wobuffet? lets discuss counters

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phalanx

we have a thread about garhcomp and countering so lets discuss countering the lame blob, from what i have seen it kills its counters and requires a ridiculous amount of prediction which when predicted wrong can stop a set up i have read the thread about keeping the game skillful and wonder how a game can be skillful and still incorporate wobby as every skillful set up i have had has lead to either predicting counter/mirror coat trying for a booster (to do the OHKO) and ending up encored or trying to predict encore and ending up losing a skillful set up in one go. here are what i see as counters
ninjask
yanmega
gengar
porygon-z
these are from the top of my head and run super effective attacks but the problem is none of the above can really run mix and as a result can easily be killed by counter/mirror coat, and what if i end up encored then trapped by a switch to dugtrio and end up losing a poke because i cant use any sort of skill?
i have used wobbuffet myself in mono psychic and have found that it can even kill mix by running destiny bond as well.
so lets discuss ways of smashing the purple blob, without resorting to explode (which it probably would survive anyway from what its survived when I fought it).
also wobbufet cant switch in on anything like gengar, porygon-z etc but it can come in on a key pokemon and remove it from the game, so what situaton, other then U-turn and baton pass (which doesnt really help in the case of baton pass as something else comes in and ends up in the same boat.)
 
Remember, a counter is something that can switch in on Wobbuffet and pose a threat to it. Nothing is a cunter to it because nothing can switch in on it.
 
Uh, Wobbufett has no counters by definition.

There are great revenge killers, per se. Dugtrio will kill off a weakened one. Taunt Spiritomb can just do whatever the hell it wants to him. Houndoom can Dark Pulse it all day. Tyranitar eats it alive in one hit. Heracross does too.

The thing is, Wobbuffet is not as much of a threat like Garchomp is. Why? Teams that run it have to give up a whole slot on their team just for the opportunity to get a turn of set up. Granted, on a team centered around Belly Drum Linoone or Charizard it's a great idea, but for most teams other support makes more sense. Still, it's annoying as hell and in the right hands can be deadly.
 
Really, we already had a thread about this stuff a couple of weeks back.

A little punctuation, spacing etc. would really help.

You should really work on the "quality over quantity" principle, its like you've been spamming discussion threads since you arrived. None of them are really high quality.

And on topic, nothing can come in on Wobuffet, therefore nothing can counter it. Its all entirely dependent on the situation. If you really hate Wobuffet so much, setting passive damage is a good idea, giving it less chances to do its thing.

Like Chris said, it all depends on how well the player utilises his Wobuffet.
 
well the thing is wobby can also be a key poke to a team to remove big threats easily, having fought it in a few situtaions (even walled one with a pure BP team just using toxic and BP), however i feel with it being allowed in OU for a while there may be sure fire ways to remove the threat of wobbuffet
 
You can have pokemon that are "sure fire" ways to kill wobuffet, but unless every single member of your team is packing U-turn/BP/Shed Shell, you're not going to get it out until whatever wobuffet is trapping either kills, gets killed or forces wobbuffet to switch.

We're all aware that wobbuffet can be used to remove powerful threats using countercoat. That's one of its primary functions. It's like saying Tyrannitar can be a key poke to set up sandstorm. It's just what it does.
 
U turn teams r great for anti-Wobbafett:

Ambipom/Crobat Lead- U-turn
Staraptor - CBAND U-turn
Jirachi: WishTurn
Celebi: SeedTurn
Flygon: Choice Scarf Uturn
Infernape: LOrb + U-turn
 
Resist said:
U turn teams r great for anti-Wobbafett:

Ambipom/Crobat Lead- U-turn
Staraptor - CBAND U-turn
Jirachi: WishTurn
Celebi: SeedTurn
Flygon: Choice Scarf Uturn
Infernape: LOrb + U-turn
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And then Wobbuffet uses Counter, and your switch ins are suddenly dead :| Of course you can always have a ghost in your team but I doubt it.

Also note that Celebi won't be "Seed turning", it'll likely just get Leech Seed Encored.

How are Staraptor and Flygon supposed to be U Turning, since they'd be locked into an attack with Choice Items? Wobby switches in some other attack, and it's dead, unless Wobby switches in on a U Turn (Something Wobby won't be doing anyway :|)

Seriously do you know how this game works at all? Have you ever battled? The only thing your posts are telling me is that you have zero clue how this game works but enjoy spouting your ignorant opinion anyway.
 
gmax said:
Really, we already had a thread about this stuff a couple of weeks back.

A little punctuation, spacing etc. would really help.

You should really work on the "quality over quantity" principle, its like you've been spamming discussion threads since you arrived. None of them are really high quality.

And on topic, nothing can come in on Wobuffet, therefore nothing can counter it. Its all entirely dependent on the situation. If you really hate Wobuffet so much, setting passive damage is a good idea, giving it less chances to do its thing.
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I concur.
 
Aipom said:
I'm thinking about Dusknoir.
It can hit with physical attacks, and can't get hit by counter.
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And will only end up fighting Wobba if the other player is a complete idiot. They'd have to SWITCH him into Dusknoir. That's like somebody switching a Suicune into a Shedinja.
 
You counter Wobbuffet by countering whatever they're using it to set up. (have a SD lucario counter, rocks or a phaser to make bellyzard useless, and something that walls linoone).
 
...phalanx, no offense, but every post of yours that I've read is way too incoherent. Seriously, learn how to use capital letters, commas, and other punctuation marks in your posts, because it's beginning to become a struggle to read your posts at all and to actually take you seriously when you make posts like that. Also, please, PLEASE do your spacing correctly, that OP that you made is terrible. Come on, we take grammar pretty seriously at smogon, and when it's obvious that you're not even trying and just being lazy with your grammar, you're going to get in trouble, and in addition, nobody's going to read your posts.

Secondly, none of those pokemon you posted are counters at all. If they can't switch in, they're not counters. Nothing can switch into Wobbuffet because of Shadow Tag, therefore he's not counterable, simple as that.
 
ohhoh man!!! not another wobby counters thread!!! it was already discussed weeks ago, as many posts above mentioned you cant counter it if you cant switch out, the only way is shed shell, uturn or batton pass in every pokemon and that is overcentralizing.
 
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