np: UU - A New Beginning

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Most Blazikens I've seen are Agility or Choiced. A couple Swords Dancers too, though not nearly as common as SD Gallade. I run a mixed LO set similar to IcyMan's - Naive, Superpower / Flamethrower / HP Grass / Vacuum Wave. Getting it in is hard, though, it being so frail and relatively slow, and it usually revenge kills rather than truly wallbreaks.
 
Thorns, did you steel that from me from my old team? And it should be Jolly.


I think a really under rated Pokemon speaking of blaziken, is CB Blaziken, with Flare Blitz/SuperPower/ThunderPunch with Either Overheat/Blaze kick/Fire Blast/Sleep talk as the last move. Its worked wonders for me.
 
So from my experiences the most used are
Gallade
Crobat
Raikou
in that order, all those are way to strong for uu as are Chansey, Slaking and Slowbro.
Also as far as nfe's go most of you probly think none of them except Chansey are worth using but I have had HUGE sucess with Agility Gligar. (Gligar @ sash cant remember the nature. EQ/SE/Agility/Xscisor max Att and spd evs).
It ohkos Chansey and can take a few hits unlike other hard hitting nfes (Sneasel and Scyther)
 
Played a few more games and found a Hariyama set that works. Max defenses, adamant and thick fat gives plenty of bulk on both sides. Bulk up and sub to survive, ice punch and EQ are my attacks at the moment and work quite well. Still torn between leftovers and lum berry, as most status-causers can out run him and its hell setting up after Twave, let alone WoW or toxic.
 
petrie911 said:
Has anyone managed to get a Rain or Sun team to work? I've been trying and they do OK...but I can't seem to get one that I'd actually call good.
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I do decently with a sun team i made (Roserade/Miltank/Typhlosion/Tangrowth/Exeggutor/Houndoom). It doesnt win as much as my standard team, but can do quite good on its own
 
I only had a little time to play today but I noticed my dusclops and armaldo were very good today. Despite their poor speed they worked well on my trick room team. Not many uu pokemon can bring down dusclops especially with pain split. Also armaldo is just so powerfully that anything that can't ko it will die.
 
Ok, I've gone ahead and tested the Wynaut + BD Linoone combo.

The results right now are extremely good. All Wynaut really needs to do is come in and Encore a support/stat-up/Ghost move (be sure to Safeguard if you Encore a status move!). Then Linoone can Belly Drum with his Salac activating at 50% thanks to Gluttony, and then prepare to decimate the opponent's team.

What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that Linoone learns Seed Bomb now via Platinum tutor. This gives him very good coverage in UU, with only Steels resisting the combo. It seems like the only common Steel is Registeel, so it's not much of a problem. This moveset is the one I'm using:

Linoone @Salac Berry
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Adamant Nature
Gluttony

~ Belly Drum
~ Extremespeed
~ Seed Bomb
~ Shadow Claw

I urge you all to try the moveset out. It doesn't need Wynaut to work, but it's a lot easier to set up the drum with one. If you choose not to use Wynaut, take advantage of peoples' whoring of Ghost moves for shit like Mismagius/Espeon/Uxie/Mesprit/etc. If it's a choiced Ghost move, you may be able to bring in Linoone and possibly win the game right there with 1048 Attack after just one move. If you have Wynaut, just Encore a move that won't do damage to Linoone, Drum up and sweep. There are very few priority moves that can actually take this beast down due to the Salac activation and having his own priority move in Extremespeed. Kabutops with Aqua Jet MIGHT be a problem if he's at full health, because Aqua Jet can KO after Belly Drum, or at least come pretty close to it. However, if Kabutops is below 82%, he has a chance of being KOed by Extremespeed.

Note that I am not implying that either Wynaut or Linoone are broken. Just that this is a very potent strategy that's been bagging me many wins since I swapped Linoone into my team.
 
@ Beef 2.0: I haven't played the new uu at all, so maybe I'm completely wrong, but if you just named 6 things that are all "way too strong for uu", don't they cancel each other out in some ways? That statement just makes it seem like you are comparing the new uu to the power level of the old, which would be quite the mistake.
 
