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New and "creative" moveset/EV spread thread "Mark 2"
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well im back. and this is something i actually tested to decent success.
Torkoal @ Lefties
Relaxed Nature
252 HP/ 4 Atk/ 212 Def/ 40 SpA
-Lava Plume
-Stealth Rock
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin
I use this as a spinner. The EVs are almost identical to the analysis set i just wanted Lava PLume to hit harder. Stoneedge is there for Ninetales. regic,e basically anything that would normally wall the Standard saet is slapped with a hude 100 BP rock move with a high critical hit ratio. However, if you do not need Rocks, Yawn is also another option to force switches/status. DO NOT think Earth Power is sexy. I thought it was once, however the number of things you can take on plummet. Ninetale and it's beastly Sp>Def can survive, get ina NP, and Dark Pulse you to death. Raikou also likes earth Power, especially calm mind variants. If anything, go with Earthquake. However, EQ also doesnt smack around Mismagiius, so it's up to you.
Torkoal @ Lefties
Relaxed Nature
252 HP/ 4 Atk/ 212 Def/ 40 SpA
-Lava Plume
-Stealth Rock
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin
I use this as a spinner. The EVs are almost identical to the analysis set i just wanted Lava PLume to hit harder. Stoneedge is there for Ninetales. regic,e basically anything that would normally wall the Standard saet is slapped with a hude 100 BP rock move with a high critical hit ratio. However, if you do not need Rocks, Yawn is also another option to force switches/status. DO NOT think Earth Power is sexy. I thought it was once, however the number of things you can take on plummet. Ninetale and it's beastly Sp>Def can survive, get ina NP, and Dark Pulse you to death. Raikou also likes earth Power, especially calm mind variants. If anything, go with Earthquake. However, EQ also doesnt smack around Mismagiius, so it's up to you.
Might as well have Tickle/U-Turn/Rain Dance/Waterfall. Tickle+U-Turn has 'potential' to hurt something. Damp Rock should be an option, since the purpose of the set is to setup other NU (to be determined) teammates, like Seaking, who can actually hurt something.
Lumineon is likely to want all durability it can muster, to hold up to a couple of neutral hits. (ie; not wanting to lose 10% of its health per attack, when it is not likely to hurt a lot to begin with)
Meh spinner that's weak to Stealth Rock, basically a Super Delibird, I'm actually hoping 1 particular pokemon get's rapid spin next gen, but we will wait and see. Back to the set Claydol does this alot better 1 resisting Stealth Rock, and 2 Having better defenses-overall, 3 being Immune to both Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Though the ability to switch and threaten a KO on froslass is welcome granted the sash is already broken, and Claydol has Shadow Ball, and can hit both Ninetails and Raikou for super-effective.
As much as I hate bumping my own set, I really didn't get many comments on it the last time. I'd really appreciate it if people let me know what they think of it, if they think it's viable, etc. Thanks.
If I get lots of positive feedback then I might do a peer edit of it if Arcanine becomes UU and we are allowed to do them. Of course, if people don't like it, I won't.
If I get lots of positive feedback then I might do a peer edit of it if Arcanine becomes UU and we are allowed to do them. Of course, if people don't like it, I won't.
Lead Arcanine (UU)
Arcanine @ Lum Berry
Adamant - Intimidate
192 HP, 252 Atk, 64 Spe
- Flare Blitz
- Thunder Fang
- Extremespeed
- Toxic
Arcanine makes a great leading pokemon with its Extremespeed priority attack letting it take out faster foes, and a powerful Flare Blitz to hurt anything neutral that thinks about staying in. The Spe EVs let you outrun max speed Adamant Honchkrow and Timid Abomasnow, since the majority of pokemon faster than this are either taken care of by Extremespeed or Arcanine has no use outrunning. Fortuitously, by putting the remaining EVs into HP, Arcanine hits a number divisible by 4 + 1 (369), allowing it to come into SR 4 times without dying. Max attack is obvious to get the strongest hits you can with your physical attacks. Toxic allows you to wreck Arcanine's counters, as the majority of Milotic and Slowbro absolutely despise Toxic. It is also a great way to take out a 1HP Froslass who you fear will Destiny Bond. To get an idea of this things bulk, with Intimidate, it takes 25% of its health at most from Ambipom's Fake Out, meaning you can 2HKO it with Extremespeed if it stays in, or get a very powerful hit on it before it switches out.
