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Twisted Kneebar

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OK, this team is based around a Scizor sweep and after around 5 similar teams I finally perfected the art of a Scizor sweep. Each team member has its own way of supporting Scizor and each other. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this is unbeaten (even tho its only been like 6 battles lol)
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@ Choice Scarf
EV's:4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- HP [Ice]
- Earth Power
- Explosion

Why did I choose CSTran? Well he provides fire immunity (If i have to explain why I need one, go kill your self! lol) Counters other Scizor, works well as a sweeper (And I needed at least one speedy pokemon) and kills Azelf leads.


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@ Leftovers
EV's: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SpD
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Wish
- Ice Beam
- HP [Electric]

Why did I choose Vaporeon? She counters Heatran, Gyarados, Salamence, bulky grounds etc. provides Wish support (I dont use roost on Scizor) and is overall just an awesome wall.


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@ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EV's: 252 Def/80 SAtk/ 176 SpD
Calm (+SpD, -Atk)
- Softboiled
- Flamethrower
- Toxic
- Aromatherapy

Why did I choose Blissey? Shes my special wall, cleric (She helps Scizor in case of burn, Tyranitar too, and Heatran wont get crippled by thunderwave, but she especially hels Tyranitar because the thing he'll be switching into will most likely have WoW)I cant make a team without her. Oh i forgot to mention shes also a Forretress counter lol



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@ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EV's: 252 HP/4Atk/252 Def
Impish (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Stealth Rock

Why did I choose Gliscor? Hes my main physical wall, SRer (makes sweeping ALOT easier) Heracross counter (who would walk all over my team) Metagross counter, Tyranitar counter (who have been running fire punch so Scizor cant counter it!!!) and fighting counter. I also needed a fighting resist (Half my team is weak to it)


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@ Choice Band
EV's: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpD
Brave (+Atk, -Spd)
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Why I chose Tyranitar? Well hes very essential, he counters Zapdos, Rotom, Dusknoir, Cresselia (and with random things running HP Fire, hell I even saw a Magnezone running that so I dont think Scizor could counter it, plus hes my surprise so I cant let him out early!) and Blissey. Hes the reason (the main reason) I run aromatherapy on Bliss. Hes going to counter Rotom and Dusknoir and both have WoW which will have crippled him after he beats them. He can also help counter his own counters (Ice Beam) I also chose Ice Beam for Gliscor, because he can switch into any attack and outrun and EQ so I wanted something to always 1HKO and with sand veil up i can miss an aqua tail and hell get two free EQs (he switches, I miss, He EQs, I aqua tail i take half his HP and he EQs again potentially KOing) and I know Vaporeon can counter but she could barely counter Gyarados and with stealth rock damage and 2 DDs plus LO i get KOed. (Vaporeon)




AND NOW... THE STAR OF THE SHOW... I PRESENT... SCIZOR!!!

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@ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EV's: 232 HP/252 Atk/24 Def
Adamant (+ Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance
- Brick Break

Scizor... with Platinums Bullet Punch this guy is truely overpowered in fact hes so effective at sweeping he could sweep early game if not for everyone running Heatran and Zapdos. the EV's allow him to set up on things like Gliscor with rather weak EQ's. Brick Break for MAGNEZONE! and so I dont have to set up on CBTar, and Blissey. Also is my Weavile Counter.
 
XxBurst LimitxX said:
SD Lucario w/ Ice Punch is a 6-0. I would go with a Gyarados over Gliscor or even Rotom.
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SDluke is overrated. He could either make gliscor faster than adamant lucario (not hard to do but IDK the exact EVS) or switch in gliscor then go straight to HEATRAN and it is effectively countered. Besides, what can it set up on?

Only two things can it get a swords dance on, (without losing most of it's HP) and that would be heatran locked in hidden power, or tyranitar using anything but earthquake. If he did flee from lucario with any pokemon (like tyranitar for instance) he could send in gliscor then heatran and get a free KO. Loll. Should they be specsluke he is sure in for one heck of a time. My advice is to get (TENTACRUEL, SPIRITOMB, DUGTRIO) over something.
 
seds said:
SDluke is overrated. He could either make gliscor faster than adamant lucario (not hard to do but IDK the exact EVS) or switch in gliscor then go straight to HEATRAN and it is effectively countered. Besides, what can it set up on?

