Most Underrated Sweeper?

If there was one Pokemon that I think could do a lot as far as being underrated and such, I'd nominate Poliwrath in OU...

...I know what you're thinking, I'm nuts right? His dual STABs are useful: Water easily picks Pokemon like Gliscor and Hippowdon while Brick Break hits many different types as well for Super Effective damage (think Dark and Steel-types). Defensively he's a decent Tyranitar and Gyarados counter and still that's saying a lot (Swampert can't take STAB Crunches too well and he isn't immune to Waterfall from Gyarados). Only problem is is that you need Rock Slide to really pull off the rest of this... but still Water Absorb is an awesome ability and his balanced stats allow him to take hits as well as deliver some back with a decent punch. Too bad that he really needs a Bulk Up boost to get going but Substitute and Hypnosis help that a lot.

I dunno, maybe I'm just a big Poliwrath fan and I wish I could build a team with it in OU... if only I could figure out a set that works best (Belly Drummer vs. maybe one of the Bulk Up sets) and had a bit more of a knack for making teams. >_>;
 
Skiddle for that first set why not use Calm Mind? Sure it is completely walled by Dark types but then again, they should be afraid of focus blast. blissey still wont touch it with encore + sub as you calm mind enough times to 2hko with psychic.
 
In my opinion Curse Lapras is very underrated. Similar to DD Lapras mentioned above, it is really easy to stat up on Blissey. I lure the hopefully standard Blissey out with Heatran, switch to Gliscor to absorb a predicted Thunder Wave, and then switch to Lapras to absorb the incoming Ice Beam. Lapras can then alternate Subbing and Cursing without bother. Under optimal conditions (no sandstream) Lapras can gain 6 Curses if Blissey doesn't switch out, and still have 37 or so % left. If Blissey does switch out, Lapras will be behind a Substitute and can strike the incoming Pokemon with impunity. If it is something like Azelf or Gengar, Lapras can even Waterfall it while they Thunderbolt the Substitute, then KO it with Ice Shard.

What really makes Lapras special is its combination of a priority move and great [special] defenses. Lapras's Ice Shard has raped many teams for me, even without Curse. Not to mention it can beat Suicune one on one (if it doesn't have HP Electric), a feat few Cursers can boast.

Also seconding Staraptor, stuff like Gliscor can barely stand up to its CB Return.
 
KinglerDude24 said:
Skiddle for that first set why not use Calm Mind? Sure it is completely walled by Dark types but then again, they should be afraid of focus blast. blissey still wont touch it with encore + sub as you calm mind enough times to 2hko with psychic.
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That could work late game, but Bronzong and Celebi are rising in usage, so I use HP Fire to surprise and remove them. Bronzong gets 2HKOed on the switch in, and I can usually get up a Sub against Celebi, and then 2HKO it.

Another great thing is that it deters Blissey from using Thunderwave on your Alakazam, because they don't want to get Encored again, so the next time it comes in on you, I can usually get in another physicial sweeper on Seismic Toss and set something up.

When I was a total noob I never really liked Alakazam because I never saw anyone do anything good with him (the NPCs suck with it) and I thought it was a frail piece of crap, but now that I actually have *some* prediction skills, it's totally awesome.
 
Adamant Ursaring with guts and stabbed facade is beast =] Took out half my friend's team with it. It is suprisingly strong with decent defenses (lasted longer than I initially thought)
 
Garchomp is seriously an underrated sweeper.
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On a different note, I've happily swept through multiple teams with Registeel.
 
How is Garchomp underrated?
Lots of people use him. I do however agree with your registeel comment. a few speed passes and maybe an attack boost, and that's really hard to stop.
 
Aipom said:
How is Garchomp underrated?
Lots of people use him. I do however agree with your registeel comment. a few speed passes and maybe an attack boost, and that's really hard to stop.
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i think he was being sarcastic lol

EDIT:btw skiddle nice alakazam set, i ran something similar with calm mind > encore. its real easy to do when alakazam is vsing special attackers
 
Is there a reason these threads are even created? These discussions do not promote any intelligent thinking or development of the DP metagame.
 
Cynthia said:
Probably Sub/DD Lapras. Poeple often don't have a counter for it and by the time they figure out what's going on it already has 3 DD's. Blissey really fails against it which is nice since people love to switch Blissey into Lapras.
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What's there to figure out? Once you DD for the first time it should be fairly obvious what's going on...

Aipom said:
I do however agree with your registeel comment. a few speed passes and maybe an attack boost, and that's really hard to stop.
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Or you could give those same boosts to say, Garchomp, Gyarados or Tyranitar, and have them be far deadlier than Registeel. If Baton Passing makes one pokemon good, then what's stopping your from using it to make something already quasi-unstoppable completely dominating?

Getting back to the topic, Electivire went from overhyped to underrated. 3/4's of the teams in the RMT forum are completely 1-2HKO'd by Thunderbolt / Flamethrower / HP Ice / Cross Chop. And with Electric moves slowly making a rise (Thunderbolt has been jumping up for some reason), it's not as hard to get that boost as it once was.
 
I'm honestly going to say that Manectric is indeed "underated" it's out classed by alot of things sure but with decent speed and special attack it has actually beat quite a few OU teams. I use this set.