I've been using a Rain Dance team with deadly results. The only "old" BL I am currently using is Ludicolio, and it was something I threw together in about 5 minutes, but I have easily won most of my matches. Rain Dance is a suprise for all the stall teams on the ladder, cause this team beats most of them to a pulp.
 
I actually played the Suspect UU Ladder yesterday, and I got to say it was fun no doubt; old UU is blown into the winds with few if any of them seeing any game time.

For those hardcore UU players, I assume you are overwhlemed, and most likely disappointed the only good thing that came out of this is proving that BL pokemon "Kick-Ass", though the old UU is suffering quite a bit.

Why do people refer to BL as a tier, because it's not it is just a ban list from UU, if anything this shows you we can not ever merge OU/Uber together for a test like this. Though a gradual introduction would have proven tedious and most likely in-effective this big power surge in UU has been intresting to watch.

Roserade is also a great lead with 306 Speed, Sleep Powder, and a Sash but god Crobat gets on my nerves.

These are just my observations,opinions.
 
So far, the only thing that I've felt was a little have been Gallade. I'll keep playing, as there are lots of people on this ladder and someone could find a reliable counter. I haven't found one yet, but my mind is open.

I haven't really found anything else too much to deal with. Mismagius is not simple to beat, but not TOO hard, either. Raikou is easy to deal with with a layer or two of toxic spikes.
 
maddog said:
I've been using a Rain Dance team with deadly results. The only "old" BL I am currently using is Ludicolio, and it was something I threw together in about 5 minutes, but I have easily won most of my matches. Rain Dance is a suprise for all the stall teams on the ladder, cause this team beats most of them to a pulp.
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lol I'm trying to put a rain dance team together, but I don't know what to put in it. Right now, I have a gimmicky one, which has Kabutops and like 3 rain dancers lol (which somehow manages to keep games close). I guess I should fool around more and try to find out the big threats and decide that way.
 
Kalec said:
Played a few more games and found a Hariyama set that works. Max defenses, adamant and thick fat gives plenty of bulk on both sides. Bulk up and sub to survive, ice punch and EQ are my attacks at the moment and work quite well. Still torn between leftovers and lum berry, as most status-causers can out run him and its hell setting up after Twave, let alone WoW or toxic.
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From the sound of the evidence you presented and the two battles I did with that set (two with each item), I think I'd do Lum Berry.

Hariyama's tanking abilities in that set are incredible. If it starts to catch on, the results would be Hariyama possibly being banned to BL/OU.

Same goes for the Wynaut/Linoone set posted by Bologo, though I doubt a set could be banned.

Yeah, I'm just randomly testing other sets to see for myself how they do. :x
 
Tucker said:
I actually played the Suspect UU Ladder yesterday, and I got to say it was fun no doubt; old UU is blown into the winds with few if any of them seeing any game time.

For those hardcore UU players, I assume you are overwhlemed, and most likely disappointed the only good thing that came out of this is proving that BL pokemon "Kick-Ass", though the old UU is suffering quite a bit.

Why do people refer to BL as a tier, because it's not it is just a ban list from UU, if anything this shows you we can not ever merge OU/Uber together for a test like this. Though a gradual introduction would have proven tedious and most likely in-effective this big power surge in UU has been intresting to watch.
These are just my observations,opinions.
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Thats far from the truth. "Old" UU teams perform perfectly well in the new edition of the tier. Sure some things wont be able to keep up and go to NU, but a mojoity of the good UUers still work. Hypno still walls, Clefable still annoys, Swellow is still a competent sweeper, Camerupt can ruin new BL teams, Muk and Weezing are increasing in popularity(esp. Muk), Froslass is still the best suicide lead, and Absol is still a powerhouse. Dont make assumptions from playing a new metagame for a day. Most people were using mostly BLs because they were new and rarely played, and some of their popularity is already wanning
 
I've actually noticed some old UU's that are doing pretty well. Gastrodon is a decent special tank, Altaria can tear holes in teams with Outrage, and oddly enough I've had success with Relicanth putting up rocks and hitting things with head smash. Also Nidoqueen is pretty useful on my hail team to counter fighters and put up rocks and toxic spikes. Anybody else notice old UU's that are still doing well?
 
