An unforeseen terror

swordmaster789

I've been battling on shoddy for a while now, but this is my first RMT. My team may be entirely constructed out of BL or UU pokemon, but this team, in all seriousness, is meant for OU. Constructive criticism would be helpful. :D

Here it is:

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Rotom @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 sp. atk/ 252 spd/ 6 HP
Ability: Levitate

- Shadow Ball
- Will-o-wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Trick

Replacing Drifblim, Rotom seems to be a safer starter. It can still will-o-wisp, but double stab allows it to take on gyarados, togekiss, non-scarf/sash gengar, and more. Will-o-wisp also allows it to cripple garchomp if predicted properly. Trick is to take care of walls my team may have trouble with, like Bliss.

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Steelix @ leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp/ 252 atk/ 6 sp. def
Ability: Sturdy

- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball/ Ice fang
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

Steelix is a standard on nearly all my teams, and he's virtually irreplacable.
He's the physical wall on my team (obviously), and the water bird covers all his weaknesses. Also my pseudo-hazer. It's not really meant to take special attacks, kecleon's there for that.

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Hitmontop @ leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 hp/ 252 atk/ 6 def
Ability: Technician

- Mach Punch
- Fake Out
- Endeavor
- Stone Edge

Hitmontop is the reason why most of my team can afford being slow. Fake Out provides some free damage, and mach punch destroys many faster that have been slightly weakened. It doesn't have rapid spin, since most of my pokes can handle stealth rocks. Sweeper killer. Endeavor helps it take care of walls.

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Slaking @ Choice Band
Nature: Naughty
EVs: 252 atk/ 252 spd/ 6 sp. atk
Ability: Traunt

- Return
- Earthquake
- Fire blast
- Pursuit

Absolutely destroys most things with it's enormous attack stat. It can switch in on many things, with that base 100 defense, but it can also serve as a decent revenge killer. Not much to explain here, just attack, and switch out.


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Nidoking @ Expert Belt
Nature: Timid
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 sp. atk/ 252 spd
Ability: Poison Point

- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Earth power
- Toxic Spikes

Another wall killer, it can take care of steels and gyarados(if it switches in on a taunt). Toxic spikes is the last guard in my team against persistant walls, and it absorbs toxic spikes.

And finally:

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Pelipper @ leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/ 126 def/ 126 sp. atk
Ability: Keen Eye

- U-turn
- Roost
- Air Slash
- Surf/knock off/Ice Beam

I find pelipper more useful then gyrados is many situations. Roost, u-turn, and access to one of the best double stabs (imo), makes pelipper a beast. Walls many pokes, including many fighting types lacking thunder punch, and fire types that threaten steelix. If toxic spikes are in play, it can take care of some bulky waters too.


Threat List: (underline = no real counter)

Tyranitar- Hitmontop and steelix can both switch in on stone edge, take very little damage from earthquake.
Gyarados- Rotom.
Infernape- If no thunderpunch, Pelipper can take it on easily.
Azelf- Rotom, if it comes in on a nasty plot or unboosted flamethrower.
Electivire- Steelix walls it with ease.
Heracross- Nidoking...
Salamence- Slaking, if swithing in on a physical attack.
Togekiss- Rotom
Gengar- Rotom, switch in on focus blast.
Garchomp- Slaking has the best chance.
Lucario- Hitmontop + Mach punch, before it can stat-up for a first
Starmie- No counter.
Weavile- Steelix & hitmontop.
Dugtrio- Threatens nothing but nidoking.
PorygonZ- Rotom.
Machamp- If guts, pelipper. If No Guard, Rotom.
Snorlax- Rotom, in most cases, with trick.
Zapdos- Steelix can roar it out.
Suicune- Rotom can either trick, or thunderbolt.
Breloom- Would sleep any of my slower pokes, but nidoking and rotom handle it easily.
Ninjask- Steelix for sure.
Metagross- Steelix.
Heatran- Pelipper.
Celebi- Partially weaken with pelipper + u-turn, and finish off with slaking.
Jirachi- Steelix.
Dragonite- Slaking is my best bet if it's physical. If it's special... ...
Mamoswine- Pelipper.
Gallade- Pelipper, if it doesn't have thunder punch.
Yanmega- Rotom.
Kingdra- Pelipper could stall until rain is over, I suppose. Dragon dance versions don't pose much of a threat.
Roserade- After it sleeps something slow, rotom.
Scizor- Steelix.