Hey LR, that set is a bit like the one I posted in the UU thread, except yours is more offensively oriented than mine. I can certainly attest to the viability of Intimidate Arcanine in UU, given that I've had plenty of success with it myself. The thing is though I like to use it as a check to a number of powerful physical threats, whereas yours doesn't make as much use of its defensive capabilities with Flare Blitz and no Leftovers, so I'm guessing they play very differently.
I'm also not sure about how useful an unboosted Thunder Fang is in the current UU metagame, but maybe you could help fill me in on that one?
I'm also not sure about how useful an unboosted Thunder Fang is in the current UU metagame, but maybe you could help fill me in on that one?
I don't play UU much, but that Arcanine set looks good to me. However, I'd much rather use Arcanine late game as it is incredibly deadly hitting very hard from both spectrums and having Extreme Speed plus Intimidate. It's the new Flareon.
Regigigas
[SET]
name: Sweeper
move1: Substitute
move2: Return
move3: Earthquake
move4: Fire Punch / Rock Polish
item: Leftovers / Liechi Berry
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Regigigas is a much forgotten Pokemon. Great base stats get cut short all thanks to its ability, Slow Start. This means Regigigas must stall 5 turns before it gets a chance to attempt a sweep but this is harder than it sounds, seeing as Regigigas isn't even given Protect. This leaves Substitute as its best option to stall out the foe and attempt to ram through them.</p>
<p>There are two ways to use this set. The first thing you do for both, is to come in on a Pokemon who is going to switch, such a Choice Scarf Gengar locked into Shadow Ball, and set up a Substitute. From here you can either Substitute down to 25% Hit Points and let Slow Start wears off, attacking when you can, or use Rock Polish to boost your speed to help you Substitute until you can attack with full power and +2 speed.</p>
<p>Leftovers can help negate Sandstorm or Hail damage and aid in getting up another Substitute, or alternatively you can use Liechi Berry to boost your attack to over 600. Before a Rock Polish you sit at 148 speed with an Adamant nature, meaning you can only set up on slower Pokemon. After a Rock Polish however, you reach 299 or 328 speed with Adamant or Jolly, with Slow Start still activated. Once it wears off you could be running around with more speed than Choice Scarf Azelf. Jolly is better if you are not using Rock Polish.</p>
<p>Return is a must on this set, as it gives you an incredibly powerful STAB attack that will severly hurt most things that don't resist it. Ground and Normal is only resisted by 6 Pokemon (Gengar, Mismagius, Rotom, Levitate Bronzong, Skarmory, Lunatone, and Solrock), the most common of which can easily be trapped and killed. Use a good Pursuit user such as Heracross to take down Gengar and Rotom and Magnezone easily deals with the Steel-types. Fire Punch gives you something to hit Bronzong and Skarmory with, and Gengar neutrally but other options include Stone Edge and Focus Punch.</p>
<p>It is good to have some spike support when using this set, as bulkier walls like Hippowdon and Cressalia may be able to take Regigigas' hits and heal off the damage. In UU, Froslass works nicely since it take Fighting attacks and still set up Spikes. Speaking of the UU metagame, Regigigas is even more deadly in this environment as Skarmory and Bronzong don't reside here. Solrock and even the mighty Steelix can be 2HKOed, although it is more likely Hitmontop will end your sweep with a swift Mach Punch. This is definately something you should not take lightly late in the game.</p>
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This was being used against me on Shoddy and had to post it after testing it a few times. I'm pretty sure you can still Sub enough times even without Leftovers, to let Slow Start end. If not I am sorry.
