HGSS Megaspeculation Thread

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Damn, sorry Substitute, Flash Cannon, and Trick Room :(

Pluck is more overpowering than Aerial Ace, by a long shot. Not only does it do the same amount of damage, but it steals your berry, which were huge reasons why my leveled up Chikorita could be Falkner. I don't think this is correct, but Serebii also says it doubles the power if the foe has a berry. Either way, the move is better than Aerial Ace so early in the game.
 
Witchcraft23 said:
Here's an idea, Falkner can give out Pluck. It isn't overpowering and would make more sense than having the overpowering Aerial Ace that early on in the game.

The rest can stay the same with some exceptions.
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Aerial Ace and Pluck have the same BP, Aerial Ace just never misses and Pluck eats other Pokemon's berries.

I won't deny that it's a possibility, but I disagree that Aerial Ace is overpowering.
 
Pluck actually doubles in power with berries... Come to think of it, all of the flying type tm's are kind of strong in some sense or another. The HM's however...

Might as well have the gym leaders tutor moves.
 
Yeah, Winona gave out Aerial Ace, but at that point in the game, it was irrevelant. So Falkner would give out...maybe Steel Wing? @_@
 
Gyardos not learning it is irrelevant. The person said most.

Anyways, I doubt Steel Wing would be the TM of choice. As I can remember, no Gym Leaders gave TM's out that weren't their type in the modern games. The only time I remember that it wasn't the type was with Mud-Slap. But if you look at a TM list for GSC, they literally had no other options.

As for the possible TM's for beating Falkner, it'll probably be either pluck or Aerial Ace, not Roost. If you can't deal over 50% to Falkner's Pidgeotto, he wins. I'm leaning toward Aerial Ace over Pluck though, but that's just my opinion.
 
loedoc said:
Gyardos not learning it is irrelevant. The person said most.

Anyways, I doubt Steel Wing would be the TM of choice. As I can remember, no Gym Leaders gave TM's out that weren't their type in the modern games. The only time I remember that it wasn't the type was with Mud-Slap. But if you look at a TM list for GSC, they literally had no other options.

As for the possible TM's for beating Falkner, it'll probably be either pluck or Aerial Ace, not Roost. If you can't deal over 50% to Falkner's Pidgeotto, he wins. I'm leaning toward Aerial Ace over Pluck thoug, but that's just my opinion.
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You can always hope Pidgeotto just doesn't use Roost. Whitney's Miltank had Milk Drink and Wallace's Milotic had Recover so I don't think GameFreak really cares if you can deal more than 50% to a leaders best Pokemon.
 
But still, early on in the game you can't deal as much damage, especially to a pokemon in its second evolution stage. IMO, Roost would make that gym incredibly annoying and time consuming. Plus, it would be much harder to beat the gym if you started out with Chikorita, which I honestly think doesn't need to be put at an even bigger disadvantage.
 
Has it been confirmed that the TM list will be the exact same as DPP?

Something like Tail Wind TM could definitely fit the bill. Of course, the absurdity of a Brave Bird TM tickles my tail feathers. :toast:
 
If they had different TMs, they probably wouldn't be compatible with D/P/P. Besides, Firered/Leafgreen had the same TMs as Ruby and Saphire
 
But still, early on in the game you can't deal as much damage, especially to a pokemon in its second evolution stage. IMO, Roost would make that gym incredibly annoying and time consuming. Plus, it would be much harder to beat the gym if you started out with Chikorita.
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That would create a mildly annoying roadblock around 5 minutes into the game
 
I have made a fan-made/speculation (even though these moves aren't at all likely) for the Johto starters. It took me a while (although it still probably sucks >.>).

Chikorita
-- Growl
-- Tackle
5 Razor Leaf
8 PoisonPowder
11 Synthesis
15 Sleep Powder
18 Sweet Scent
21 Magical Leaf
25 Natural Gift
28 Reflect
31 Leaf Blade
35 Light Screen
38 Body Slam
41 Safeguard
45 Aromatherapy
48 Double Edge
51 Solarbeam

Bayleaf
-- Growl
-- Tackle
-- Razor Leaf
5 Razor Leaf
8 PoisonPowder
11 Synthesis
15 Sleep Powder
19 Sweet Scent
22 Magical Leaf
27 Natural Gift
31 Reflect
35 Leaf Blade
39 Light Screen
43 Body Slam
47 Safeguard
52 Aromatherapy
55 Double Edge
59 Solarbeam
64 Leaf Storm

