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Break the Mold-Click here to see the full post.
latinoheat said:
Name: Break the Mold

Description:
An OU viable pokemon that goes completely against the stereotypes of its typing.
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Type: Rock

Offensive/Defensive Bias: Offensive 20-40
Physical/Special Bias: Special -20 and lower
Base Stat Rating: Very Good
Base Stats:90/60/65/120/70/130 Speed Last

Art By yourDeadGrandad
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This thread is open for discussion of existing ingame abilities, and possible new abilities for the pokemon. New abilities should be considered with caution. The TL should be actively involved in this discussion to prevent unreasonable ability suggestions (new or existing) from gaining support. The TL will use the suggestions and feedback from this thread to determine the voting slate for the Ability Poll.
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Also, please don't suggest ridiculous abilities. This thing won't be getting Shadow Tag, Drought, or Drizzle for sure. The abilities that increase the power of a type of move are off limits since this is Rock, as are the Rain+Sun abilities. Post away!
 
Levitate seems a likely option for YDG's, and Synchronize/Inner Focus fit Caladbolg's, off the top of my head... I'm against Technician which will probably be stated because ancient power hax is not fun, most definately not on this well-rounded statistically pokemon. Yea it only has 8 PP but that doesn't stop anyone from using seed flare on shaymin.
 
I would like to see technician, levitate, rough skin, and adaptability.
Technician would help low BP moves work great
Levitate would just be cool for flavor and help shape what our pokemon can switch into... assuming yDG wins.
Rough skin can help direct attacks away from the weak physical side of our poke.
And finally adaptability would be another way to make its main stab attacks super powerful.
 
Adaptability or Techinician would probably be best as it would allow for stronger moves because special rock moves aren't exactly plentiful. Synchronize is always good for special pokemon.
 
As a general note, be sure you all realize what Technician/Adaptability entail. That means you won't get a new rock move, and you'll be stuck with Power Gem/Ancient Power.
 
Suggesting Mold Breaker.
Besides being a useful and semi-rare ability, it would totally fit the project's theme.
Edit: beaten. In that case, Sniper would be cool, especially for YDG's design.
Edit2: also Tinted Lens might be cool considering the limited coverage this thing might get, also somewhat fits in with designs.
 
Mold breaker could also work, since that is the name of the concept and it allows power gem + earth power to cover everything except Breloom and Toterra.
 
Hmmm maybe levitate, limber, mold breaker.
Levitate sounds great since it take out EQ weakness.
Limber would prevent paralysis which would be helpfull alot since its speedy.
mold breaker cause it counters Bronzong since bronzong counters enough.(Since we're breaking the mold it fits well)
 
Cata's picture definately looks either limber or technician, YDG looks more like an adaptability or levitate poke.

Adaptability gets HP rock up to 140 power, whereas technician gives ancient power 135 power. I am against the addition of new moves for this poke.

Levitate is decent alternative, as parts of YDG's drawing are definately levitating.

Limber definately works for the metroid type drawing (cata's), and would definately break the mold (no current rock type is limber at all).
 
Personally I believe Mold Breaker/Adaptability/Technician/Tinted Lens are broken. Lets look at it. Mold Breaker is given to two Pokemon, both of which BL. One has horrendous defenses and speed, the other has mediocre speed and crappy typing, and is outclassed in OU. Only bugs get tinted lens, and the one bug that is OU has a better ability to use. Scizor is the only OU Pokemon with Technician, but the Pokemon with Technician in general don't have very deep movepools, save Smeargle, but Smeargle has 20 attack/special attack. Only one Pokemon gets Adaptability, and that's Porygon-Z. It's not even OU, even though it has 135 Special attack, and is hindered by its 90 Speed and poor defenses. These are all great abilities, but combined with the stats and projected movepool, these would be too much.

Therefore, I support Pressure/Rock Head. Rock Head needs no explanation as the back-up ability, it could be useful on a Head Smash mixed set. Its just there to waste space. Pressure is a generic ability, but this would make Skymin waste two precious Seed Flare PP per shot, along with Heatran's Fire Blast. Limber could work as well, but I can't see it working with the art.
 
For Caladbolg, maybe Mold Breaker.

For the scythe looking one, maybe levitate or technician.

Those are the obvious ones. I'm going to peruse the other abilities.
 
Please no adaptability. Technician or a new rock move could do the same thing, but don't waste an ability slot to power up a single move.
 
Here is my opinion on what abilities these guys could pull.

Caladbolg: Pressure, Insomnia, Rock Head, Synchronize, Solid Rock, Serene Grace, Magic Guard, Inner Focus, Forwarn, Unware, Trace, Simple, Battle Armor, Keen Eye, Sturdy

YDG: Rock Head, Levitate, Sniper, Sand Veil, Magnet Pull, Intimidate, Hyper Cutter, Aftermath, Rough Skin, Scrappy, Hustle, No Guard, Technician, Pressure

Will add more later.
 
tennisace0227 said:
Therefore, I support Pressure/Rock Head. Rock Head needs no explanation as the back-up ability, it could be useful on a Head Smash mixed set. Its just there to waste space. Pressure is a generic ability, but this would make Skymin waste two precious Seed Flare PP per shot, along with Heatran's Fire Blast. Limber could work as well, but I can't see it working with the art.
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Considering that we are making an OU pokemon intended to be viable with prior intent of doing so efficiently, I am not sure I agree with using an ability to waste space.
Also, Rock Head Head Smash on a pokemon with 130 speed sounds a bit scary. I used Metalkid's calculator, but max ATK Choice Banded CAP 5 ohko's blissey 100% of the time with Head Smash.

Mold Breaker would definitely suit this pokemon as an ability however.
 
But does it need an amazing ability to be OU? Probably not if we give it an appropriate moveset. I stopped being involved with CAP after revenankh because because people kept overshooting things, and apparently as seen by the reforming of syclant and revenankh my feelings were correct...make sure you don't overdo this promising new poke.
 
latinoheat said:
who is gonna use max attack choice band on something with 60 base attack.
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It's all about the STAB Head Smash.

Just replying to Tennis's post.

Just to make it clearer, I was replying to Tennis's idea of giving this thing Rock Head and Head Smash, and saying that with 130 base speed, it would easily overcome the weak base attack.

EDIT: Whoops, I used 252 HP not defense. It does OKHO on Blisseys that decide to defer from the standard spread in this particular way...Head Smash is an OHKO with Adaptability. However, in this case it's more like Self-Destruct anyway.
 
Someone who wants to kill Blissey I'd assume...

But I like the idea of Mold Breaker, and I think that Rough Skin is an interesting idea for yDG's pokemon.
 
As it's been said, there are two main issues with Rock that would need to be resolved. There's low BP STAB and there's the fact that it'll have trouble switching in. Basically any ability this gets should address one of these two issues. Adaptability means that it probably doesn't need any boosts OR new moves to be invented for it, but an ability like Limber or Insomnia allows it to switch in on popular status moves. Another interesting option would be Solid Rock. If we're talking about this countering Togekiss, I'm willing to bet that Solid Rock will go a few places to compensate for the weakness.

Honestly I don't think that it's a good idea to label things as immediately broken without much specific evidence. I remember that we were all terrified of Pyroak becoming broken, and it turned out fairly average. Theorymon can only get us so far.
 
latinoheat said:
who is gonna use max attack choice band on something with 60 base attack.
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Togekiss with only50 base attack has a CB set with hustle.

If this thing does get adaptability, at least it's stab move would be decent with a CB and could seriously hurt a blissey switching in to wall it out.
 
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