My stall team is 4/6ths old uu and it works just fine, actually. Drapion / Lapras / Hypno / Steelix or Miltank are still good Pokémon outright, and they do most of the team's work actually. Hariyama and Spiritomb do a lot less.
 
Altaria is still quite viable. Unlike Dragonair, Shelgon, and Gabite, it can heal it self reliably, has a ground immunity, and Natural Cure. With Dragon Dance it can still sweep as wel as they can with more longevity.

With so few spinners around, Toxic Spikes are becoming quite popular. I'm seeing them laid down quite often. It's a good check against the Calm Minders like Raikou and Spiritomb running around.
 
Sharpedo has won me many games now, it's a nice late game sweeper. Too bad about it's 95 speed.
 
I've been having a lot of luck with the CB Persian from the analysis as a lead. It seems like most people think its gonna be some sort of tech attacker or something because I haven't had any sweepers switched into it yet. 9 times out of 10, I get some sort of wall switched into it, which is really nice because I can screw them over with Switcheroo. I've been able to shut down CM Spirtomb, Uxie, the Regis, Slowbro, and Milotic all on the first turn.

Some of the more common leads stayed in on it sometimes. Roserade gets outsped and gets stuck with a CB while I take it's black sludge to threaten walls later. Crobat usually taunts and eats a CB STAB Return to the face for around 75%. Ambipom is kind of a toss-up since its a speed tie. I usually attack it. I was able to catch one off guard earlier and hit it with return while it tried to Sub/Agility pass.

The other poke that has really shined for me is Rest Talk Charge Beam Regice. After a couple of SpAtk boosts, Ice Beam really rips into stuff. It can take hits like crazy and even cures itself of status. I managed a 6-0 sweep with it earlier.
 
in my experience, the most common leads are:

Ambipom @Life Orb
- Fake Out
- Double Hit / Return
- U-turn
- Payback / Brick Break
eh, the new Persian... some of them carry Taunt, but it isn't common at least for me.

Crobat @Damp Rock/Lefties
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
- U-turn
- Roost
OR
- Hypnosis / Taunt
- Rain Dance
- Air Slash
- U-turn
(something like that).
The most common is the Brave Bird one, which can Taunt Froslass and Roost first so Ice Beam won't kill him if she attacks again. Rain Dance leads are starting to get common because of Rain teams which are rising quite fast as I saw playing today.

Froslass @Focus Sash
- Ice Beam
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Taunt / Shadow Ball
2 Layers of Spikes guaranteed if you are faster, more if you can predict around. Some carry Shadow Ball > Taunt for opposing Froslass, but Taunt is still a good choice to pair with Destiny Bond. My personal favorite.


I've been trying to find some anti-lead but didn't find any (tbh I didn't try much <_<), but those 3 are really the most effective and already counter each other somewhat.
 
Bologo said:
Ok, I've gone ahead and tested the Wynaut + BD Linoone combo.
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I was trying out the Advance classic of Wynaut+Bellyzard, and the combination of priority and SR makes it hard to pull off. Sub/BD/Fpunch/Tpunch@Salac seems to work best for those who want to try it. Tpunch is for the OHKO on slowbro after SR. I can't think of anything offhand that makes EQ advantageous, and Outrage and Fly also fall short of the KO on Slowbro. Fly comes close, though.

I was actually going to use Belly Drum Linoone, but for some reason I was under the impression that ES+Belly Drum was illegal. Maybe I was thinking of Azumarill...

I've been using a Rain Dance team with deadly results. The only "old" BL I am currently using is Ludicolio, and it was something I threw together in about 5 minutes, but I have easily won most of my matches. Rain Dance is a suprise for all the stall teams on the ladder, cause this team beats most of them to a pulp.
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Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, then. Advice, perhaps?
 
I adapted my OU team for the new UU environment... to lackluster results. It was difficult to find rain dancers that packed all the support moves I had become accustomed to using on OU dancers. One thing I did find was that ludicolo still makes a terrific sweeper in UU. I use the same kabutops set but unfortunately people like to use things like toxicroak in UU which I never saw in OU. At least my empoleon concerns are moot. I believe a rain teams biggest problem in UU is the lack of solid rain dancers that can support AND take hits from the likes of raikou and gallade.
 
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