A tourney team.

P_L

This is my double battle team for an upcoming tournament. DOUBLE BATTLE.
One rule for sure is. No same items on one pokemon. Used for POKEMON SHOWDOWN.


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Salamence@ Focus Sash
Adamant
6hp/252atk/252speed
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang/Fire Blast
Earthquake

Well, this guy contributes the bunch to this team. For sure gets in one Dragon Dance with Follow me on Clefable. Earthquake for sweep in Double battle. Also benefits due to the protects and resists to it on my side. Good addition.

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Clefable@ Leftovers
Bold
200hp/252def/6spatk/52spdef (anyone know a better spread?)
Wish have 1 def ev have 7 spdef ev
Ice Beam
Protect
Follow Me

My follow me tank for Rhyperior. Protect is for after wish a safe heal and to protect from the double battle's Earthquake from rhyperior. need suggestions on a better EV spread.

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Swellow@ Flame Orb
Jolly
6hp/252atk/252speed
Facade
Brave Bird
Protect
U-Turn

This bird is a fasty guy. Gets Ambipom out of the way due to one Guts Facade to ambipom can ko it. So no threats there. Actually. It outspeeds most things in general. Nice addition. Also benifits to my team due to not being effected by rhyperior's earthquake.

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Gengar@ Wide Lens
Hasty
58atk/200spatk/252speed
Shadow Ball
Hypnosis
Explosion/Thunderbolt
Focus Punch

Yay for Mixgar. Focus punch is for those tough Normal/Steels/Ice creatures out there. Hypnosis can free up a focus punch as well. Explosion might be for possible protects from other pokemon such as Swellow or Clefable.




Rate my team. I really need honest and thought through opinions! PLEASE! AND THANK YOU!
 
Hmm, one think I noticed was that you could add a little more doubles combos. For example, Hypnosis wouldn't work too well in doubles, since the chances of Gengar getting hit by the not-sleeping poke are fairly high, so focus punch might not work.

I like the explosion and protect strategy, but if swellow and gengar are gonna pair up, why not give gengar will-o-wisp instead of hypnosis? You could give swellow something else, like a muscle band(every bit counts...) , and gengar could burn swellow himself.

Last food for thought is that rhyperior will still get hit by surfs, even if Clefable does Me-first. (as far as I can recall)
 
Sword is right he will still get hit, My suggestion is getting rid of ryperioir unless you want to use him as a eletricrod with swellow or something?
 
Yes, i was indeed thinking of Subbing him out for Breloom. I also just learned that this was only a 4 on 4 battle. So i have to choose 4 of these pokes for a team.
 
Bullet Punch, Crunch, Close Combat. That Lucario set is going to give you a lot of trouble, especially when the only other reliable counter you have to it is Salamence, but without a recovery move, it'll have some trouble after a couple of switch-ins.

If there's something you can do to fix this problem without changing your team too much, then you could always use a bulkyMence (credits goes to Aldaron of course). The following set is probably the closest Mence to your one (DD but bulkier).

Aldaron said:
name: P. Bulky DD Mence
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Roost
move 3: Dragon Claw / Dragon Rush
move 4: Earthquake
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 224 HP / 12 Atk / 196 Def / 76 Spe
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Another problem your team will come across is the rare, but still common enough, SpecsMence. Its ability to OHKO most of your pokemons. Uxie is your sturdiest so-called 'counter' to it, but still takes a whopping 75% damage at minimum but if you're very unlucky, it'll fall to Stealth Rock (12%) and full power Draco Meteor (89%). Either way, with no reliable recovery move, as well as being slow compared to Salamence, it'll be taken out in 2 hits and not being able to attack it.

I suggest a sturdier wall, like Blissey or Empoleon to deal with SpecsMence. Blissey is definitely your best choice, being the sturdiest special wall, but Empoleon can do fine against SpecsMence, resisting Draco, Dragon Pulse and Hydropump. Sets you should consider are:

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 148 HP, 252 Def, 108 SpD
~ Seismic Toss
~ Ice Beam/Protect
~ Softboiled/Wish
~ Thunderwave/Toxic

148 EVs into HP lets you hit a nice leftover recovery number (i.e. divisble by 1/16 or 0.0625) and Bold with 252 Def EVs is always needed as it literally allows Blissey to take physical attacks two times better. The remaining into SpD so Nasty Plotters/Specs pokemons have a harder time taking you down.

Empoleon @ Shed Shell/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP, 252 SpD, 4 SpA
~ Surf
~ HP: Electric/Grass Knot/Ice Beam
~ Sleep Talk
~ Rest

Essentially a status absorber, just like what your Uxie and Blissey would do. It also allows Empoleon to recover more efficiently, rather than just relying on Leftovers or worse, nothing at all.

Your team's problem isn't over just yet! Swampert likes to come in and wall you. Swellow, Salamence and Rhyperior all gets beaten by Swampert. Gengar isn't very reliable when it comes to taking it down (unless you pack Energy Ball). They fear Swampert and his STAB attacks and/or Ice Beam and definitely wouldn't stand a chance in the long run. Uxie and Clefable are the only one who doesn't fear it, although it is a shame that you can't take it down and the sleep talking set will definitely outstall you.

Celebi is wanted on this team. Being able to KO Swampert easily, as well as having great walling capabilities and can outstall almost any walls is something you should consider having in your team. Also note that as Celebi is a lot better at walling common physical attacks than Clefable is. Consider Celebi with Leech Seed, Recovery, Grass Knot, U-turn/Thunderwave/Stealth Rock.


Band Heracross still poses a great threat to you, whether you leave your team as it is or take some or all of my suggestions. Gliscor can work here but then again, your team would change way too much and I assume you wouldn't like that. No team can counter every pokemon afterall, although just give it a thought.