Only two things can it get a swords dance on, (without losing most of it's HP) and that would be heatran locked in hidden power, or tyranitar using anything but earthquake. If he did flee from lucario with any pokemon (like tyranitar for instance) he could send in gliscor then heatran and get a free KO. Loll. Should they be specsluke he is sure in for one heck of a time. My advice is to get (TENTACRUEL, SPIRITOMB, DUGTRIO) over something.
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Yeah specs luke is a real ass and could destroy 5 members but i could work around it since hes a choice user (except aura sphere lol)
 
SD Lucario overrated? >.>

HP Ice OHKO Gliscor
Ice Punch does about 70% to 252/252

If you choose to make it faster than luke, Ice Punch will do even more as practically all EVs must be invested in speed. You'll only have about 40 in defense. So in that case, Ice Punch + Extreme Speed...maybe it will need the assistance of SR. This is without any boosts by the way.

Blissey allows setup too as flamethrower does not OHKO; it does about 50% I think. Heatran can't always switch in with CC which is the move it'll be using on 5/6 of your pokemon. Most people will know/assume heatran is scarf, so unless you eliminate their heatran counter first, no one will keep lucario in on it. Vaporeon can't switch in as well being 2HKO unboosted and OHKO boosted.

Lucario doesn't really need a boost to get past 5/6 of these pokes. Scizor can beat it one on one but that requires foregoing SD to brick break ruining its sweeping potential plus it'll be CC'ed as well.

I see scizor + lucario teams all the time as well...
 
TCH why will gliscor take an ice punch if it is faster? It can come in and (EQ) or if slower it can switch to heatran on the ice move. Even though it doesn't need a boost it will try to get one anyway (they always will). So the foolproof plot I invented can only fail if both the gliscor has no speed investment AND heatran is at too low to take an extreme speed + ice punch after SR/spikes and prior damage. Not all lucario have ice punch anyway. But most do... They need bullet punch for gengar, stone edge for gyarados, crunch for cressilia and uxie... it can't have eighty moves.
 
your team is SO standard it's not even funny

I was really looking forward to see more creativity

when I saw the 6 pokes, I knew that

hetran was scarfed
scizor was SD bullet punch
vaporeon was wish suport (though i thought you'd be running toxic)
wishbliss toxic stall

standard, standard, TOO standard to be honest...

that's why i no longer play OU, just roulette :)
 
1. No one said it would have all those moves.
2. Lucario would have to ice punch on the switch, that's a given. Gliscor will always be switching into lucario, not the other way around.
3. It's an asinine assumption that everyone will always SD assuming a switch. I've used Lucario many times without SDing once and it has done its job.

The idea is to ice punch on the switch to nail gliscor. Look at the damage to see if its fast or not. If its faster, extreme speed (if it switches out at this point, it's unlikely it'll survive the next time it switches in, unless it's against a wall I suppose); if its slower you could even CC to finish it off if gliscor has taken prior residual/SR damage.

I never understood why anyone would switch heatran in on Lucario these days. Unless it was a sure thing it's going to use extreme speed (such as a SDed Luke vs an Infernape) heatran has no business switching in. I've CCed way too many heatran on the switch before-I guess they all thought I would SD.
 
Ronca_Lapor said:
your team is SO standard it's not even funny

I was really looking forward to see more creativity

when I saw the 6 pokes, I knew that

hetran was scarfed
scizor was SD bullet punch
vaporeon was wish suport (though i thought you'd be running toxic)
wishbliss toxic stall

standard, standard, TOO standard to be honest...

that's why i no longer play OU, just roulette :)
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thanks for the advice now my team is 100% better


seriously spam elsewhere.


and shenlong the way you play is very smart but most players are dumbasses so i usually work around it. i probably wont notice my sd luke weak until i play against you lol


so anyways any other weaks i have besides sd luke?


oh and ps ronca lapor i bet my team would beat yours even if u could out predict every move :toast:
 
So, your excuse for being weak to lucario is that you play bad players? Lucario can set up on 3 of your pokemon. Ttar if it's locked into an attack.Blissey's flamethrower only does: Damage: 57.45% - 67.73%. And vaporeon is also classic set up bait.
 
scofield said:
So, your excuse for being weak to lucario is that you play bad players? Lucario can set up on 3 of your pokemon. Ttar if it's locked into an attack.Blissey's flamethrower only does: Damage: 57.45% - 67.73%. And vaporeon is also classic set up bait.
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oh god. the point is i switch to heatran on SD. shenlong was just describing a smarter way instead of SDing blindly.
 
This is a really neat example of a standard team. I suggest putting Pursuit over Crunch of Ice Beam on Tyranitar so it can actually do something to all the things you listed as it countering, before they switch out.
 
824545201 said:
This is a really neat example of a standard team. I suggest putting Pursuit over Crunch of Ice Beam on Tyranitar so it can actually do something to all the things you listed as it countering, before they switch out.
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Ive tried that. turns out im not the greatest predicter in the world lol thats why i chose ice beam instead of pursuit.
 
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