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[ΩDonut]

2. As the date change may cause the Journal to appear you should go into the game as quickly as possible, cancel the Journal and save. This should still give you enough time for the next timed reset.

This part needs to go. This is the part that has so many people resaving over and over, trying to get the consistent frame they once had during their calibration phase.

Instead, you should include the journal's frame increase when searching for a good spread. This enables you to change to any date you want without having to resave. It also allows you to advance the frame using the journal so you look for spreads in higher frames.

And unless you're being a stickler and only looking for spreads within the current year, you should have no problems searching for a flawless spread. It's much easier to search for a spread on a different date than it is to resave and recalibrate for a new consistent frame. So yes, it does help with consistency - it keeps you from losing it.

Doing the flips isn't the best way to go always. I checked the lists genereated and a good frame didn't come up till over 1000, sometimes over 10,000.

Really? You typed in 10,000 numbers to test that?

Within 2009 alone I found spreads for:

31\B\B\B\31\31 (frame 9)
31\31\A\A\31\A (frame 12)
31\A\31\31\B\B (frame 20)
31\A\B\31\31\B (frame 21)
31\31\31\A\A\B (frames 26 and 30)
31\A\A\A\31\31 (frame 32)
31\A\31\A\A\31 (also frame 32)
A\B\31\31\A\31 (frame 34)
A\B\31\31\31\A (frame 35)

And I stopped there because it looks like I could find a spread for just about anything if I just went up to frame 100. This is assuming delays of 599-601; if you change years to get access to even higher delays then there's no way you can NOT get the perfect spread for whatever your situation.

Note: I searched in November; that generally includes all the good spreads found in the previous months.

mingot, maybe the Egg IV Timefinder should be tweaked to search multiple frames at once. (Also maybe a warning for those who try to search with really large parameters?)

 

[LightningFusion]

This part needs to go. This is the part that has so many people resaving over and over, trying to get the consistent frame they once had during their calibration phase.

Instead, you should include the journal's frame increase when searching for a good spread. This enables you to change to any date you want without having to resave. It also allows you to advance the frame using the journal so you look for spreads in higher frames.

And unless you're being a stickler and only looking for spreads within the current year, you should have no problems searching for a flawless spread.



Really? You typed in 10,000 numbers to test that?

Within 2009 alone I found spreads for:

31\B\B\B\31\31 (frame 9)
31\31\A\A\31\A (frame 12)
31\A\31\31\B\B (frame 20)
31\A\B\31\31\B (frame 21)
31\31\31\A\A\B (frames 26 and 30)
31\A\A\A\31\31 (frame 32)
31\A\31\A\A\31 (also frame 32)
A\B\31\31\A\31 (frame 34)
A\B\31\31\31\A (frame 35)

And I stopped there because it looks like I could find a spread for just about anything if I just went up to frame 100. This is assuming delays of 599-601; if you change years to get access to even higher delays then there's no way you can NOT get the perfect spread for whatever your situation.

Note: I searched in November; that generally includes all the good spreads found in the previous months.

mingot, maybe the Egg IV Timefinder should be tweaked to search multiple frames at once. (Also maybe a warning for those who try to search with really large parameters?)

Sorry, my bad, I misunderstood it for some reason. The only problem would be finding a spread that you could use, with good parents it would be easy, with bad ones it may be harder.

 

[mingot]

This part needs to go. This is the part that has so many people resaving over and over, trying to get the consistent frame they once had during their calibration phase.

Which is why I took any mention of frames out of the calibration steps a while back. It was silly because because as you mention, what happens during calibration is not what happens during the actually soft reset.

Instead, you should include the journal's frame increase when searching for a good spread. This enables you to change to any date you want without having to resave. It also allows you to advance the frame using the journal so you look for spreads in higher frames.

This sort of upends the current process and means a a rewrite of the whole thing (documentationwise). For the third time, too. Not the end of the world, but not something I had planned to have to do again. Anyhow, the new process would be to put in parents as good as you have them, note the IVs, and then check out your offset a few times when just canceling the journal and finally searching for some suitable with that offset to actually reset on. Seems like it would be a more complicated set of directions which is a bummer because people have a hard time grasping the ones that are there now.

And unless you're being a stickler and only looking for spreads within the current year, you should have no problems searching for a flawless spread. It's much easier to search for a spread on a different date than it is to resave and recalibrate for a new consistent frame. So yes, it does help with consistency - it keeps you from losing it.