Regigigas
[SET]
name: Sweeper
move1: Substitute
move2: Return
move3: Earthquake
move4: Fire Punch / Rock Polish
item: Leftovers / Liechi Berry
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Regigigas is a much forgotten Pokemon. Great base stats get cut short all thanks to its ability, Slow Start. This means Regigigas must stall 5 turns before it gets a chance to attempt a sweep but this is harder than it sounds, seeing as Regigigas isn't even given Protect. This leaves Substitute as its best option to stall out the foe and attempt to ram through them.</p>
<p>There are two ways to use this set. The first thing you do for both, is to come in on a Pokemon who is going to switch, such a Choice Scarf Gengar locked into Shadow Ball, and set up a Substitute. From here you can either Substitute down to 25% Hit Points and let Slow Start wears off, attacking when you can, or use Rock Polish to boost your speed to help you Substitute until you can attack with full power and +2 speed.</p>
<p>Leftovers can help negate Sandstorm or Hail damage and aid in getting up another Substitute, or alternatively you can use Liechi Berry to boost your attack to over 600. Before a Rock Polish you sit at 148 speed with an Adamant nature, meaning you can only set up on slower Pokemon. After a Rock Polish however, you reach 299 or 328 speed with Adamant or Jolly, with Slow Start still activated. Once it wears off you could be running around with more speed than Choice Scarf Azelf. Jolly is better if you are not using Rock Polish.</p>
<p>Return is a must on this set, as it gives you an incredibly powerful STAB attack that will severly hurt most things that don't resist it. Ground and Normal is only resisted by 6 Pokemon (Gengar, Mismagius, Rotom, Levitate Bronzong, Skarmory, Lunatone, and Solrock), the most common of which can easily be trapped and killed. Use a good Pursuit user such as Heracross to take down Gengar and Rotom and Magnezone easily deals with the Steel-types. Fire Punch gives you something to hit Bronzong and Skarmory with, and Gengar neutrally but other options include Stone Edge and Focus Punch.</p>
<p>It is good to have some spike support when using this set, as bulkier walls like Hippowdon and Cressalia may be able to take Regigigas' hits and heal off the damage. In UU, Froslass works nicely since it take Fighting attacks and still set up Spikes. Speaking of the UU metagame, Regigigas is even more deadly in this environment as Skarmory and Bronzong don't reside here. Solrock and even the mighty Steelix can be 2HKOed, although it is more likely Hitmontop will end your sweep with a swift Mach Punch. This is definately something you should not take lightly late in the game.</p>
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This was being used against me on Shoddy and had to post it after testing it a few times. I'm pretty sure you can still Sub enough times even without Leftovers, to let Slow Start end. If not I am sorry.
From The Inside (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/176 Spd/82 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Calm Mind
My Jira, nothing major, common ev's, but Reflect + CM works. EQ baiter, for those pesky Swamp/Hippos, with the sweeping possibility. Mauled by Heatran tough.
I don't play UU much, but that Arcanine set looks good to me. However, I'd much rather use Arcanine late game as it is incredibly deadly hitting very hard from both spectrums and having Extreme Speed plus Intimidate. It's the new Flareon.
