Are you using the best Gliscor?

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How does Gliscor fare against standard defensive Machamp? Does he need +2 attack to kill Machamp before Machamp nails him with ice punch?
 
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Skiddle, as you know I have been seeing it today, and I have come to the conclusion that X-Scissor is too easily wallable.
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Yeah, same here... however if your team is TOTALLY spanked by Cress and Celebi it could be used.

I'm finding Ice Fang > Stone Edge > X-Scissor. Aerial Ace may be an option... I'll look into it.



SD EQ does 68.49-80.73% to Machamp.
 
That's an interesting Gliscor. I've been using a support set with 252 Hp/ 186 Def/ 72 Spe to outrun Jolly T-Tar and Timid Zone, but this set outspeeds a lot of other threats while not compromising its tanking ability and provides a strong attack power. I may try it out...
 
First of all, I wasn't aware this set was new. Swords Dance Gliscor has always been an option because the fourth moveslot is a toss up. Second, ALWAYS use Impish nature with Gliscor. Jolly shouldn't even be an option unless have to get the extra speed. You will get a lot more stat points by making use of your 125 base stat. The Attack EVs is something I've never personally considered, so kudos on that.
 
If you read, I didn't intend on making it Jolly, it was requested. Secondly, the only Gliscor set with speed EVs, arguably the most important aspect of this set, is the "Physical Sweeper" and it has Life Orb and Jolly nature.

Beating Lucario to the punch is a HUGE deal. If they have HP Ice, and you don't outrun them, you just lost your Gliscor. Since there is no way of telling if it has it or not, don't you think outrunning it and taking no damage at all is a good idea? Worst case scenario, you'll be taking a Swords Danced Extremespeed, or an unboosted Close Combat. Don't forget it outruns Magnezone, Heatran and more potential threats.

252/252 Impish just doesn't cut it anymore. Random stuff is packing Ice Moves for Gliscor, and then there's other stuff that has a chance of 2HKOing you regardless of your investment (like CBtar's Stone Edge) that you can play around because you outrun it.

It's not exactly a new set, it's more of new EVs than anything. It's more of an improvement to a set that was never used, making it usable in today's metagame.
 
More or less, the speed EVs really do make a difference in beating out pokemon that could potentially KO Gliscor with HP Ice.

And with SD on Gliscor, it also has the power to boost its not so stellar attack. Even with some speed, lacking power to OHKO would make Gliscor very vunerable.

I agree with you on this topic.
 
I find Stone Edge to be the most useful; if you're running Hyper Cutter as you should be, if you SD on the switch you OHKO both LO Gyarados, which seems to be all the rage right now, as well as Salamence, with only 16 EVs invested in Attack, which is conveniently the number required to OHKO Lucario before an SD.
 
All right. I'll put Hyper Cutter as the ability of choice and Stone Edge as the attack of choice.

Since my team has Porygon2 on it, I've never worried about Gyarados, so it's really a no-brainer to use Ice Fang for me : /

Anyways, thanks for your support Syberia.
 
I have run Swords Dance Gliscor for 6 months, due to me hating "sitting duck" pokemon in general. However, I'll admit I love your EV's, and will transfer them over to my 1000's of teams with Gliscor. It shouldn't be a primary sweeper tbh. It is more of a tank in that its primary function is to counter Luke and co with the added bonus of more damage dealing :)
 
Thanks for the spread Skiddle. Like you said, 252/252 impish just isn't cutting it anymore and i'm too lazy to start testing a new one and probably wouldn't come up with anything nearly as good anyway.
 
Yeah, it's not really a sweeper. I just use it to get me out of tough situations, and breaking through his traditional counters.

Anyways, not much else to say about it, but thanks for all your criticism and support. Enjoy the EV spread.
 
If you read, I didn't intend on making it Jolly, it was requested. Secondly, the only Gliscor set with speed EVs, arguably the most important aspect of this set, is the "Physical Sweeper" and it has Life Orb and Jolly nature.

Beating Lucario to the punch is a HUGE deal. If they have HP Ice, and you don't outrun them, you just lost your Gliscor. Since there is no way of telling if it has it or not, don't you think outrunning it and taking no damage at all is a good idea? Worst case scenario, you'll be taking a Swords Danced Extremespeed, or an unboosted Close Combat. Don't forget it outruns Magnezone, Heatran and more potential threats.
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I never suggested not using speed EVs. I said Gliscor should never use a speed boosting nature. 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 Spe is what I ran on my Swords Dace Gliscor, which gives 285 speed (fuck you Mamoswine and Gallade) and still, 322 Defense. That was my point, Impish gives you a crapload of extra stat points. And to further back up this set, skiddle I use Stone Edge too :-D its fun killing eager Gyarados.
 
The standard 252/252 Impish Gliscor these days is threatened by the increasing "Chainluke" (SD/Close Combat/HP Ice/move), and needs to be quicker to threaten Lucario and force it out. This set is capable of doing just that. However, one question I must ask. How much does a Lucario's HP Ice do to that Gliscor if 56sp.atk EVs with Jolly nature on Lucario is used? (A variant I use, which guarantees a OHKO on standard sets. Mine uses Adamant, but still, same EVs.)

I'm liking this set a lot. Very well thought out, utilizing EVs in just the right areas without losing effectiveness.
 
LOL, it was called ""chain chomp" after the Mario enemy. Not every surprise mixed sweeper has the word chain in front of it.
 
If you're not using +Speed, you're just asking to get owned by a Hasty/Naive HP Ice Luke (I've seen 'em), as well as not being able to outspeed and kill most Salamence/Jirachi.
 
Naive HP Ice Luke I've never came accross. The rare occasion that I've seen Jolly SD Luke it had trouble killing things. 285 Outspeeds most Salamence these days anyway, and Jirachi won't do much of anything unboosted w/ Psychic (If its not CM, it has nothing for you anyway and they run less speed). I'll take the extra.... 30+ defense points.
 
if lucario has HP Ice, that means it won't have bullet punch or crunch, so the Gengar I know we all have can take it.

besides, regular 252/252 gliscor would have died anyways... so it's not like this gliscor has more problems with HP Ice lucario.
 
I've been running a 280 Spe Gliscor for the longest time, and I have to say that it really is a lot better. However, I'd suggest U-turn for the last slot, as it allows you to scout their counters for you, and with 100 Atk EVs it also deals a minimum of 25% to 252 HP Tyranitar, allowing you to scout out its moveset if it has a sub up.

I'm currently running Stealth Rock/EQ/U-turn/Roost, as I have multiple ways to deal with Garchomp (DX-S mainly), but when I used to use Bronzong with Stealth Rock as a lead, I ran Ice Fang over Stealth Rock and gave it a bit extra Atk EVs.
 
Hey guys, looks like noone has posted here in quite a while.

Is this set still viable in competitive play today, after the platinum changes? Are there any changes to be made to make it fit in with the current metagame?
 
All you need to get 308 speed is change the nature to Jolly. Voila, 308 speed. 280 + 28 = 308

Please do not necro threads though, it's irritating.
 
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