Ok, fair enough, there are usually always some spreads on any given offsets.

Note: I searched in November; that generally includes all the good spreads found in the previous months.

Yes, November is a "magic" month that basically makes it explore all 256 combination for the high two bytes of the seed. I'd really like to go away from how it is now and make it more like the capture finder in that it finds spreads and then you get the date listing. I do like letting people lock in a particular second, though...

mingot, maybe the Egg IV Timefinder should be tweaked to search multiple frames at once. (Also maybe a warning for those who try to search with really large parameters?)

Maybe so. I really hate the way the egg time finder works, so perhaps it's just time to rethink that whole thing.

 

[VileTung]

Hi Mingot, I don't want top be rude, but you haven't changed the link to my website in the first post, the link you have now, will display the lowest Average Spreads, so actually the worst ones. just http://dppt.x-treem.nl is enough.

 

[mingot]

Ok, changed it.

 

[Sephirona]

Anyhow, the new process would be to put in parents as good as you have them, note the IVs, and then check out your offset a few times when just canceling the journal and finally searching for some suitable with that offset to actually reset on. Seems like it would be a more complicated set of directions which is a bummer because people have a hard time grasping the ones that are there now.

And unless you're being a stickler and only looking for spreads within the current year, you should have no problems searching for a flawless spread. It's much easier to search for a spread on a different date than it is to resave and recalibrate for a new consistent frame. So yes, it does help with consistency - it keeps you from losing it.

It's always nice to have alternative methods~

What confused me personally was mainly hearing several different versions of steps that could be used to influence the frame.

Understanding how to change the frame was, for me, the most complicated out of everything, since everyone seemed to do something different. I wasn't sure what the best method was (i.e. NPCs, watching the Buneary, thought Journal Flips were only for SRing wild legendaries...;_; ) Including that extra option wouldn't hurt if the reader is told it's just a different method. I just had another eureka moment when I read the above actually~ It does sound simpler than trying to fix the frame to what you want. This is more a of a "go with the flow" method.

I don't think you'd have to re-write the whole thing to include that - maybe just including a note where the directions diverge and a small section afterwards directed at those who are more comfortable with the material would be enough. The directions are quite clear, it's just that there's a lot of material to process. *_*; You've done the research already, and it should be up to the reader to try to pay attention if he or she wants to learn what you're teaching, after all. :>

Aye, long post, sorry D:<

 

[Ultimasamune]

Has anyone managed to run RNG Reporter on Darwine? I can't seem to be able to run .NET exe's with it. If anyone has used this method, or if anyone knows another way to run RNG Reporter on mac, please help?

 

[ΩDonut]

Seems like it would be a more complicated set of directions which is a bummer because people have a hard time grasping the ones that are there now.

Slightly more complicated, I guess, but I don't think people should be spending more time on this than necessary. Just note that people shouldn't get too attached to the spread they calibrate with.

I do like letting people lock in a particular second, though...

That feature has to stay. I've got my countdown timer calibrated so I always hit 29 seconds, and I think you and a few other people target a particular second as well.

Anyway, I've got a preliminary set of new directions:

Selecting a Spread

Now that you have collected some data about your average delay and can accurately reset to the specified second it is time to find out what frame you can hit consistently. You will have to pick a good spread, but do not get too attached to it as you may have to pick a new one after the calibration phase is complete. To begin, open the "DPPt Time Finder" in RNG Reporter and then select the "DPPt Egg IVs" tab.

(snip)

- The frame should usually be a number between 5 and 9. Frame, which is explained in more detail below, can fluctuate quite a bit but can usually be locked in at a certain number when resetting. Locking in a number gets harder as the frame gets higher or lower so values of 5 or 7 are recommended here for first time users. Note that these values assume you have the journal appear immediately after you start the game.

Before we continue an explanation of the frame is in order. The frame is the number of RNG calls that happen between the instant you enter the game world and the instant you talk to the daycare man to collect your egg. These RNG calls are driven by NPC movements and you can see this in action by looking at them and noticing that they seem to meander aimlessly. How soon these movements happen is determined by information in your game save so generally each time you reset the game you will end up with the same (or an adjacent) result for the frame, if you collect the egg quickly enough. However, if you resave this frame may change, so this should be avoided. If the journal appears when you reset the game and the first page contains an entry for a captured or defeated Pokémon, this will add 2 to the frame. Journal page flips can be used to your advantage to achieve a higher frame. Since the journal appears whenever you change the date on your DS, you should always have it appear so it will included in the frame calibration. The complete example below will explain how to figure out what your frame was for each egg that you hatch.

