordGloom's spread of
105/72/95/115/79/70- LordGloom claims that this gives a number of 446, but I have now done it three times and I get 531 everytime. I am getting a 229 for your sweepiness factor...are you remember to add 18 to each stat? 531 at 536 BST.
Aki's spread of
110 / 70 / 120 / 100 / 100 / 45- I'm going to go ahead and say that this can't work because we voted medium for Speed and the absolute lowest that is possible at that range is 60.
115 HP / 74 Atk / 102 Def / 106 SpA / 83 SpD / 60 Spe
That is my spread again...and there seems to be a common theme here...Instead of people submitting spreads that are literally just tweaks of one submitted previously, why don't you guys just work on what is already there?
Btw, my spread gives a number of 528 at 540 BST. Were I to drop 74 Atk to 70 Atk, that number would become 519.
Seriously guys, what is the point of cluttering up this topic with spreads that are so incredibly similar to one that is already submitted?
Btw, about the 60 base Speed point...if we are are going to make this bulky (yes, since the community has decided so), and if we are going to make this good at special attacks (yes, because the community has decided so), then we sure as hell better limit this Speed. I don't know who said that CBTar runs 196 speed...but I have never seen this. It is either max Speed or 0 Speed in favor of 252 HP. Tar can't switch into this, but it sure as hell is a good check against it.
Putting at 60 base Speed ensures that check, and also ensures that this thing will have to invest a significant amount of Speed EVs in order to outspeed minimum Speed Togekiss (80 base Speed).
60 base Speed is the way to go, guys.
EDIT: Also...lol @ the no Grass Knot suggestion...Um what? That is so arbitrary haha.