Regigigas
[SET]
name: Sweeper
move1: Substitute
move2: Return
move3: Earthquake
move4: Fire Punch / Rock Polish
item: Leftovers / Liechi Berry
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Regigigas is a much forgotten Pokemon. Great base stats get cut short all thanks to its ability, Slow Start. This means Regigigas must stall 5 turns before it gets a chance to attempt a sweep but this is harder than it sounds, seeing as Regigigas isn't even given Protect. This leaves Substitute as its best option to stall out the foe and attempt to ram through them.</p>
<p>There are two ways to use this set. The first thing you do for both, is to come in on a Pokemon who is going to switch, such a Choice Scarf Gengar locked into Shadow Ball, and set up a Substitute. From here you can either Substitute down to 25% Hit Points and let Slow Start wears off, attacking when you can, or use Rock Polish to boost your speed to help you Substitute until you can attack with full power and +2 speed.</p>
<p>Leftovers can help negate Sandstorm or Hail damage and aid in getting up another Substitute, or alternatively you can use Liechi Berry to boost your attack to over 600. Before a Rock Polish you sit at 148 speed with an Adamant nature, meaning you can only set up on slower Pokemon. After a Rock Polish however, you reach 299 or 328 speed with Adamant or Jolly, with Slow Start still activated. Once it wears off you could be running around with more speed than Choice Scarf Azelf. Jolly is better if you are not using Rock Polish.</p>
<p>Return is a must on this set, as it gives you an incredibly powerful STAB attack that will severly hurt most things that don't resist it. Ground and Normal is only resisted by 4 Pokemon (Levitate Bronzong, Skarmory, Lunatone, and Solrock), the two most common of which can easily be taken care of with Magnezone support. Fire Punch gives you something to hit Bronzong and Skarmory with, but other options include Stone Edge and Focus Punch.</p>
<p>It is good to have some spike support when using this set, as bulkier walls like Hippowdon and Cressalia may be able to take Regigigas' hits and heal off the damage. In UU, Froslass works nicely since it take Fighting attacks and still set up Spikes. Speaking of the UU metagame, Regigigas is even more deadly in this environment as Skarmory and Bronzong don't reside here. Solrock and even the mighty Steelix can be 2HKOed, although it is more likely Hitmontop will end your sweep with a swift Mach Punch. This is definately something you should not take lightly late in the game.</p>
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This was being used against me on Shoddy and had to post it after testing it a few times. I'm pretty sure you can still Sub enough times even without Leftovers, to let Slow Start end. If not I am sorry.
I really like this Regigigas set (which is saying something).. in theory, and in UU. I'd probably Rock Polish on the first turn, hopefully a switch, so that I'd basically be faster then everything, and be able to keep using Substitute.
You say only four Pokemon resist Normal/Ground, but don't forget about Rotom/Mismagius you'll be helpess against in UU, and Gengar in OU. In fact, I would never use this in OU, where many, many Pokemon can use 2-3 turns to setup on Regigigas hiding behind his Substitute, then proceed to annihlate him with priority moves, Taunt him, Roar him away.. etc, etc.
Sleep-Talk Regi
Ability : Slow Start
Adamant Nature
EV: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Speed
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Return
-Earthquake
This set takes advantage of Slow Start. In 5 turns you will probably be hurt before you reach 5 turns. The problem with Thunder Wave to stall out opponents is that a ground type could switch in on it. I decided to come up with SleepTalk Regi. It stops people from giving you status while having to heal some HP. It could take hits with incredible 110 / 110 Defense and Special Defense. SleepTalk until you get your stats back to normal and hit hard with Return as your main attack and Earthquake is to prevent Steel types, Rock types from walling you. If you plan to use this in UU, I suggest taking out Mismagius first as this set completely walls it. If you plan to use this in OU, take out Gengar is it walls it also.
Regigigas doesn't learn Rest.
Wow, then. As if I already knew it lacked healing ability. It doesn't learn rest too? This pokemon is utter fail. I thought I could make good of "rest" if it had it. Guess the set is a fail.
lol. I didn't look at the obvious Pokemon. Still, Pursuit handles those threats pretty well.
I don't expect Regigigas to be in UU for all that long, so I've been using it in OU. Works well against offensive teams, since most lack something to Roar me away or much set up, but then again I could just attack behind the sub if they tried that. I don't think a Salamance would like any kind of STAB Returns. Yeah, you could Rock Polish first but you'd only be at 299 Speed and thus there are still many thinks faster than you.
While looking at Regigigas' analysis page for awhile, I too noticed that it did not get rest. God, Gamefreak is so stupid. Why give a Pokemon all those stats if you are going to make it suck.
I said it was nothing major... still, it works differently.
No it's not. Superachi is meant to Calm Mind once or twice for a quick sweep, whereas his set is clearly meant to take some hits, due to max HP and Reflect.
That set came to me in 5 seconds and took 1 min to write up. I don't think that is trying too hard. I just figured it needed a healing ability, after finding out it didn't get that.. it was disappointing. I was planning to use it too. Fill me in because I only bleed green, Regigigas is not the useless pokemon?
So he switched the SpA and HP EVs. It still looks like a carbon copy of Superachi. Yes, I understand that it is meant to take hits, but then what?