Once you have selected a frame, right click on it and select "Generate Adjacent Results". This will bring up a list of results that are close by to make it easier to find where you actually landed when you get an egg. Optimal parameters should include min frame of 3, max frame of 15 or higher. If you don't know your seconds yet, list seconds from 0 to 59.

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A Complete Example of Soft Resetting for IVs

Data from the Initial Calibration Phase are:

Seconds: 15
Delays: 600-610
Frame: 6

Parents IVs:
B: 31/31/31/x/31/31
A: 31/31/31/x/31/x

Baby's desired IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31

Year: 2009
Month: April (4)

This is the spread we used for calibration:

SEED: 8711026A
DATE: 2009/04/30
TIME: 00:59:15
DELAY: 609
FRAME: 3
SPREAD: 31/A/31/4/A/B

Unfortunately, the spread we calibrated with is not something we can get, since the frame we found (6) is higher than the frame for the spread with calibrated with (3). So we'll look for a new spread:

SEED: 710F026A
DATE: 2009/04/24
TIME: 15:02:15
DELAY: 609
FRAME: 12
SPREAD: A/A/A/20/31/31

This spread should give us a baby with IVs 31/31/31/20/31/31.

Next you should prepare by placing the parent Pokemon into the daycare in the correct order (A is first, B second) and going through the process of locking in an egg with the desired Nature, Gender, and Ability. As the Nature, Gender, and Ability of an egg are determined at the instant the daycare man is holding an egg, you should save before taking the egg and then verify that the hatched Pokemon has the desired characteristics. If it does not, simply release the Pokemon and try again with the next egg. If it does you are now locked in and ready to begin soft resetting for perfect IVs.

1. Frame calibration phase: Change the date on your DS according to the Time Finder Output. 2009 4 30 in this example. Do not resave to prevent the journal from appearing.

2. Set the time as one minute earlier than the time given by the Time Finder i.e. 00:58 and hit A to save the changes when the external clock reaches a new minute.

3. Load the game and wait another minute before you s-reset again (L+R+select+start). This ensures that you soft rest at 00:59:00 and since you know from the Initial Calibration Phase that it takes you 15 seconds to load your game. If everything was calculated properly you will hit A on continue at exactly 00:59:15. Note: you have to hit A repeatedly after you soft reset.

4. Receive the egg as soon as the game starts.

5. Find you location (seconds, delay, and frame) in the list of Adjacent results based on the IVs of the egg. Please note that you may right click in the list of adjacent results and output the entire list to a csv file. This file can be opened in notepad or a spreadsheet, which may make it easier to search.

6. Repeat steps 1 through 5 until you've found the range of delays and the frame you obtain most often. (In this example, the delay range was 600-610 and the frame was 6.)

The frame calibration phase is now complete. The steps for obtaining the desired egg are identical, except we'll also make use of the journal:

7. Flip to a page where it says captured\defeated [Pokémon]. Do this three times to advance the frame from 6 to 12. No more, no less. Do not count the journal's initial appearance as a page flip.

8. If the baby in the egg doesn't have the desired IVs repeat steps 1-7.

NOTE ON THE FRAME

As it's already been said, the frame depends on the NPC's movement at the start of the game. Their positions will be fixed after you save and if you load again they will always be in the same position. Saving again after the change of the date will cause the frame to change and sometimes you can't hit the same frame found during the calibration phase again. You will need to perform the Frame Calibration Phase all over again.

I think this is a good place to start, just revise whatever you think is unclear.

 

[mingot]

@ Seph - Well, I definately like the idea of exploring higher frames, so I think this is good in the end. Unfortunately egg IVs are something that are always going to be somewhat complicated.

@ syrucrosse01 - Sorry not at this time. Someone said they got it to work but never gave any details. Stay tuned, though, someone is supposed to begin work on a cross platform port of RNG Reporter.

@ Omega - Awesome, thank you, I will go over this and make a merge.

Also, yeah the seconds thing has to stay, but it occurs to me that I could probably just go ahead and add a feature to RNG Reporter Seed->Time to allow a user to lock in a particular second and only show those results. There should almost (maybe just always) always be a solution to target a particular second.

 

[ΩDonut]

I just noticed you've got a promotion to mod. Probably in the last five minutes. Congrats, mingot!

