Den of Two Dragons: OU RMT

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Den of Two Dragons​
Alright, it's been a while since I last wrote a RMT but I couldn't pass up the opportunity with this team. This team basically started up as a compilation of my favorite looking pokemon. But after tweaking and testing I found that this team actually worked quite nicely. The teams strategy revolves around my two favorite dragon type pokemon, Latias and Salamence. They play a game of hit and run with Specs Draco Meteors, ripping huge holes in the opposing team. Through team support it becomes pretty easy to repeatedly switch both of them in.

So here it is:


AERODACTYL
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Aerodactyl (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
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After much deliberation, and although I truly hate suicide leads, I have finally decided that Aerodactyl would be the best lead for this team. The reasoning behind this is simply the blistering fast Taunt. This team is wrecked by Stealth Rocks since it relys heavily on hit and runs by Salamence and repeated switches by Gyarados to handle some key threats like Heatran and Scizor. Aerodactyl also provides guaranteed Stealth Rocks pretty much every time, which of course for an offensive teams is pretty key. As for the attacking moves I've decided to go with Rock Slide as my primary STAB over Stone Edge because of the obvious accuracy issues and the sweet flinch rate. Earthquake is there kind of there just as a filler, but it provides some type coverage against steel types, fire types, electric types, and rock types. Overall a great lead, and despite the fact that I don't like suicide leads I completely love this one.

SCIZOR
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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit
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Ah, what team is complete without a Scizor right? To be honest I downright hate it, but it provides an absolutely necessary role for this team; A slow U-Turn. This team relys so heavily on Salamence and Latias that I can't have them taking unnecessary blows, resisted or not. By using Scizor as a punching bag, Salamence and Latias can come out for free, and often times that means KO time. Apart from the powerful U-Turns Scizor also provides the team with a great revenge killer. We all already know how great CB Bullet Punch is so lets not get into that. Apart from those two moves the rest of his moveset gets very little use. Pursuit was added so that I would not have to risk a speed tie with my Latias, and trapping ghosts is fun too. Superpower is just for hitting other Scizors and other fighting weak pokemon hard, admittedly though it gets little use. I was hoping to revamp Scizor to a more special defensive build for handling opposing Latias better, and maybe dropping the CB for leftovers with Roost over Superpower, but we'll discuss that in a bit.

GYARADOS
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Gyarados (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Taunt
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Gyarados, my main answer to tons of threats. Everything from fighting attacks, to steel and water resists, fire and ground attacks. This guy takes the brunt of the beating along with Scizor. Gyarados is also my main answer to pesky stall teams. Gyarados used to be my lead and it worked nicely for a while, but SR was getting to be way to much for Salamence to handle so this happened. There are still remenents of the lead Gyarados, mainly Taunt. Taunt has proved to be a great assett in many battles and often provides Latias and Salamence switches without the fear of a status move ruining my chances to win. Waterfall is obviously there for it's main STAB. Earthquake, well I just plain like it, although sometimes I wish I had Ice Fang. Dragon Dance was added after it's switch from lead, but it proves very useful as a mid-game sweeping threat and allows me access to quick taunts and such. Pretty great pokemon.

LATIAS
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Latias (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic
- Thunder
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Latias, the first of the two dragons. SpecsLatias is a force to be reckoned with. Latias seriously packs a huge wallop. Draco Meteor is her main weapon of choice, obliterating pretty much anything in its path. Even steel types take a huge amount of damage, softening them up for Gyarados later. Blissey is a nuisance to this set, although not many Choiced Special attackers enjoy Blissey all to much either. The other moves on her set are pretty much fillers, sometimes I'll use Thunder against rain teams but other than that I just take potshots at the opposing team with Draco Meteor. Dragon Pulse is there simply for a secondary STAB option and for late game sweeps. Latias also boasts a great amount of resistances. Those resistances paired up with taunts from the other team members give her alot of chances to switch in for small amounts of damage or on a predicted Eathquake.

