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With Garchomp Now in Uber....
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Nothing can do what Garchomp does. I noticed suspect teams have different kind of synergy to them. In standard, Garchomp carried a lot of the weight on a team. It won't be like, "I can just replace Garchomp with Salamence or Lucario." The whole sweeping unit needs to be re-evaluated, especially since counters for other top sweepers like Porygon2 are seeing a lot more usage.
I wish... Scizor just takes it too hard from TBolt to be a viable counter.
but Gliscor safely counters them all(unless Tyranitar carries Ice Beam) :)
Heracross's +2 Guts Facade OHKOs Gliscor. o.o
If you guys used Speed EVs on Gliscor like you should be doing (thanks to HP Ice lucario) you wouldn't have that problem.
PS: Swords Dance Gliscor does an OK job of replacing Garchomp on some teams. It makes a good Tyranitar switch-in, and with Roost and it's general bulkiness, you can get up a few boosts and start doing some damage.
PS: Swords Dance Gliscor does an OK job of replacing Garchomp on some teams. It makes a good Tyranitar switch-in, and with Roost and it's general bulkiness, you can get up a few boosts and start doing some damage.
Sorry I forgot to put in I meant physical sweeper >_>
MoP Heracross is trouble for Gliscor. Gliscor is only a true counter for the choice sets.
Everyone and their mothers are talking about "nothing can replace Garchomp", are you serious? Lucario now doesn't have to worry about a Garchomp switching in, forcing it out, and gaining a Swords Dance in the process. Heatran doesn't have to worry about him absorbing his fire attacks(although I never knew why people did this, but I did enjoy Lava Pluming to cripple those retards), say hello to HP Electric now. Choice Scarf Heatrans will be packing it and Dragon Pulse, since Garchomp is out, Gyarados and friends can switch in instead, and HP Electric OHKOs Gyara.
I think Tyranitar will decline in usage, but I will still keep using him, as I never liked Garchomp in the first place.
I believe someone already pointed this out, but the cycle continues. You can take out one threat, but then another troublesome group of sweepers arise, and this is what creates the Uber tier.
I think SD Gliscor could become the next ground sweeper, no idea why people weren't using him before tho.
I think Tyranitar will decline in usage, but I will still keep using him, as I never liked Garchomp in the first place.
I believe someone already pointed this out, but the cycle continues. You can take out one threat, but then another troublesome group of sweepers arise, and this is what creates the Uber tier.
I think SD Gliscor could become the next ground sweeper, no idea why people weren't using him before tho.
So instead of using a Lucario counter, you wasted your Garchomp to take a +2 Lucario's Extremespeed? There was no free turn for Garchomp to set up. You would need to attack to KO Lucario otherwise it could have been goodbye to Garchomp.
Uh, maybe because Garchomp completely outclassed it? (And if you try using SD Gliscor on suspect, you'll know it gets completely walled by things like Mespirit, Uxie, Porygon2, Celebi with Hidden Power Ice, ect. as long as your opponent wasn't foolish enough to let you get to +4 or +6 Atk.)
What? No, I never used Garchomp, I used SD Gliscor to beat Lucario. My point is that many people didn't have to worry about Lucario because Garchomp could easily handle it for them.
Gliscor isn't outclassed by Garchomp by any means, and Gliscor performs a different role. He is primarily a physical wall, but instead of just sitting there waiting for Gyarados to come in, he can SD and kill. BTW, Gliscor's Aerial Ace/X-Scissor can beat Celebi and Uxie, but alright. Garchomp was partially walled by Celebi as well, so I guess if I throw on a Yache Berry I am not outclassed anymore, by your standards?
You are mixing your sets to make it sound better than it is. If it's using SD, then it's a pure attacker, unless you are using the defensive spread, in which case your Atk would never amount to anything great. No matter how much Atk you get, the Pokemon I listed will still give you a problem. Garchomp never had a problem. Celebi never walled SD or Band Chomp. Garchomp had no counters.
Gabu sucked anyway.
You are right, Garchomp never had any counters, but Gliscor isn't meant to all out sweep, hence its nice balanced stats. I typically run an Impish nature with some speed and attack EVs, and X-Scissor destroys Celebi. Garchomp was one dimensional, Gliscor can help with several things. Did I mention the immunity to Toxic Spikes?
I see you saying two different things. If Gliscor isn't going to sweep through someone's team, then how will it be the next big thing in offense?
Because it can sweep a team unexpectedly while also being able to be fallen back on when SD Lucario is about to sweep your team.
Gliscor's +0 Sand Veil Aerial Ace OHKOs Heracross.
I had the opposite expierience.
SD Gliscor was awesome. Other than setting up Stealth Rocks, there isn't much else he can do with his free time other than fire off Earthquakes from 226 attack.
I killed lots of stuff with it. Sure, it's stopped by HP Ice Celebi, Bronzong, Mesprit etc. It's not uncounterable. However, it's a good way to use those free turns you get from forcing out fighters. 95 base speed is good too.
It's a rude surprise for those TSS stall teams as well.
SD Gliscor was awesome. Other than setting up Stealth Rocks, there isn't much else he can do with his free time other than fire off Earthquakes from 226 attack.
I killed lots of stuff with it. Sure, it's stopped by HP Ice Celebi, Bronzong, Mesprit etc. It's not uncounterable. However, it's a good way to use those free turns you get from forcing out fighters. 95 base speed is good too.
It's a rude surprise for those TSS stall teams as well.
Salamence, Lucario & Co. for raplace Garchomp? Lol, nothing... NOTHING can raplace Garchomp. Lucario is a powerfull sweeper, but it has many counters and it's very fragile, therefore althought this counters suffer much damages from Lucario, it's OHKO if decides to attack. Same thing for Infernape, who also less offensive than Lucario, and Pokémon as Salamence, Gyarados, ecc... isn't hyper offensive as Lucario (although much more versatile).
I just feel that it's true. Despite what you may blabber all day nothing can ever replace what Garchomp can do. Sure Lucario could tear through many teams but doesn't have stellar Speed and as great of STAB as Lucario did. My point is: Garchomp was perhaps one of the most feared sweepers in all four games. NOTHING in my opinion compared to him at all.
On that note I felt like the "banning" of Garchomp was too soon. Platinum will be released soon (or is in Japan) and by then we could possibly see more of the picture. I understand that Garchomp had to go one way or another and that we could always re-test him again but otherwise I'm hoping that more original teams peak through (or just teams with Deoxys-S but that is besides the point).
On that note I felt like the "banning" of Garchomp was too soon. Platinum will be released soon (or is in Japan) and by then we could possibly see more of the picture. I understand that Garchomp had to go one way or another and that we could always re-test him again but otherwise I'm hoping that more original teams peak through (or just teams with Deoxys-S but that is besides the point).