 

[Ultimasamune]

Alright, thanks mingot, though by that time I'll probably have a PC for college

 

[ΩDonut]

Something to add to the to-do list: we need to learn how to figure out how the Pokéradar affects the RNG, so we can abuse the PRNG to get flawless Pokéradar-exclusive Pokémon.

 

[mingot]

I just noticed you've got a promotion to mod. Probably in the last five minutes. Congrats, mingot!

Thanks, been a few days (was actually modded in ruins) but wifi was about 5 minutes before you mentioned it :)

Alright, thanks mingot, though by that time I'll probably have a PC for college

Yep, no ETA, but you never know.

Something to add to the to-do list: we need to learn how to figure out how the Pokéradar affects the RNG, so we can abuse the PRNG to get flawless Pokéradar-exclusive Pokémon.

The thing that worries me about those is that you need to walk through the grass (RNG calls) to get to a patch. I would guess we would need to know how many seeds are consumed by the radar and then just journal flip AFTER the walk to the patch. Actually it might not be super hard.

Reminds me, if I ever have time to figure out how a monster is created (with regards to the species) and get a good encounter table I should be able to predict what specie on which frame at some point. That + Pokeradar would mean everything in the game is fair game except wondercards.

 

[felix]

So I've been reading a lot about how to do this, I'm going to try to SR for Giratina on Platinum, I just want to make sure i got this right.

I saved right in front of Giratina on Distortion World, where i would only have to press A and i would fight it. I found a good lonely spread on the DPPt Time finder with a 628 delay. I'm changing the date and time on my DS, to a minute before the time i want, i would need to SR about 15 seconds before the time given and press A on the continue screen to match the time.
Another thing, on the time finder, next to the seed is a frame number of 66, but it says that Giratina in the distortion world there's a frame of 12 on the first page, so i would only need to advance the RNG 52 times, by flipping the journal 26 times. Is this correct?

 

[mingot]

The general formula is this:

Target Frame - Start Frame = Number of advances.

In your case 66 - 12 = 54.

So 54/2 Journal flips is 27.

 

[Thatsjustpeachy]

does anyone have any tips they liked to share on how to accurately hit a spread for breeding. I ve gotten close and have been in the adjacent results but i can never hit the target. Does everyone else take a good amount of time trying to hit it?

 

[ΩDonut]

does anyone have any tips they liked to share on how to accurately hit a spread for breeding. I ve gotten close and have been in the adjacent results but i can never hit the target. Does everyone else take a good amount of time trying to hit it?

What screws up most often? Seconds, delay or offset?

If it's your seconds that keep screwing up, try hard-resetting. Before, when I used soft reset I kept getting one or two seconds off, both high and low. Then, when I finally gave up with hot-wiring my DS's busted shoulder button I switched to hard resetting and got a perfect 29 seconds every single time.

If it's delay you've got a problem with (probably), try pressing the A button really fast but not so hard your hand cramps from all the button mashing. It's easier to keep a consistent rhythm that way.

 

[Pehu]

Hi guys. Just some thoughs that I would like to share after a few days of IV Breeding.

I had real problems with the frame when I started, several days ago. But on the last couple of days, I was able to hit my target consistently, getting a perfect Shiny Breloom, a almost perfect shiny Charizard, and a few others.

Now, something that really helped me was using the journal to reach higher frames than the one that was locked. Now, I always start searching for spreads above frame 5, as I noticed that locking on a frame 1 is quite hard for me. So, Yeah, the journal really helps a lot.

Also, I would like to ask if there are plans to insert a checkbox on the search screens, to display (and search) only even or odd delays, as I noticed that my delay only change from odd to even after I save. For the legends, that was not a problem, but for eggs, that can really be a problem, as saving again will change my frame.

Also, how far is the IV Search Upgrade from coming? I find that the current system to find a spread is really good when you have good parents, but if the parents are not that good, it would be better if you could just specify if you want HP == A, HP == B, or HP == 31, so that a lot of those results would not appear.

Right now, we can manage to solve this using the CSV, but if this feature were to be made, it would help a lot.

Thanks for this amazing software and research, now I finally caught the three lake guardians and Giratina Shiny. Heatran is next.

 

[Clawed Nyasu]

Alright, I thought I had mastered Frame when I sucessfully hatched my first RNG Pokemon egg using the journal, but I guess not.