Good luck with your team.
 
@Junior: Doubles team, man. Doubles team. Ain't nobody walling nobody.

@P_L: Once you cut your team down to four Pokémon, I'll rate it. Also, to avoid confusion like Junior's, please include the fact that a team is for Doubles in the title of your thread next time.
 
I feel sorry for junior who did that long post and didnt realize it was doubles.

Although we got some rating I think I am going to do this in not actually rating the team but deciding which 4 pokemon would be best for you.

1. Gengar. With a lack of sleep clause who are going to want to sleep anything you can. Gengar is almost a neccesity to allow you to cripple most of your opponents team. The follow me clefable can ward off attacks towards him so that means he can sleep more then 1 pokemon which leads me to number 2...

2. Clefable. The typing of gengar + clefable should be very helpful as well as her using follow me. I would give Gengar Explosion since Clefable will run Protect. Clefable would rather have wish so keep that over moonlight. It can help more in double battles with the freedom of having a better chance to get that wish to the pokemon you want it to go to.

So they lead and now we pick clean up. Probably the best combo you have is the Swellow and Rhyperior Combo.

Give Swellow U-Turn as the final move in case you still have gengar or clefable still alive and wanting to wish. The protect flame orb swellow also screws with scarf dark void smeargle which will be spammed. If you use up your u-turn then you might want quick attack for sashers as well as beating that damn fear smeargle / rattata.

The last pokemon would be rhyperior to partner with swellow. Rhyperior will absorb electric attacks and can use life orb. Also this gives you a lack of special attackers I doubt to see many defensive pokemon except blissey which is why the physical attacks help a lot.

as a whole you do have ice and fighting problems which is a good combo run by machamp who I would use in this tourney myself. stalk champ is going to be the best counter to dark void smeargle as well as teams like this. But if you can play smart with swellow and give that final blow with gengar machamp can fall. He wont have much time to live in a doubles enviroment.
 
I would not consider leading off with Follow Me Clefable and Rhyperior because Water-type Pokemon leads could be a problem since Surf hits every Pokemon on the field (exlcuding the user). I don't really like Uxie for this because its only 4 vs 4 consider using Discharge Zapdos and the standard Electivire as a lead.
 
You should be good now, but watch out for Latias and Latios there not allowed to hold the Soul Dew Item, but they can still be threating to your Salamence.
 
KinglerDude24 said:
I feel sorry for junior who did that long post and didnt realize it was doubles.
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For one thing, I deserve that. I need to read through the OP a lot more carefully.

Even so, although walls aren't very common, or otherwise not even used at all, MixPert is still something to look out for for the reasons I stated.

Anyway, how do you deal with Specs Rotom, as SpecsTom can easily take out any of your pokemons while the only one who doesn't really fear it is possibly Salamence. Being easily affected to paralysis isn't something you should be working with though.

I suggest Lum Berry on your Salamence so Paralysis from attacks like Discharge isn't a big deal. Focus Sash isn't very viable as you have a lead with Follow Me.

I would suggest using Focus Blast on a non-substituting Gengar, as without it, pulling off a Focus Punch can prove to be quite difficult (not like it can take a hit anyway).

Final thing is be careful with Gyarados paired with Rhyperior (or in your case, anything at all) as a 'sweeping' form of Gyarados is going to cause you trouble. After a couple of DDs, it's ready to sweep your entire team, while nothing on your side can really scare it off.

This also brings me to one of my points in my earlier post. A grass is needed either way. Threatening Gyarados would help you immensely, but if that weren't enough, scaring off Rhyperior as well. SubDance or Specs Sceptile could always work on this team, with its incredible speed and sheer force with a boost.

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Anyway, sorry for not reading your post carefully. I guess this makes up for that rather fucked up post, eh?
 
i'm no double battle expert but in this tournament, this team will probably get smoked by a scarfed smeargle with dark void. i think you pretty much have to have something that kills it first or a lum berry lead.

is it even possible to cover all threats with just 4 pokes btw? probably not. maybe scarfed smeargle is the answer just because you're always on the offensive.
 
This is why I talked about Clefable with Explogar as the perfect lead for this team. It will totally shut down Smeargle. If you want Salamence that is fine but I think gar would work better.

Its pretty easy, here is how I would do it. First you need gengar to have hypnosis, protect, and explosion and a clefable holding a flame orb, follow me, protect, wish, and ice beam.

Have both protect first turn. Then next turn fable is burned so follow me to get rid of attacks that sleep from gengar. He can hypnosis the threat. Keep doing this so you can sleep their 2 pokemon.
 
That is true. But Clefable needs to regain health if shes taking all the hits. And i know. There are so many threats.
 
Try Marowak +Gyarados

Gyarados: @ Lum Berry

DDance
Protect
Waterfall
Return

Marowak @ Thick Club
Lightening Rod

EQ
Rock Slide
Swagger
Fire Punch


Marowak works like Clefable b/c its ability Lightening Rod helps it absorb Thunderbolt attacks directed at Gyarados.

Marowak also has access to STAB EQ which Gyarados is immune to, and Gyarados, like Salamence has Dragon Dance and Intimidate.

Swagger works on Marowak because it gives Gyarados a +2 Attack boost, don't worry the confusion is cancelled out by Lum berry.

Protect on Gyarados is when you predict Explosion, (and you switch Marowak to Gengar). Gyarados can also use Protect when Marowak dies so that Gengar can kill off the opposing Thunderbolt user.
 
I have tested this team on PBR wifi and it seems to do pretty well. I have fought Japan players which is what the showdown tourney is. The record is 7-1. I lost once but i had a rematch and won against him.
 
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