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Skymin Discussion Thread

Am I the only one getting the feeling that now skymin is the new chomp, i mean look at the rmt's all the teams mention atleast SOMETHING to counter it, mainly becouse all the teams have one and why not have it, 80% chance of lowering oponents sp def, 60% flinch rate, pretty good coverage.....

Soo ya....

edit: was just on shoddy lol everyone has one to lol.
 
Lovely said:
Does Choice band mamoswine not 1hko Sky Shaymin?

4x like 383 ATK? hmm, or cant it at least take it?
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whats the point it can just swich then come back in, and do you realy think that skymin will come in on mamo? so if not then mamo has to swich and if it has to swich then it will have to take the seedflar....

which will hurt.

edit: oh and ye it is a ohko and i think its a ohko even with yache
 
I played:
Shaymin-s @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 Spe/252 SAtk/16 SDef
Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Air Slash

In my perfectly honest opinion, and granted I've only played about 20 matches with it, Skymin needs to be banned. It's true that it can't switch in on much, but there is enough. 101 Subs, Flinchh4x, powerful hits, AND stall! I'm not preaching theorymon, I've done some testing with it, and as much as I loved it, I feel I must say it should be banned.
 
Sheed said:
I played:
Shaymin-s @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 Spe/252 SAtk/16 SDef
Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Air Slash

In my perfectly honest opinion, and granted I've only played about 20 matches with it, Skymin needs to be banned. It's true that it can't switch in on much, but there is enough. 101 Subs, Flinchh4x, powerful hits, AND stall! I'm not preaching theorymon, I've done some testing with it, and as much as I loved it, I feel I must say it should be banned.
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lulz qft i have played with the ofensive life orb set and it repes almost everything and i have fought a few defensive sets and ye they are rrly hard to kill >.<
 
I've been playing with it as well but-- I have yet to see it be completely overwhelming. It's not invincible, and smart opponents can beat it.

Some things that people should consider:

-It's a brand new fucking pokemon. Of course it's going to get tons of hype and useage for awhile.

-People still don't have a good sense/experience of how much it can dish out to what. Until people get more play time with it, they are bound to make stupid decisions both when using it and fighting it. Until players get more experience playing around it, I wouldn't count your "data" for much.

on a side note, I've lol'd at Seed Flare miss to getting Ice Punched in the face by swampert twice today.
 
That's the thing, 67% of the battlers on Shoddy and (soon to be) Wifi are smart.

Of course, won't the smart battler use something to fuck over Skymin's few fears? With Scizor packing Bullet Punch, ScarfGar, Weavile, Deoxys-S Mamoswine, etc. won't be much to worry about. After that, Skymin can proceed to rape the other team. Registell needs a more SpDef distribution than one thinks. A Life Orb'd Seed Flare and Earth Power actually have a chance of 2KOing the standard OU tank set if I'm correct :/. Regice is one counter I can name off of the top of my head since Seed Flare 3-4KOs. Speaking of, Seed Flare has an 80% chance of that SpDef drop while Air Slash has a 60% chance of a flinch, this means that Seed Flare is a STAB, 120 BP move that doubles each turn if it disregards the 20% of no Special Defense drop :/. It's like Stone Edge hitting twice in a row, a large chance with a huge payoff.

When Garchomp was OU, everyone who used it had a way to rape its potential counters. making a clean sweep possible. Scizor and Suicune/Tentacruel can just about cover Skymin's potential counters.
 
ChouToshio said:
I did read your post, and it contained nothing that other party doesn't surely know already. It is obvious heatran would be 1hko's by earthpower but please, you can use your brain right? You can predict right? If you're not able to, then you might as well not be in this game shaymin or not. Plenty of pokemon have ways to screw their "counters," but that doesn't mean they aren't good switch ins or valuable for team building. Please apply some common sense to it. It's like you're being hysterically, idiotically fearful of the little green puppy.
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Even if you predicted a switchin, are you going to attempt to kill Shaymin? Don't tell me can't use my brain. Shaymin's faster and kills Heatran. I'm talking about non-Choice version of Shaymin.
 
SS4Azelf said:
That's the thing, 67% of the battlers on Shoddy and (soon to be) Wifi are smart.

Of course, won't the smart battler use something to fuck over Skymin's few fears? With Scizor packing Bullet Punch, ScarfGar, Weavile, Deoxys-S Mamoswine, etc. won't be much to worry about. After that, Skymin can proceed to rape the other team. Registell needs a more SpDef distribution than one thinks. A Life Orb'd Seed Flare and Earth Power actually have a chance of 2KOing the standard OU tank set if I'm correct :/. Regice is one counter I can name off of the top of my head since Seed Flare 3-4KOs. Speaking of, Seed Flare has an 80% chance of that SpDef drop while Air Slash has a 60% chance of a flinch, this means that Seed Flare is a STAB, 120 BP move that doubles each turn if it disregards the 20% of no Special Defense drop :/. It's like Stone Edge hitting twice in a row, a large chance with a huge payoff.