I currently have an egg locked in. The journal will pop up when I SR, and has a capture on the first page, but not the second page. Canceling the journal and picking up the egg immediately generally gives me a Frame of 11 (so I guess it would have been 9 had the journal not been there?) I am aiming for 15, since 11, 13 and 17 don't seem to have any good spreads for 622 and 624 Delay, which are easiest for me to hit.

But this is confusing. If I flip to the second journal page and back to the first twice I get a Frame of 17. One time I even got 19. So I tried just flipping it once, and I seem to have gotten 14 out of nowhere...

Wait...I just read this:

7. Flip to a page where it says captured\defeated [Pokémon]. Do this three times to advance the frame from 6 to 12. No more, no less. Do not count the journal's initial appearance as a page flip.

Alright....so what if the initial appearance has a capture/defeated on it...does closing out of the journal at that point not advance the Frame at all?

Or...would it just be best to have the capture/defeated on the second page and avoid this confusion?


EDIT: This is maddening. I have the Frame locked in at 7 right now, with a capture on the second page, and not on the first. Logically, 4 flips to the second page would end up with 15, correct? But I have an egg right now that was a frame of 19. I am highly confused.

 

[Sephirona]

I calibrated successfully, I think *_* Thanks for your great research, guys.

I hatched my egg and found out I was on frame 11 with a delay of 595 and 14 seconds. (Checked them before hatching by catching a Magikarp and finding the initial seed~)

However, when I entered I accidentally flipped the journal a few times, heheh. So just to make sure: The Pokemon has to be specifically "CAUGHT" or "DEFEATED", and the defeat of an NPC's Pokemon doesn't count...right?
So had I not accidentally flipped the journal, and had I canceled it immediately and grabbed the egg, theoretically my frame would have been 9? Since we're not supposed to count the first appearance of the journal as a flip, even if there's a "Caught/Defeated" on it. My question kind of ties in with the above poster's too.

Thanks again~ ;)

 

[TDS]

Ok, if i save after the journal opens as a result of the change of date, will my frame still be the same? Or do I need to find my frame again. the buneary moves 2 steps when i save. This is for breeding

 

[Tase]

So I wanted to get this Seed for an Azelf: 40160270

Got it from Viletung's website so was running it through RNG reporter to convert it to Method J... and it won't show up. I set the correct delay (601), year (2023), frame (max~3000), made sure to put in a Naive Syncer, but the frame won't show up. Mingot, is this a spread that only exists for method 1?

 

[mingot]

@ Omega - Some thoughts here. The jist is that I don't see why they select a particular spread during the "frame calibration" part instead of just doing a quick monster capture :)

Ok, why not just have them do a quick "frame calibation" here with selecting the final spread? Say that once parents are in daycare to save the game, change the date to force the journal to come up and then run through collecting an egg a couple of times and then catching a monster to get the initial seed and finding the frame that way? THEN they could select a final spread based on the results do the following:

Selecting a Spread

Now that you have collected some data about your average delay and can accurately reset to the specified second it is time to find out what frame you can hit consistently. You will have to pick a good spread, but do not get too attached to it (this is what I mean, seems sorta pointless to go through the trouble of finding it. of course these steps are still valid for finding the final spred that is going to be used, just think it should be divorced from frame calibration. thoughts?) as you may have to pick a new one after the frame calibration phase is complete. To begin, open the "DPPt Time Finder" in RNG Reporter and then select the "DPPt Egg IVs" tab.

(snip)

- The frame should usually be a number between 5 and 9. Frame, which is explained in greater detail below, can fluctuate quite a bit but can usually be locked in at a certain number when resetting. Locking in a number gets harder as the frame gets higher or lower so values of 5 or 7 are recommended here for first time users. Note that these values assume you have the journal appear immediately after you start the game.

Before we continue an explanation of the frame is in order. The frame is the number of RNG calls that happen between the instant you enter the game world and the instant you talk to the daycare man to collect your egg. These RNG calls are driven by NPC movements and you can see this in action by looking at them and noticing that they seem to meander aimlessly. How soon these movements happen is determined by information in your game save so generally each time you reset the game you will end up with the same (or an adjacent) result for the frame, if you collect the egg quickly enough. However, if you re-save this frame may change, so this should be avoided. If the journal appears when you reset the game and the first page contains an entry for a captured or defeated Pokémon, this will add 2 to the frame. Journal page flips can be used to your advantage to achieve a higher frame. Since the journal appears whenever you change the date on your DS, you should always have it appear so it will included in the frame calibration. The complete example below will explain how to figure out what your frame was for each egg that you hatch.

