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Election 2008, United States
- Thread starter Great Sage
- Start date
Everyone is telling you he hangs out with terrorists. You going to believe that as well?
The reason everyone wants Obama to win is because he's black. There's an experience difference between Obama and McCain, considering how much older McCain is. That being said, I still think Obama would be better. Even though I'm not 18 yet, I'd vote for Obama because I support his plans a lot more than McCain's.
PyroDudeX said:
Referring to intact dilation and extraction as 'live birth abortion' is a piece of propaganda. See this article for a more reasonable explanation.
Solidus said:
Really? You think all these people would vote for Alan Keyes against a white Democratic candidate?
"Live birth abortions," as in they kill the baby as it's delivered? You're kidding, right?
EDIT: Thanks for the link SSBM roy. That's just... idiocy.
6% of Americans are so racist, they wont vote for Obama because he's black.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-09/john-mccain-shooting-craps-pissed-off/
An interesting little article shows the other side of McCain.
An interesting little article shows the other side of McCain.
What's worse is that McCain's strategy will not only fail to win him the election, but it is in fact only inciting hate from some of his supporters:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/former-mccain-strategist_n_133523.html
I think McCain and his supporters have every right to attack Obama, provided that the attacks are truthful (Like Obama's position against Off-shore drilling), but not when they are distorted and unethical like his current links to Ayers. If McCain was truly the "Country First" candidate he plays to be, he should at least denounce the "terrorist" and "kill him" comments that his supporters seem to be chanting at his rallies, or else put an end to this hate mongering. The evidence is more than apparent that his campaign's negativity is not helping him in the polls but is only enraging some of his remaining supporters. Come November, if Obama wins, these people will only be more incited to violent behavior, and it is McCain's responsibility to put morals ahead of his campaign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/former-mccain-strategist_n_133523.html
I think McCain and his supporters have every right to attack Obama, provided that the attacks are truthful (Like Obama's position against Off-shore drilling), but not when they are distorted and unethical like his current links to Ayers. If McCain was truly the "Country First" candidate he plays to be, he should at least denounce the "terrorist" and "kill him" comments that his supporters seem to be chanting at his rallies, or else put an end to this hate mongering. The evidence is more than apparent that his campaign's negativity is not helping him in the polls but is only enraging some of his remaining supporters. Come November, if Obama wins, these people will only be more incited to violent behavior, and it is McCain's responsibility to put morals ahead of his campaign.
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-abused-power-but-didnt-break-law-in-trooper-case/
Don't worry, I'll still be here with more gimmick avatars
I hope you weren't calling me a racist. If you were, you're wrong. I'm black myself.
Well perhaps has come to his senses, and I am glad that he is doing so.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/10/stop-the-presses/
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/10/stop-the-presses/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/rezko_spilling_the_beans;_ylt=AsDpMG2uaCUwlFgWHKqo1Vqs0NUE
I'm pretty sure the McCain campaign is offering a prayer to God that Rezko has something on Obama, because this may be his second-to-last hope (his last is an Osama tape 4 days before the election - again).
I'm pretty sure the McCain campaign is offering a prayer to God that Rezko has something on Obama, because this may be his second-to-last hope (his last is an Osama tape 4 days before the election - again).
That link says there's no October surprise in it. Its going to take another 9/11 for McCain to win this election.
here's hoping for no more "deals" (btw this study is OLD - it was written in 2004 but it's come up as a news item today)
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
of course anyone who's not liberal/keynesian/ignorant of how markets actually work already knows this or kind of gets this but still
protip: let the market fix itself, it usually (actually always) does a good job of that despite government interference
and before you bring up herbert hoover let me say that the first 3 decades of the 20th century were by far the most economically interventionist in american history
my point is that obama's rhetoric, and the mood of the country (btw, 6% unemployment v.s 25% and people are clamoring for more socialism..."nation of whiners" anyone?) seems to be begging for a new deal type government intervention, complete with public works (waste), tarriffs (universally disasterous) and higher top-rate taxes (do nothing but feed waste), and that scares the shit out of me (of course i've heard that he's lying about "revising" (more like repealing) nafta but still)
Also Solidus is likely referring to the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which Obama voted against twice as a Illinois State Senator(the second time after a key clause was put in that he argued for) - while such a vote does not suggest that he supports infantacide, i'd say it's a major lapse in judgement to 1: not know that voting against banning infanticide is absolutely retarded in a purely political sense 2: to not think that even if there is no reason to vote for a bill banning infantacide voting for it shows one's moral character (i.e. why would you make that big a deal about a bill, even if it were symbolic, banning infanticide)
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
of course anyone who's not liberal/keynesian/ignorant of how markets actually work already knows this or kind of gets this but still
protip: let the market fix itself, it usually (actually always) does a good job of that despite government interference
and before you bring up herbert hoover let me say that the first 3 decades of the 20th century were by far the most economically interventionist in american history
my point is that obama's rhetoric, and the mood of the country (btw, 6% unemployment v.s 25% and people are clamoring for more socialism..."nation of whiners" anyone?) seems to be begging for a new deal type government intervention, complete with public works (waste), tarriffs (universally disasterous) and higher top-rate taxes (do nothing but feed waste), and that scares the shit out of me (of course i've heard that he's lying about "revising" (more like repealing) nafta but still)
Also Solidus is likely referring to the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which Obama voted against twice as a Illinois State Senator(the second time after a key clause was put in that he argued for) - while such a vote does not suggest that he supports infantacide, i'd say it's a major lapse in judgement to 1: not know that voting against banning infanticide is absolutely retarded in a purely political sense 2: to not think that even if there is no reason to vote for a bill banning infantacide voting for it shows one's moral character (i.e. why would you make that big a deal about a bill, even if it were symbolic, banning infanticide)
Really? I thought that it was rather close. I am certainly for Obama though, and I think that the economic crisis shows why (I have always complained about the Republican economic ideals).
Current polling indicates: Obama 343 McCain 184 Ties 11
Another one? I haven't paid much attention the past 4 days or so.
200,000 potentially fraudulent voters in Ohio, the Dem in charge is told TWICE by the court to fix it and she is still appealing.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/31101144.html
The number of records discrepancies account for almost a third of all Ohioans that registered this year. This is ridiculous, and I hope we don't have another Florida recount.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/31101144.html
The number of records discrepancies account for almost a third of all Ohioans that registered this year. This is ridiculous, and I hope we don't have another Florida recount.
Of the 200,000 voters with mismatched data, I would guess about 0 of them turn out to be fraudulent and still vote. =( the penalty for voter fraudulence is like 2 years in jail. Nobody is going to risk that for 1 extra vote in a campaign that isn't even close. Most of those cases of mismatched data probably are just people who have moved since registering or something like that (gotten married and changed their name, or divorced, etc). She should still do everything she can to make sure all of the voters are who they say they are, but if this investigation is projected to take more than 3 weeks, her compliance may result in hundreds of thousands of new voters being ineligible to vote (which IMO would be MUCH worse than at most a handful of fraudulent voters).