Regigigas doesn't learn Pursuit.. and even if he did, you're really limiting his ability to stall. You might as well use what he's decent with, a support set. Otherwise, you're likely to outdamage Regigigas with the other powerful Normal types that populate UU, while you're just trying to scrape by for five turns with Regi.
Hi guys, I got banned. :P
During the time I was banned, I got into Uber, and having a few uber matches before (in the Smogon Tournament, boredom). I felt like playing it. But this time, I decided to play it a different way---NO-UBER!
I've made a team already, and I am going to post it in the RMT soon, it's not that it's horrible, I've actually got the team working in uber environment. This set I am posting here is one of the team's member. You could say it's the soul of my team.
I present:
Parasect-Uber Style
@leftovers
248hp/96def/156sp.def/10atk
Adamant
Dry Skin ( Ya see why now? But there's even more to it. ;3)
-Spore
-Stun Spore
-Seed Bomb
-Light Screen/X-scissor/Aromatherapy
The reasons this set is very viable in uber, are its typing (which seem bad in all metagame) and it's ability (Dry Skin). I'll start with the ability.
The ability allows it to take any choiced water attack from either Kyogore or Palkia. It not only absorb the damage and heal itself, it also force a switch. That means sporing time. Getting a pokemon sleep is that easy. Now if the pokemon isn't a sleep talker, they would like to switch. Now, it's stun sporing time. Getting 1/3 of a team status crippled in just two shakes of spores. After that, get the hell out of there if it's groundon or garchomp or rayquaza, especially groundon (its sun hurt Parascet, *cough*SunScreen*cough*.
Now onto it's typing. It's typing get absolutely owned by fire types (8 times weak due to Dry Skin). Grass is an awesome typing in Uber IMO, this helps the insect take the common thunder, from anything. Bug type help it take aura sphere, which is found in almost every uber's move pool. This also make an oppotunity for a switch in. The next thing is the huge 4 times ground resistance. Makes a great switch in to groundon even though the sun hurt it.
The evs allow it to be 2HKO by max+ scarf Kyogore's ice beam, 3HKO to 4HKO by specs Kyogore thunder, 5HKO by Specs Palkia Aura Sphere, 5HKO by CB Groundon's Earthquake, and 3HKO by uber trapper Scizor's Bullet Punch. There way more and I am not listing them all out.
The atk allows it to 3HKO 0/0 Groundon and 2HKO 252/0 kyogore 57% of the time. Seed bomb is to hit these two specifically. I can't think of any better attack that can work in uber (e.g. Pursuit is too weak, X-Scissor can hit Psychics and it's already an option).
Light Screen is to support the team on the special side, as the Uber team is speciall based, and Parasect doesn't get Reflect. Aromatherapy is to help with status.
The stats are 327hp/220def/250atk/235sp.def/X/X
If you want to confirm my claims in the comment, help yourself out. I did it using this: http://libelldra.com/competitive/damage/
If someone already posted something exactly like this or better, I didn't know.
Note: This is not something I just pull off of my head, I did so much testing and calcs that I pretty much remembered the stat of the ubers. I don't want anyone to use this thing yet, cuz I don't want to face someone with this. If you really want to try it out, ask me, or wait until I get of the uber ladder.
During the time I was banned, I got into Uber, and having a few uber matches before (in the Smogon Tournament, boredom). I felt like playing it. But this time, I decided to play it a different way---NO-UBER!
I've made a team already, and I am going to post it in the RMT soon, it's not that it's horrible, I've actually got the team working in uber environment. This set I am posting here is one of the team's member. You could say it's the soul of my team.
I present:
Parasect-Uber Style
@leftovers
248hp/96def/156sp.def/10atk
Adamant
Dry Skin ( Ya see why now? But there's even more to it. ;3)
-Spore
-Stun Spore
-Seed Bomb
-Light Screen/X-scissor/Aromatherapy
The reasons this set is very viable in uber, are its typing (which seem bad in all metagame) and it's ability (Dry Skin). I'll start with the ability.