Once you have selected a frame, right click on it and select "Generate Adjacent Results". This will bring up a list of results that are close by to make it easier to find where you actually landed when you get an egg. Optimal parameters should include min frame of 3, max frame of 15 or higher. If you don't know your seconds yet, list seconds from 0 to 59.

(snip)

A Complete Example of Soft Resetting for IVs

Data from the Initial Calibration Phase are:

Seconds: 15
Delays: 600-610
Frame: 6

Parents IVs:
B: 31/31/31/x/31/31
A: 31/31/31/x/31/x

Baby's desired IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31

Year: 2009
Month: April (4)

This is the spread we used for calibration: This would be removed from the walkthrough since a valid spread would have been selected during the selecting your spread part of this.

SEED: 8711026A
DATE: 2009/04/30
TIME: 00:59:15
DELAY: 609
FRAME: 3
SPREAD: 31/A/31/4/A/B

Unfortunately, the spread we calibrated with is not something we can get, since the frame we found (6) is higher than the frame for the spread with calibrated with (3). So we'll look for a new spread:

SEED: 710F026A
DATE: 2009/04/24
TIME: 15:02:15
DELAY: 609
FRAME: 12
SPREAD: A/A/A/20/31/31

This spread should give us a baby with IVs 31/31/31/20/31/31.

Next you should prepare by placing the parent Pokemon into the daycare in the correct order (A is first, B second) and going through the process of locking in an egg with the desired Nature, Gender, and Ability. As the Nature, Gender, and Ability of an egg are determined at the instant the daycare man is holding an egg, you should save before taking the egg and then verify that the hatched Pokemon has the desired characteristics. If it does not, simply release the Pokemon and try again with the next egg. If it does you are now locked in and ready to begin soft resetting for perfect IVs.

1. Frame calibration phase: Change the date on your DS according to the Time Finder Output. 2009 4 30 in this example. Do not resave to prevent the journal from appearing.

2. Set the time as one minute earlier than the time given by the Time Finder i.e. 00:58 and hit A to save the changes when the external clock reaches a new minute.

3. Load the game and wait another minute before you s-reset again (L+R+select+start). This ensures that you soft rest at 00:59:00 and since you know from the Initial Calibration Phase that it takes you 15 seconds to load your game. If everything was calculated properly you will hit A on continue at exactly 00:59:15. Note: you have to hit A repeatedly after you soft reset.

4. Receive the egg as soon as the game starts.

5. Find you location (seconds, delay, and frame) in the list of Adjacent results based on the IVs of the egg. Please note that you may right click in the list of adjacent results and output the entire list to a csv file. This file can be opened in notepad or a spreadsheet, which may make it easier to search. Change to catch a monster, find your frame.

6. Repeat steps 1 through 5 until you've found the range of delays and the frame you obtain most often. (In this example, the delay range was 600-610 and the frame was 6.)

The frame calibration phase is now complete. The steps for obtaining the desired egg are identical, except we'll also make use of the journal:

Now find a desireable spread.

7. Flip to a page where it says captured\defeated [Pokémon]. Do this three times to advance the frame from 6 to 12. No more, no less. Do not count the journal's initial appearance as a page flip.

How come? If it has a caught, should it not?

7.5 Close journal and quickly collect/hatch egg.

8. If the baby in the egg doesn't have the desired IVs repeat steps 1-7.

NOTE ON THE FRAME

As it's already been said, the frame depends on the NPC's movement at the start of the game. Their positions will be fixed after you save and if you load again they will always be in the same position. Saving again after the change of the date will cause the frame to change and sometimes you can't hit the same frame found during the calibration phase again. You will need to perform the Frame Calibration Phase all over again.

Please note that frame does not automatically increment when the journal is open so there is no rush while it is open.

So, Yeah, the journal really helps a lot.

Good, thank Omega Donut. We'll be moving the Journal method to the "official directions".

Also, I would like to ask if there are plans to insert a checkbox on the search screens, to display (and search) only even or odd delays, as I noticed that my delay only change from odd to even after I save. For the legends, that was not a problem, but for eggs, that can really be a problem, as saving again will change my frame.

I have thought about it, but curious how many spreads you are going through after a search? Are there enough that it is hard to find them?

