But also refuses to admit that they are " easy "
What do you mean by easy?
i really want to vote, but I am never able to get the rating. My deviation is OK, but I am never able to cross 1450 in rating.
Hopefully the rating requirements are a bit lower this time?
By easy, i mean said person will not agree or admit, that winning with Hail teams is incredibly easy. That said, no disrespect to this person as a battler, but you can win with Hail against an average player with ease, without being remotely good at this.
maybe you missed the part where they said subpunchAlso, Abomanasnow does not even care about Azumarill whatsoever.
By easy, i mean said person will not agree or admit, that winning with Hail teams is incredibly easy. That said, no disrespect to this person as a battler, but you can win with Hail against an average player with ease, without being remotely good at this.
Im pretty the BL/UU Vote with the rating is AFTER the resets.
Exclamation Point said:However, I personally have trouble showing respect to players who use known "broken" teams. Ugh.. I can't believe I'm actually getting worked up over this...
Well, like Kung Foo master Li Mu Bi put it-
" Real skill comes without effort "
SubPunch can be beaten by Protect/Blizard Alternation. Protect on the punch, Blizzard on the sub. However, I am not sure whether a Blizzard from a 252 Sp Attack Abomanasnow will break the sub :( How many Focus Punches can he take? And how many subs can Azu make if effected by both Toxic and Leech seed?
By easy, i mean said person will not agree or admit, that winning with Hail teams is incredibly easy. That said, no disrespect to this person as a battler, but one can win with Hail against an average player with ease, without being remotely good at this.
Are we assuming that January statistics will come out before February 5th? If I am to be nominating suspects, I really would want to consult useage statistics and possibly even X-Act's diversity numbers to see if I have a valid case for such a Pokemon. This is not so much nessecay now, as the below paragraph indicates, but what about the actual voting in a months time, will we wait for statistics then? I would like to have all the possible evidence available before I make my vote.
-Abamasnow blizzards/seeds/toxics
-Azum Subs
-Abamasnow Protects
-Azum Punches (fails)
-Abamasnow Blizzards <Sub probably doesn't break, you need a boost>
-Azum Punches regardless [1hko!]
Except these "simple measures" include one option: Clefable+HariyamaThe issue really isn't whether or not a team is "easy" in my opinion. The issue is whether or not it is broken. If a team is easy to operate with minimal prediction, but is still able to be countered with some relatively simple measures, it is just as viable as a team that is difficult to operate. The only thing we should be focused on when voting in suspects is whether or not said pokemon provides an unfair advantage or not (which has already been discussed at length.
Of course, I'm not the most experienced at competitive battling, so take my input with a grain of salt.
If I might ask, have you ever USED a Hail team? They are not an "I win button", and have very clear weaknesses that can be exploited. I get the feeling from your posts that you didn't know how to handle Pokemon like Walrein, and it was causing frustration for you. Now that methods have been presented for dealing with Hail, perhaps you should try again? And try a Hail team yourself. Watching how people deal with your team, and how effective it is for you, might give some insight. It certainly changed my mind on the matter a bit.
Except these "simple measures" include one option: Clefable+Hariyama
If Hail teams were that obscenely powerful, I think we'd see more complaints about them. They are GOOD, but not overpowered. There is a very key difference from being incredibly effective and being overpowered. Hail is rough for people who don't consider it when choosing Pokemon, but can be worked around without going out of one's way, which in my opinion keeps it from being broken.Hail is one of those things that are beatable, but they do not require any sort of skill to use effectively, and it provides a monstrous advantage with the UU sweepers only carrying items such as Choice Items/Life Orb, and being unable to recover(unlike Salamence or Latias for example) like the sweepers in OU.
As good as Subpunch is once you get the Sub up, you lose to toxic Walrein if he has toxic and you don't have a sub up (because, sad as it is, Walrein outspeeds you O_o)
Are we assuming that January statistics will come out before February 5th? If I am to be nominating suspects, I really would want to consult useage statistics and possibly even X-Act's diversity numbers to see if I have a valid case for such a Pokemon. This is not so much necessary now, as the below paragraph indicates, but what about the actual voting in a months time, will we wait for statistics then? I would like to have all the possible evidence available before I make my vote.
Actually, on the contrary, I was trying to say the same thing as you? I was tring to ask you about Azumarill's sub and Abomanasnow's defense. However wouldn't Azumarill be switching into Abomanansnow, therefore taking too much damage from the seeds and toxic. (If Azu switched in) therefore, taking both. I think this could possibly kill it if it landed on SR. Either way, it is dead the next turn.