When Garchomp was OU, everyone who used it had a way to rape its potential counters. making a clean sweep possible. Scizor and Suicune/Tentacruel can just about cover Skymin's potential counters.
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your correct.
 
I fought one, it wasn't as scary as I thought... I have Heatran and plenty of levitators, and Weavile. I used Pursuit on it as it ran... it took like 65% from it, so it couldn't really switch in on anything after that ; )
 
I've fought a lot actually and while Skymin was intimidating at first, it's really not too difficult to take down. It's a pretty frail poke that's weak to SR. And of course good prediction skills also help but that's the case for every pokemon lol.

But even though it's not too difficult to kill, I still think it's broken. Not Garchomp status but a close second.
 
A couple of counters I've seen for Skymin:

Zapdos
Skarmory
Regice
Registeel
Blissey
Metagross
Bronzong
Heatran (when its specs or when it doesnt carry earth power)

It's powerful, but it's more frail than chomp. It has a stealth rock weak to match its 4 x weakness to ice. I don't see this being worth a ban. I also think Garchomp should be looked at for being unbanned, because I am seeing a lot more counters for it with the platinum changes. Especially if Skymin is left in, that can also serve as an anti chomp.
 
So, I spent all of yesterday having fun with the Platinum changes.

In all battles that I fought Skymin, it really didn't do something. Only in a couple battles it killed one of my Pokémon, sadly. I was really hoping more of it- but Registeel walled all of them, except for a Subseed one (which Clefable walled, go figure).

I'm sure it's just because it's a new Pokémon and everyone is excited and everything, but so far I'd say it won't go to ubers. Not until someone find its Yachechomp equivalent.
 
Astrus switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂).
Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 33% of its health.
Skarmory's special defence was harshly lowered.

Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 67% of its health.
Astrus's Skarmory fainted.

...and this whit a double Grass resistor. Uber, please...
 
Il Mitico™ said:
Astrus switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂).
Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 33% of its health.
Skarmory's special defence was harshly lowered.

Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 67% of its health.
Astrus's Skarmory fainted.

...and this whit a double Grass resistor. Uber, please...
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OP][B]NEW NOTICE: Please do not make pointless posts about should it be put in Uber or OU. If you want to say something useful said:
Yes, because Skarmory is known for its special defence, amiryte?
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of this.

But yeah, in terms of over centralizing, there might be a LOT of Registeel rise in terms of useage. Overall though, with Registeel, it can hardly do anything except switch....However, without Registeel, Skymin will definately rip a team to shreds.

So right now, I am pretty much neutral on the matter of whether it should be Uber and OU (Although a bit more in favor of Uber so around 52% uber 48 % OU) until next months useage stuff come up.
 
Il Mitico™ said:
Astrus switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂).
Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 33% of its health.
Skarmory's special defence was harshly lowered.

Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 67% of its health.
Astrus's Skarmory fainted.

...and this whit a double Grass resistor. Uber, please...
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You could've actually used that first hit to your advantage. The damage should've told you that it was Modest + Specs, so you were safe to bring in your sturdier Grass resist and know that anything over 354 Speed could outrun it later on.
 
Lemmiwinks MkII said:
You could've actually used that first hit to your advantage. The damage should've told you that it was Modest + Specs, so you were safe to bring in your sturdier Grass resist and know that anything over 354 Speed could outrun it later on.
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That's weird, the first modest specs I've seen so far. IMO the standard is Substitute attacker with earth power, air slash and seed flare. My special defensive zappy is doing a good job walling it, and I don't see a reason for it to be uber. I am seeing alot of viability for the Ubers trapper scizor in OU right now, I use that to kill all the opposing skymin I face.
 
Il Mitico™ said:
Astrus switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂).
Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 33% of its health.
Skarmory's special defence was harshly lowered.

Skymin used Seed Flare.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 67% of its health.
Astrus's Skarmory fainted.

...and this whit a double Grass resistor. Uber, please...
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So the fact that it did 33% damage and halved your special defence was not a clue to get the fuck out of there?
 
The Shaymin-s of the log is Modest with Life Orb, and with this move it can do 2HKO on Skarmory, Zapdos (also max HP max SpDef), and more Pokémon of this Metagame. Moreover, 353 Spd points outspeeding 150 base Spd max EV and with positive nature, is not just! Or do you want me to belive that play Timid Gengar with Life Orb is a nonsense? Must play with CBGross with Bullet Punch, CB Scizor with Bullet Punch, Registeel and Empoleon in every Team? This is centralization, Shaymin Sky Form is Uber!
 
Actually...might I notice how my Timid Specs Skymin manages those exact same figures on all kinds of Skarmories? I don't notice LO Recoil on that one, so yeah...
 
I REALLY can't see that set working, no matter what. So many things resist it, and you can't just switch in and out because of Stealth Rock. ScarfDos (very underrated Poké) counters that, as well as Regice, and many others can deal with it
 
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