Blizzard (An OU Hail RMT)

[Rokudo]

Blizzard (an OU hail RMT)

For a couple of days I have been thinking of a hail team and well I tried many suggestions and many different strategies but it was all in vain and this team below is the one that worked most for me, but yet its not that stable.

Team At a Glance
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Now For Closer View
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THE LEAD

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 196 HP / 216 Spe / 96 Att
Jolly Nature
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Taunt

This is my lead pokemon. Basically all I do is set up stealth rock and when I know a taunt is coming I just U-turn. This lead actually works really well for me but upon suggestion I might change it. This thing has sand veil which also allows me to miss some attacks when my opponent is using a lead tyranitar or a lead hippo. I thought of using mamoswine lead as well but I don’t know which one to chose. I kept roost for hp recover and i kept taunt to stop uxie and breeloms and other pokes slower than me from setting up. I usually u-turn to tentacruel before setting up hail. The EV spread always be to have 300 speed and 302 defense, allowing me to outrun adamant nature salamence and adamant nature lucario.

HAIL STARTER

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252HP/ 252 spd /4 att
Nature: Sassy
-Blizzard
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Leech seed

Well this here, is my hail starter. I actually save this thing for latter use because you never know if my opponent is another weather based team user. Well this abomasnow is a regular sub/seeding/focus punching one. I made this abomasnow defensive because, well, this team is supposed to be Hail Stall. Blizzard is for coverage.

HAIL ABUSER

Froslass @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Cloak
Evs: 32HP/252Spe/224SpA
-Spikes
-Confuse Ray
-Substitute
-Ice Beam

I love this thing. This thing is my key to success but again I might remove it for better poke. This thing basically subs down and hope for a miss or go for a confuse ray and than set up spikes. I thought of taking out blizzard for thunder wave but I might get taunted so I kept blizzard. Leftovers to make more subs. But seriously with snow cloak and a base of 110 speed I can outrun most pokes in ou and uu. This is also my rapid spin blocker. Ice Beam is for stab.

Stand Alone Sweeper

Latias
@ Life Orb
Timid Nature (Spe+ / Atk-)
252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe

- Thunderbolt
- HP fire
- Draco Meteor
- Recover

Latias was suggested by someone and it seems to work for the team. I come in when my hail stops and its a stamd alone sweeper. It supports my team really well and gets rid of most of the threats my team faces. Thunderbolt is to kill off gyarados. Draco meteor is for stab and allows me to OHKO salamence. HP fire is to kill of scizor and recover is for hp recovery.And Latias makes an overall good wall.

RAPID SPINNER

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
Calm Nature
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
- Knock Off

Doesn’t every hail team have a rapid spinner. I thought about a long time for the best rapid spinners and I chose between Starmie and Tentacruel. Should I put knock off or HP electric? They both seem to work well. I basically send this thing out after I U-turn with my gliscor. This thing absorbs opponent toxic spikes and sets up toxic spikes for itself. Surf is for STAB.

WALL

Walrein @ Leftovers
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 210 HP / 252 Def / 48 SpD
Bold Nature
- Protect
- Substitute
- Roar
- Ice Beam

This thing is my most precious pokemon in my hail team. Seriously, this thing is just a wall. Sub/Protect, with ice body and leftovers, this pokemon is a real pain to handle. Roar is to cause the switch and ice beam over blizzard because of the pp and i really didnt want to miss if my hail ever ran out.

Well, there was my team. Hope you liked it. Please, give me any suggestions possible.

THANK YOU

Threat List:

Tyranitar: Taken care of by Gliscor's earthquake.

Lucario: Taken care of by Gliscor's earthquake.

Infernape: Taken care of by Gliscor's Eaqthquake.

Salamence: Taken care of by latias's draco meteor.

Blissey: Toxicated and stalled out by walrein with the support of toxic spikes.

Heatran: Taken care of gliscor's earthquake.

Scizor: Taken care of by latias's hp fire.

Breloom: Taken care of by taunt from gliscor.

 

[iCharlie]

Problems

DDMence
Infernape (Minor)

Description

One of your biggest problems is a dragon dancing Salamence as it can tear through 4 of your pokemon after a single dragon dance. The only pokemon which can withstand the tyrant is your Gliscor and probally your Walrien but are still 2HKO'ed by a +1 Salamence. The only way you can have a chance of killing it is if you have weakened it through stalling (Hail damage) or simply hit it when it is not +1 (though if it hasn't DD'ed yet, it causes no problems as Froslass can outspeed it but it needs to be in on the turn). I know you have brightpowder on both Froslass and Mamoswine but do you really want to leave it up to luck to get you pass a monster that can trample your team?
Also with every ice/hail based team there is always a fear of Infernape. It has enough speed to outrun all of your pokemon except Froslass but Froslass has no move which can cause a serious dent in the monkey. Your Gliscor and Tentacruel are both good counters of Infernape's stabbed moves but both will have some troubles dealing with a late game Infernape due to the residual damage they are both getting from Hail.