The ability allows it to take any choiced water attack from either Kyogore or Palkia. It not only absorb the damage and heal itself, it also force a switch. That means sporing time. Getting a pokemon sleep is that easy. Now if the pokemon isn't a sleep talker, they would like to switch. Now, it's stun sporing time. Getting 1/3 of a team status crippled in just two shakes of spores. After that, get the hell out of there if it's groundon or garchomp or rayquaza, especially groundon (its sun hurt Parascet, *cough*SunScreen*cough*.
Now onto it's typing. It's typing get absolutely owned by fire types (8 times weak due to Dry Skin). Grass is an awesome typing in Uber IMO, this helps the insect take the common thunder, from anything. Bug type help it take aura sphere, which is found in almost every uber's move pool. This also make an oppotunity for a switch in. The next thing is the huge 4 times ground resistance. Makes a great switch in to groundon even though the sun hurt it.
The evs allow it to be 2HKO by max+ scarf Kyogore's ice beam, 3HKO to 4HKO by specs Kyogore thunder, 5HKO by Specs Palkia Aura Sphere, 5HKO by CB Groundon's Earthquake, and 3HKO by uber trapper Scizor's Bullet Punch. There way more and I am not listing them all out.
The atk allows it to 3HKO 0/0 Groundon and 2HKO 252/0 kyogore 57% of the time. Seed bomb is to hit these two specifically. I can't think of any better attack that can work in uber (e.g. Pursuit is too weak, X-Scissor can hit Psychics and it's already an option).
Light Screen is to support the team on the special side, as the Uber team is speciall based, and Parasect doesn't get Reflect. Aromatherapy is to help with status.
The stats are 327hp/220def/250atk/235sp.def/X/X
If you want to confirm my claims in the comment, help yourself out. I did it using this: http://libelldra.com/competitive/damage/
If someone already posted something exactly like this or better, I didn't know.
Note: This is not something I just pull off of my head, I did so much testing and calcs that I pretty much remembered the stat of the ubers. I don't want anyone to use this thing yet, cuz I don't want to face someone with this. If you really want to try it out, ask me, or wait until I get of the uber ladder.
While different, the concept of Parasect in ubers isn't.
The Uber Thread had a small discussion over him.
The Uber Thread had a small discussion over him.
I'm using that Cacturne set in my UU Trick Room team. It does that job quite well and has great coverage to hit opponents really hard.
Cacturne @ Life Orb
EVS: 100 HP/ 158 Atk/252 SpA
0 Speed IVs Quiet Nature
~ SuperPower
~ Dark Pulse
~ Energy Ball / Grass Knot
~ Destiny Bond
The idea is simple - just switch in and hit as hard as possible. Dark+Grass+Fight has great coverage and I'm almost sure that it's not resisted in UU tier. 158 Atk EVs are enough to OHKO offensive Tauros with Intimidiate factored in by SuperPower. Destiny Bond is great move, when you're ready to sacrifice Cacturne. With 103 Speed under Trick Room you're outspeeding almost anything. The difference between Grass Knot and Energy Ball is in OHKO on Milotic (Grass Knot) or Lanturn (Energy Ball). I'm using Energy Ball, in UU it's a bit more reliable. Rest of EVs went to HP to give him a little bit of bulk. But if you think that you don't need those HP EVs, just max out attack. Your choice ;).
Cacturne @ Life Orb
EVS: 100 HP/ 158 Atk/252 SpA
0 Speed IVs Quiet Nature
~ SuperPower
~ Dark Pulse
~ Energy Ball / Grass Knot
~ Destiny Bond
The idea is simple - just switch in and hit as hard as possible. Dark+Grass+Fight has great coverage and I'm almost sure that it's not resisted in UU tier. 158 Atk EVs are enough to OHKO offensive Tauros with Intimidiate factored in by SuperPower. Destiny Bond is great move, when you're ready to sacrifice Cacturne. With 103 Speed under Trick Room you're outspeeding almost anything. The difference between Grass Knot and Energy Ball is in OHKO on Milotic (Grass Knot) or Lanturn (Energy Ball). I'm using Energy Ball, in UU it's a bit more reliable. Rest of EVs went to HP to give him a little bit of bulk. But if you think that you don't need those HP EVs, just max out attack. Your choice ;).
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