Manectric (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Static
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute

Idea is to come in on any water type knowing they will switch throw up a Sub and kill whatever comes in thats not named Blissey. Life orb helps boost it's rather "low" special attack. I may seem crazy using Sub and Life orb but it's usually good for one or two kills. It's done me good in the past(and present)...


Anouther one that comes to mind is Hitmonlee I currently use one in my team and I must say it does good. Heres my set(well Smogon's)...


Hitmonlee (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Limber
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Blaze Kick
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Suprises alot of people they're all like "ZoMg how r u so fast u haxxorz"(always good for a lol). I think I may use too much speed EV's but oh well.
 
What's there to figure out? Once you DD for the first time it should be fairly obvious what's going on...
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You'd think so, but people will actually continue to leave Blissey in even if it cannot break Lapras's subs, thus netting you lots of DD's and probably the win.
 
Anti said:
Have to go with Jynx here... that thing just rapes entire teams for me...
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I agree with Anti here. If not for Raikou or CBGross he would've owned me with CM Jynx a couple of times. Although almost any priority move can OHKO it, sleep+substitute+CM+STAB Ice Beam is really nice.

I also agree on all the statements about Ursaring. If Trick Room is set up, Guts-boosted STAB-boosted status-boosted Facade is amazingly powerful? Switch in Skarm or Bronzong? Fire Punch takes care of those quite nicely.

Last, although not necessarily underrated, I've been facing almost no Scizor on WiFi, and any set, be it the SD or just CB version, can be incredibly deadly and will sweep end-game with ease.

I was testing out Adamant Dugtrio and imo it's the best thing since sliced bread.
 
Slice n Dice said:
Is there a reason these threads are even created? These discussions do not promote any intelligent thinking or development of the DP metagame.
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I completely agree, this thread has 'fanboy' written all over it and probably won't go any farther than that.

I'd like to nominate Jirachi. People almost always use it in a supporting fashion but the CM/Sub set is extremely dangerous and rarely used.
 
-Cynthia- said:
Probably Sub/DD Lapras. Poeple often don't have a counter for it and by the time they figure out what's going on it already has 3 DD's. Blissey really fails against it which is nice since people love to switch Blissey into Lapras.
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This one. Brings back so many memories ...
 
BAM_UR_DEAD said:
I agree with Anti here. If not for Raikou or CBGross he would've owned me with CM Jynx a couple of times. Although almost any priority move can OHKO it, sleep+substitute+CM+STAB Ice Beam is really nice.
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I actually used HP Fire on my Jynx against you, the same Jynx that many Smogoners now know oh so well... It's excellent. Really. 308 Speed + STAB Ice Beam + Sleeping / Stat up move is very powerful. You won't know 'til you try it, or're beaten by it.

To be fair about the priority moves, despite Jynx's horrid defense she isn't OHKO'd by all of them. Special ones hit against her good base 95 Sp. Defense, so I'm ignoring them.

Metagross's Bullet Punch will always beat you. That's the worst. Especially considering Metagross's known as a Jynx counter, so all you can do is sleep / HP Fire on the switch.

0 Attack neutral (tank) Dusknoir's Shadow Sneak does 70% - 82%, which isn't bad considering you can sleep it and stat up / switch, the former giving you more Leftovers recovery.
 
DD Lapras is something that I was unfortunately swept by at the start of D/P. I know a player named Kite used it to great success as well. Dragon Dance/Sub/Waterfall/Return was a dangerous set.

Although isn't there also curselapras? Curse/Ice Shard or Avalanche/Rest/Waterfall. I remember seeing that used with success as well.

Lapras is one of those underrated sweepers, especially with that huge HP count.
 
Raikou. It can set up on Vaporeon, Suicune etc. and get rid of the main counters of Pokemon like Lucairo and Garchomp. Garchomp and Lucario's top counters include Gliscor, Bronzong, Skarmory, Suicune, etc. all whom Raikou can beat to set up Garchomp or Lucario late game.

The set I use is

Raikou @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
 
Exclamation Point said:
I'm not sure if NP Persian is underrated or not. But it is just as effective in OU as it is in UU.
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I agree. But i always have trouble selecting which move, there are just to many options. :P

Also, i usually try not to pack hypnosis for extra coverage, but seeing as it is OU after all, i think sleep would be better.

*sigh*now if only persian had baton pass :P

i could see hypnosis/nasty plot/baton pass/swift(Filler)

With that speed it'd be beast.
 
There are a couple very underrated sweepers. Sub CM Kou is a beast provided you get rid of Blissey, Snorlax, and Cresselia first. In addition, Togekiss can Nasty Plot sweep between Aura Sphere, Air Slash, and Tri-Attack, as well as tank. CM Bliss is also quite underrated, It survives CB Chomp and OHKOs back after a CM iirc. I've swept many teams with it, and its quite funny to see their reactions after being swept by it.
 
Just a question which type of persian set do you prefer?

Nasty Plot / Hypnosis / Icy Wind / Thunderbolt

Nasty Plot / Hypnosis / Swift / Water Pulse

Fake Out / Hypnosis / Shadow Claw / U-Turn (Is that the standard)
 
Stathakis said:
zangoose @

I think that's the set up he was going for
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Does that never get old? XD

I would agree with Jynx on this one. Staraptor is underrated, but no one ever uses Jynx anymore because it's slower. If you BP it agility and Nasty Plot *looks at Smeragle* it's really, really nasty.
 
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