Changes Made:

- Drifblim --> Rotom.
- Hitmontop earthquake --> Endeavor
- Kecleon --> Slaking.

Summary:

Overall, I don't see any glaring weaknesses in my team except in terms of sleep, which Drifblim could sacrifice itself to absorb, I suppose. The dragons could also hurt my team if I don't predict well enough. Anyway, that's all, feel free to post any suggestions or helpful criticism. And thanks for taking the time to check out my team. :D
 
Looks like a pretty good team, but I'm not sure how it will compete against OU teams. You have no counter to Salamence and Garchomp, two of the most overused pokemon...ever. I really, really don't like Steelix. He has a lot of weaknesses, and they're all pretty common. What do you think about replacing Steelix with a Swampert with Ice Beam?

A minor issue: Why not replace Earthquake on Hitmontop with Bullet Punch? Your Hitmontop doesn't have the speed to abuse moves that don't have priority, and this would give you another way to get Gengar.
 
Gotta respect battlers with the balls to use BL/UU pokes =D

Anyway, if your worried about fast sleepers ruining Drifblim's status party, why not use lum berry? Granted, most Gengar's will just Shadow Ball, but if you can come in on a sleep/status move later, all the sudden you have a fast status+explosion monster--I do however recommend at least 1 attack on that blimp over a status move.

Loras, he is using BL/UU pokes only, so I doubt he will take that suggestion to put Swampert on seriously. She is right about that Garchomp/luke weak though--I know Swampy isn't UU/BL, but Quagsire is =D

Also, if your looking for a "wall-killer" set for Nidoking, I recommend a look at Yagami Light's invention "Crushking" because at the moment, that set isn't really going to break special walls. You can probably find the thread via the search function.

Take my suggestions with a grain of salt, as I have never truly tried to make a UU/BL team myself. Best of luck!
 
Loras said:
Looks like a pretty good team, but I'm not sure how it will compete against OU teams. You have no counter to Salamence and Garchomp, two of the most overused pokemon...ever. I really, really don't like Steelix. He has a lot of weaknesses, and they're all pretty common. What do you think about replacing Steelix with a Swampert with Ice Beam?

A minor issue: Why not replace Earthquake on Hitmontop with Bullet Punch? Your Hitmontop doesn't have the speed to abuse moves that don't have priority, and this would give you another way to get Gengar.
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Steelix is a must-have on my team, I need that defense. :P It may have notable weaknesses, but it can take most of those hits if they're physical anyway. If not, well, I'll switch to pelipper. I do need to counter the dragons, but steelix is sorta vital to my team.

And yeah, orignally, I had bullet punch on Hitmontop, but I replaced it with earthquake to give it some more killer power. After all, it's pretty sturdy. Bullet punch also only helps against some pokes, mostly ghosts, who kecleon can take out anyway. I have considered bullet punch though.

Edit: Oh, and Dormin, some of the pokes I'm using are simply favorites; not using them simply for their UU/BL status, but thx for noticing anyway... :P The reason I don't want swampert is because I like steelix better, not because it's OU. And lum berry on drifblim might work.
 
Anyway, if your worried about fast sleepers ruining Drifblim's status party, why not use lum berry?
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Agreed. Swordmaster, you should definitely use Lum Berry instead.

Loras, he is using BL/UU pokes only, so I doubt he will take that suggestion to put Swampert on seriously. She is right about that Garchomp/luke weak though--I know Swampy isn't UU/BL, but Quagsire is =D
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I didn't think it was a UU/BL team, I thought this was just what swordmaster thought was best and what he liked most.

Steelix is a must-have on my team, I need that defense. :P It may have notable weaknesses, but it can take most of those hits if they're physical anyway. If not, well, I'll switch to pelipper. I do need to counter the dragons, but steelix is sorta vital to my team.
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I still say Swampert would be awesome. He may not be able to tank physical hits quite as well as Steelix, but he's still a good physical wall. His weaknesses are much more manageable and he can deal with special hits as well.

And yeah, orignally, I had bullet punch on Hitmontop, but I replaced it with earthquake to give it some more killer power. After all, it's pretty sturdy. Bullet punch also only helps against some pokes, mostly ghosts, who kecleon can take out anyway. I have considered bullet punch though.
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I would never call Hitmontop sturdy. He's too slow to use earthquake, and a lot of the pokemon that are weak to it will move first against Hitmontop anyways. It's never bad to have a back up plan.
 