Meganium
-- Growl
-- Tackle
-- Razor Leaf
-- PoisonPowder
-- Synthesis
5 Razor Leaf
8 PoisonPowder
11 Synthesis
15 Sleep Powder
19 Sweet Scent
22 Magical Leaf
27 Natural Gift
31 Reflect
32 Petal Dance
36 Leaf Blade
41 Light Screen
46 Body Slam
52 Safeguard
58 Aromatherapy
62 Double Edge
68 Solarbeam
74 Leaf Storm


Cyndaquil
-- Leer
-- Tackle
4 SmokeScreen
8 Ember
11 Quick Attack
15 Defense Curl
18 Flame Wheel
22 Swift
25 Fire Spin
29 Rapid Spin
32 Lava Plume
36 Rollout
39 Flamethrower
43 Night Slash
46 Double-Edge
50 Eruption

Quilava
-- Leer
-- Tackle
-- SmokeScreen
-- Ember
4 SmokeScreen
8 Ember
11 Quick Attack
16 Defense Curl
20 Flame Wheel
25 Swift
28 Fire Fang
33 Rapid Spin
37 Lava Plume
42 Rollout
45 Flamethrower
50 Night Slash
54 Double-Edge
59 Eruption

Typhlosion
-- Gyro Ball
-- Leer
-- Tackle
-- SmokeScreen
-- Ember
-- Quick Attack
4 SmokeScreen
8 Ember
11 Quick Attack
16 Defense Curl
20 Flame Wheel
25 Swift
28 Fire Fang
33 Rapid Spin
36 Mach Punch
39 Lava Plume
45 Rollout
49 Flamethrower
56 Night Slash
61 Double-Edge
65 Eruption


Totodile
-- Leer
-- Scratch
5 Water Gun
7 Rage
11 Bite
13 Scary Face
17 Ice Fang
19 Aqua Jet
23 Flail
25 Crunch
29 Slash
31 Brine
35 Screech
37 Thrash
41 Aqua Tail
43 Skull Bash
47 Superpower
49 Hydro Pump

Croconaw
-- Leer
-- Scratch
-- Water Gun
-- Rage
5 Water Gun
7 Rage
11 Bite
13 Scary Face
17 Ice Fang
18 Poison Fang
20 Aqua Jet
25 Flail
27 Crunch
32 Slash
35 Brine
40 Screech
42 Thrash
47 Aqua Tail
50 Skull Bash
55 Superpower
57 Hydro Pump

Feraligatr
-- Dragon Rush
-- Leer
-- Scratch
-- Water Gun
-- Rage
-- Bite
5 Water Gun
7 Rage
11 Bite
13 Scary Face
17 Ice Fang
18 Poison Fang
20 Aqua Jet
25 Flail
27 Crunch
30 Agility
35 Slash
39 Brine
45 Screech
49 Thrash
55 Aqua Tail
59 Skull Bash
66 Superpower
69 Hydro Pump
 
Mud Slap's side effect deals with accuracy.
Aerial Ace's side effect deals with accuracy.

Hardly logical, but I just don't know why people think Pluck would make it remotely fair. Again, unless you raised your starter and your starter only up until that point, berries allowed you to win. Pluck would destroy that.

EDIT: I hope waters(Feraligatr especially) receive the water equivalent of Double-Edge. Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz exist, why not something for waters? Personally, I don't think Gyarados needs any help(not that GF cares), but Feraligatr receiving it would be nice.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Hardly logical, but I just don't know why people think Pluck would make it remotely fair. Again, unless you raised your starter and your starter only up until that point, berries allowed you to win. Pluck would destroy that.
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I never used berries during the game...
In any case, Aerial Ace seems more likely to me.
 
Also, as shown in D/P, not all Pokemon have the TM in their movesets, sometimes, not even the main Pokemon has it in the moveset (Cranidos not knowing Stealth Rock; Mismagus not knowing Shadow Claw; Bastiodon not knowing Flash Cannon in Platinum; Froslass not knowing Avalanche in Platinum; Electivire not knowing Flash Cannon in Platinum). So maybe just the Pidgey can have the TM move and not the Pidgeotto, lol.

EDIT: Yeah, I was trying to be realistic for the Chikorita family, but then I started being novelty-like for the other two. v_v
 
I've been watching news for this game pop up for some time now. Looks great.I also like how you most likely won't need GBA games after this game.
 
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