LUCARIO
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Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Extremespeed
- Swords Dance
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Lucario is here to take advantage of the Pursuit bait that is Latias. Latias attracts Tyranitars like a moths to a flame, and Lucario is here to take advantage of it's 4x dark resistance and Swords Dance. Lucario also provides easy KO's against Blisseys that try and come wall Latias. This is a basic SDLuke that works quite nicely when its counters have been eliminated, which isn't too hard seeing as Gyarados is Rotom bait and it gets OHKO'ed by Latias Draco Meteor. Lucario makes a nice addition to this team, patching up any holes that Latias might have left behind. Not to mention that the synergy between Latias and Lucario is perfect.

SALAMENCE
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Salamence (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump
- Dragon Pulse
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The second of the two dragons, Salamence. SpecsMence is an absolute monster. Just like Latias, It demolishes anything but Blissey, and takes a huge chunk off of any steel type that switches in. Salamence though has the added bonus of also carrying some of the most powerful moves in the game, Fire Blast and Hydro Pump. Fire Blast is great for nailing Steel types looking to switch in on the expected dragon attack, and Hydro Pump's great neutral coverage often nets me some interesting KO's. Again Dragon Pulse was added as its secondary STAB option for late game sweeping. Salamence also gets lots of easy switches with its great resistances and Ground immunities, which when paired up with Gyarados's and Aerodactyl's taunt work nicely for scoring KO's. Salamence, like Latias, relys on hit and run tactics but is greatly weakend by its SR weakness, SO keeping SR off the field is a must.​
 
I can't really do a full rate but I like this team, and with a few changes it has a lot of potential. At a first glance, you have two choice specs users, and you'll have a tough time with Blissey, as no one in there right mind will keep a Blissey in on a Lucario, so you'll have to resort to pursuiting it every time it switches in. The problem with pursuiting it with Scizor is that a lot of Blisseys carry Flamethrower, which will do a hell of a lot, as you get stuck on pursuit. One way to fix this, is to make Salamence mixed. He will give you an effective wall breaker which your team desires and helps with your little Blissey problem(every team with Specslati has a Blissey problem).

Salamence @ Life Orb
Evs: 80 Atk/252 SpAtk/176 Spe
Rash
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Brick Break
- Roost

You still get to "rip apart the metagame" with the insanely broken Draco Meteor, along with a little more freedom in him. You get to 2HKO Blissey, making it a lot easier to take care of, allowing repeated switches and alot more damage output with those special attacks. The power drop between Choice and Life Orb is barely noticeable with Draco Meteor, and you get the freedon of switching attacks. I don't really know what else to say except Try it ^_^

With your current moveset on Lucario, Adamant is the prefered option to OHKO swampert, Hippowdon, etc(with Stealth Rock) after a Swords Dance boost. Jolly is really overated anyway, as all of Lucario's counters now are made to outspeed him i.e. Gliscor.

With Latias, if you use psychic, say hello to Tyranitar and a nice Pursuit or Crunch in your face.Everything you use for psychic will easily get OHKOed by a full power Draco Meteor(Infernape, Heracross, Machamp). Why use Thunder also? Rain Dance teams can't get rain up with your Aerodactyl lead. Use Surf over Psychic, and either Trick or Thunderbolt over Thunder. And BTW you have to do that.

The rest of the team is pretty good, but Don't use max hp on scizor. It will make you Stealth Rock weak. Use a spread of 248 Hp/252 Atk/8 Spe, to hit 343, which is odd, so your good. Also Take Those Hp evs off of Gyarados, as they make you stealth rock weak as well.

I hope I helped, and if you need anymore help, reply back here, and we'll help you the best we can. (I guess it kinda turned out to be a full rate).

Good Luck
 
A 200 HP, 252 Atk and 56 Spd or 56 Atk, 200 HP and 252 Sp. Def with an adamant or careful nature respectively works better for scizor.
 
Your team is really very powerful offensively!

However,

Stealth ROcks really will HURT your team.
(eg: Salamence,Gyara,Aerotyle)

Secondly, Scizor and Luke are weakness to fire.
I think you would switch to one of your dragons to take the hit but they would really take some damage from SR especially MENCE.