Also, how far is the IV Search Upgrade from coming? I find that the current system to find a spread is really good when you have good parents, but if the parents are not that good, it would be better if you could just specify if you want HP == A, HP == B, or HP == 31, so that a lot of those results would not appear.

I need to make a note of this, it's been brought up before and it seems like a pretty good idea.

But this is confusing. If I flip to the second journal page and back to the first twice I get a Frame of 17. One time I even got 19. So I tried just flipping it once, and I seem to have gotten 14 out of nowhere...

Wait...I just read this:
Alright....so what if the initial appearance has a capture/defeated on it...does closing out of the journal at that point not advance the Frame at all?

It should, but now I am worried that, once again, I need to go verify this.

Or...would it just be best to have the capture/defeated on the second page and avoid this confusion?

EDIT: This is maddening. I have the Frame locked in at 7 right now, with a capture on the second page, and not on the first. Logically, 4 flips to the second page would end up with 15, correct? But I have an egg right now that was a frame of 19. I am highly confused.

That sounds like what should have happened yes. Going to have to do some investigation, but the common theme seems to be that you always get +2 of where you want to be. So maybe subtract a flip?

By chance do you have any running pokemon out?

I calibrated successfully, I think *_* Thanks for your great research, guys.

I hatched my egg and found out I was on frame 11 with a delay of 595 and 14 seconds. (Checked them before hatching by catching a Magikarp and finding the initial seed~)

However, when I entered I accidentally flipped the journal a few times, heheh. So just to make sure: The Pokemon has to be specifically "CAUGHT" or "DEFEATED", and the defeat of an NPC's Pokemon doesn't count...right?
So had I not accidentally flipped the journal, and had I canceled it immediately and grabbed the egg, theoretically my frame would have been 9? Since we're not supposed to count the first appearance of the journal as a flip, even if there's a "Caught/Defeated" on it. My question kind of ties in with the above poster's too.

Thanks again~ ;)

Dunno at this point. Work on it and let me know :)

Ok, if i save after the journal opens as a result of the change of date, will my frame still be the same? Or do I need to find my frame again. the buneary moves 2 steps when i save. This is for breeding

Your frame will change. When doing it your way you generally want to save until you start hitting the correct frame. Working on new instructions to hopefully avoid that.

So I wanted to get this Seed for an Azelf: 40160270

Got it from Viletung's website so was running it through RNG reporter to convert it to Method J... and it won't show up. I set the correct delay (601), year (2023), frame (max~3000), made sure to put in a Naive Syncer, but the frame won't show up. Mingot, is this a spread that only exists for method 1?

Correct, means you can't get it. Sorry :(

 

[Sephirona]

7. Flip to a page where it says captured\defeated [Pokémon]. Do this three times to advance the frame from 6 to 12. No more, no less. Do not count the journal's initial appearance as a page flip.

How come? If it has a caught, should it not?

I'd like to know too~ *_*

And as a side question, if I decide that I'd like to hatch a Pokemon on frame 17 (since I know my current frame is 9) and I only have one journal page with a "caught" on it, should I flip back and forth to that one page until my frame is increased to 17? :0

-edit- oh LOL, sorry.
Alright, I'll be testing it then, hope I can get that lovely delay as precisely as I did last time *_* I was stupid and just realized I saved right when the NPC was moving...but I suppose I'll hold the frame as my constant and use the time as my variable then, so I don't have to recalibrate for that frame after saving to get rid of the NPC's waltzing around.

-editedit- HATCH a pokemon, HATCH, not catch ;A; Though I assume it works the same way, so nevermind.

 

[Pehu]

Yeah, I've actually used the journal to catch a good spread before reading Omega's advice, as I noticed that the game was saved on frame 5, but the journal was showing with one captured pokemon on first page, making impossible to reach that frame. So, I looked for good spreads on frames 7, 9, 11... found a good one on frame 27, and was able to get it easily.

So, it would be good if we could search for IV Spreads on even or odd frames too, since the frame will easily be locked on a odd or even value, without the need to watch for NPC's steps.

As for the question regarding the even/odd delays, when I search for a shiny/perfect legend, I usually put a very high frame, and end up with a lot of even/odd delays that I can't reach without a new save. And sometimes, even after I save, the delay do not change. As for the IV Breeding, I do not end up with a lot of options, but I'm kind of lazy. LOL

Edit: Yeah, you should just flip back and forth until you reach the frame 17. That's how I did. But remember that if your first page on the journal have a Caught Pokemon, it WILL advance the frame.