Oh ok then, sorry Loras. Definitely suggest Swampy/Quagsire over Steelix or something else if you can't part with him. Garchomp and crew are too big of a weakness to ignore.

I really urge you to check out Light's Crushking--it fits the role you are going for with Nidoking a lot better than the set you have now.
 
Loras said:
I still say Swampert would be awesome. He may not be able to tank physical hits quite as well as Steelix, but he's still a good physical wall. His weaknesses are much more manageable and he can deal with special hits as well.

I would never call Hitmontop sturdy. He's too slow to use earthquake, and a lot of the pokemon that are weak to it will move first against Hitmontop anyways. It's never bad to have a back up plan.
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I'll think about Swampert; it's just that it doens't really counter the dragons much better than steelix, and at least steelix resists stuff like dragon attacks.

And mach punch is a back-up plan already, right?

*not trying to counter every thing you say, just looking at all the possibilities*
 
Nidoking Thunderbolt is a 3HKO on the Nasty Plot Togekiss set, meaning Nidoking has nearly zero chance of beating Togekiss. Togekiss can also 6-0 your entire team without thinking about it. i would just lead with Choice Scarf Rotom or something, who can really cripple leads like Gyara and Bronzong and beat non Scarf/Sash Gengar leads, and can do the "Will O Wisp/TWave" thing as well, so yeah I would definitely use Rotom over Driftblim
 
I'll think about Swampert; it's just that it doens't really counter the dragons much better than steelix, and at least steelix resists stuff like dragon attacks.
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MixedMence and SpecsMence will kill Steelix np. Garchomp will be stalled for a little bit against Steelix, but he'll break through and likely get a SD in the process. If he has a Salac Berry, just call it gg right there.

And mach punch is a back-up plan already, right?
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Not against ghost types. Also, why do you have Leftovers on Hitmontop? Like I said before, he's not sturdy. Go with Life Orb instead.
 
Tangerine said:
Nidoking Thunderbolt is a 3HKO on the Nasty Plot Togekiss set, meaning Nidoking has nearly zero chance of beating Togekiss. Togekiss can also 6-0 your entire team without thinking about it. i would just lead with Choice Scarf Rotom or something, who can really cripple leads like Gyara and Bronzong and beat non Scarf/Sash Gengar leads, and can do the "Will O Wisp/TWave" thing as well, so yeah I would definitely use Rotom over Driftblim
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Hmm, Rotom... it may not be able to explode, but it does seem very fitting. Double stab... and it learns trick... combined with choice scarf.. and it's a virtual replacement of both kecleon and drifblim with this moveset: (:O)

- Thunderbolt/Discharge
- Shadow Ball
- Trick
- Will-o-wisp

I'll find another special wall to replace Kecleon if I use this set, preferably something with a ghost/dark resistance.

Rotom seems like a good idea, thx.
 
swordmaster789 said:
I'll think about Swampert; it's just that it doens't really counter the dragons much better than steelix, and at least steelix resists stuff like dragon attacks.

And mach punch is a back-up plan already, right?

*not trying to counter every thing you say, just looking at all the possibilities*
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If you're thinking of swampert, think of gastrodon first. It's UU (wich fits your team) and gets recover. It also doesn't fear dragons with a stronger icebeam.
 
milotic111 said:
If you're thinking of swampert, think of gastrodon first. It's UU (wich fits your team) and gets recover. It also doesn't fear dragons with a stronger icebeam.
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Well, it only gets 7 more base sp. atk than Swampert (92 to 85) and it has lower defenses. And I'm not using UU's simply for the sake of using UU's. "Coolness" factors in as well. :P

Anyway, I swapped around a poke or two now. I don't think Nidoking serves much of a purpose now. Any suggestions for what to replace Nidoking with? And comments on what I have now?

*Slaking sorta counters the dragons, but special attackers somewhat destroy my team, like Azelf*
 
First off, props for going UU. My concern for this team is Steelix; You're going to want him alive. I noticed a suggestion of Gastrodon, which would indeed compliment your team, but why not Quagsire? It makes a sturdy defensive Pokr, but also has that nifty ability, Water Absorb. Look into it and good luck!
 
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