Next, having 2 Specs users may have blissey problems.
Salamence is better a Mix sweeper with DDance or more physical.
Solves your potential blissey problems.
Keeping Latias Specs is ok. however the moveset IMO is not really fully functional.
Try:
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
T-BOlt
Flamethrower/FireBlast/Surf

Lastly, i suggest that you change your Gyarados to be a BULKYGYARA.
Gyarados seems to be your only tank taking alot of hits aimed at your other pokemon. Having it in a Bulky Gyara form would keep it alive much longer IMO.

just some of my thoughts.
i believe this team has lots of potential.
Good luck with your team! =D
 
Thanks for the rates. I know Blissey is a problem but adding the life orb to Salamence really hurts his survivability. SR, Sandstorm, and Life Orb really add up and Salamence is such a vital part of the team, I really don't want to do that.

To be honest, I never use psychic on Latias. Draco Meteor is usually a two hit KO on Tyranitar anyways, so I always use it unless of course its the late game in which case Dragon Pulse works better. So Surf is in. As for Thunder, it's another pretty filler move but yeah I dont know. Maybe T-bolt over Thunder, just for the accuracy I suppose.

Adamant Lucario is pretty much better, I'll make that change.

I really like the alternate Scizor spread suggested by -_-. It works nicely for taking on those stupid Latias, would dropping CB and adding Roost instead of Super Power be an okay choice?

Im also considering making Gyarados slightly more bulky just because of the amount of blow he takes every battle, but I'm not quite sure what spread Im going to run quite yet. Suggestions would be nice.
 
Fenix said:
Thanks for the rates. I know Blissey is a problem but adding the life orb to Salamence really hurts his survivability. SR, Sandstorm, and Life Orb really add up and Salamence is such a vital part of the team, I really don't want to do that.
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This is completely irrelevent, as Salamence has roost to restore 50% of its health, which Specsmence cannot do...Mixmence is too good to pass up on this team, and I will expalin later.

To be honest, I never use psychic on Latias. Draco Meteor is usually a two hit KO on Tyranitar anyways, so I always use it unless of course its the late game in which case Dragon Pulse works better. So Surf is in. As for Thunder, it's another pretty filler move but yeah I dont know. Maybe T-bolt over Thunder, just for the accuracy I suppose.

Adamant Lucario is pretty much better, I'll make that change.

I really like the alternate Scizor spread suggested by -_-. It works nicely for taking on those stupid Latias, would dropping CB and adding Roost instead of Super Power be an okay choice?

Im also considering making Gyarados slightly more bulky just because of the amount of blow he takes every battle, but I'm not quite sure what spread Im going to run quite yet. Suggestions would be nice.
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Before I rant, I have used this team extensively, and with my changes it performs much better than your current team.

Without Mixmence, you get 6-0ed easily by stall. You have no mix sweepers to consistently damage the opposing teams' pokemon. With your current team Blissey can wall Latias and Salamence all day, Forretress/Skarmory will hopelessly wall Scizor, and Lucario has a lot of trouble against them without a Swords dance boost, Rotom-A is very popular on a stall team, and many use choice scarf, so Gyarados is easily revenge killed, and Lucario is so weak defensively that a Thunderbolt or an Overheat will OHKO it, not to mention that Celebi can wall Gyarados to no end. Aerodactyl loses out to Swampert and Hippowdon leads(surf or stone edge respectively). You have to have mixmence for these reasons. Blissey is no longer a problem as you have Brick Break to easily 2HKO it, Forretress/Skarm are easily OHKOed by Fire Blast, while A Fire Blast can do upwards of 97.03% to Max/min Hp/SpDef Celebi. Draco Meteor will OHKO anything not named Blissey so Hippowdon and Rotom-A are gone.

Adding Mixmence to your team will eliminate your stall problems, and it WILL be your best pokemon, and contrary stated above in the first sentence, Salamence has Roost, which prolongs your suvivability. Trust me, he will be your last pokemon standing when you play, and your most used.

CB scizor is your revenge killer and your check for dd-tar, dd-mence, latias, gengar, breloom, and countless others. It needs to power of Choice band, and it can take a hit form latias, so my suggestion is best. If you want a Special Defensive spread, try this: 100 hp/ 252 atk/ 156 spef, adamant, or something of that accord. don't ever use careful on a cb scizor. The power loss is too great...

As for Gyarados, this is an offensive team, and bulky gyara just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, sure it'll prolong its survivability, but he does so much for this team offensively,I think it's a big mistake if you do it, but if you try it out, don't do it with your laddering account.

I hope this is enough to make your decision, and this is a team which mixmence should thrive.
 
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