Solutions

For the first problem mentioned, I would recommend replacing Rock Slide on Mamoswine with Ice Shard. You get a stabbed priority move which can be used to revenge kill the Salamence or simply just killing it. Ice shard does Damage: 269 - 316 (Damage: 81.27% - 95.47%) to Salamence (no HP/Def EVs invested) which is always a 1HKO after you factorize Stealth Rock damage. Also the EV spread is not to my liking. I would prefer you spend some HP EVs into more defence or more attack. Mamoswine already has great base HP so doesn't need the extra points. I was thinking about this spread:

Mamoswine @ Brightpowder
Ability: Snow Cloak
Nature: Careful
Evs: 176HP/80Atk/52Def/200SpD
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Curse
-Ice Shard

Note: I put the extra 80 points which I took from the HP and added it to attack. You could choose where to put it whether you want more bulk or more physical attacking power.


As for your Infernape situation, if you replace either Taunt or U-turn with Earthquake on your Gliscor, not only can you have a 1HKO on Infernape (Damage: 277 - 326 (Damage: 94.54% - 111.26%)) it can also serve as a Lucario check which also might cause you problems and always 1HKO it after Stealth Rocks. I would also recommend that you change its nature to Jolly to make sure it will outspeed +nature base 90 speed pokemon (Lucario etc..) and neutral natured base 100 speed pokemon (Jirachi etc..).

Best of luck with the future.

Just a little nitpick, there is no nature on Froslass but I'm assuming its Timid/Modest

 

[franky]

Hail team is always interesting, although with the same typing as the others, you have to cover your threats nicely. Lets patch up some weakness for now - Jolly Lucario will murder you, so a simply patch up would be placing Jolly on Gliscor to outspeed it and OHKO it back with Earthquake. Another thing I noticed is that this weak is too weak to Infernape and what I will say is add a solid resist to both Fire- and Fighting-type attacks. Latias should patch this up as it gives a good synergy to the team

Latias
@ Life Orb
Timid Nature (Spe+ / Atk-)
252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe

- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Draco Meteor
- Recover

This over Mamoswine - who doesn't really do much for the team. With its high Special Defense, it won't mind coming on on Infernape, Heatran, Jolteon and such. Recover is the best thing on the set, which lets you heal those random Scarf Heatran Fire Blast and survive for a long time. Thunderbolt prevents Gyarados from any set-up. Surf kills Infernape and hits Tyranitar and Scizor at the same time. Draco Meteor is for STAB and hitting guys that don't resist it. Latias provides excellent synergy with your sweepers as it acts as reliable checks to many fighting and fire type sweepers.

Now to lessen the chances of Gyarados sweeping, I would place Confuse Ray for Thunderbolt, so it won't get a free Taunt and basically it scares it off. The plan with Gyarados is not letting it set up. Again Hp Electric for Tentacruel to lessen Gyarados' chances of setting up. Gyarados is a major threat, so just try to avoid getting dd's. As for other options go, give Ice Shard over Substitute a try and Protect over Focus Punch. Ice Shard will check locked in Salamence, gl. Although Salamence is a minor threat, it can't set up much on your Pokemon.

 

[Rokudo]

Hail team is always interesting, although with the same typing as the others, you have to cover your threats nicely. Lets patch up some weakness for now - Jolly Lucario will murder you, so a simply patch up would be placing Jolly on Gliscor to outspeed it and OHKO it back with Earthquake. Another thing I noticed is that this weak is too weak to Infernape and what I will say is add a solid resist to both Fire- and Fighting-type attacks. Latias should patch this up as it gives a good synergy to the team

Latias
@ Life Orb
Timid Nature (Spe+ / Atk-)
252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe

- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Draco Meteor
- Recover

This over Mamoswine - who doesn't really do much for the team. With its high Special Defense, it won't mind coming on on Infernape, Heatran, Jolteon and such. Recover is the best thing on the set, which lets you heal those random Scarf Heatran Fire Blast and survive for a long time. Thunderbolt prevents Gyarados from any set-up. Surf kills Infernape and hits Tyranitar and Scizor at the same time. Draco Meteor is for STAB and hitting guys that don't resist it. Latias provides excellent synergy with your sweepers as it acts as reliable checks to many fighting and fire type sweepers.

Now to lessen the chances of Gyarados sweeping, I would place Confuse Ray for Thunderbolt, so it won't get a free Taunt and basically it scares it off. The plan with Gyarados is not letting it set up. Again Hp Electric for Tentacruel to lessen Gyarados' chances of setting up. Gyarados is a major threat, so just try to avoid getting dd's. As for other options go, give Ice Shard over Substitute a try and Protect over Focus Punch. Ice Shard will check locked in Salamence, gl. Although Salamence is a minor threat, it can't set up much on your Pokemon.

Actually i might try latias. But i might keep hp fire instead of surf to kill off scizor

 

[Rokudo]

No One has any other suggestions?

 

[franky]

216 and Jolly on Gliscor outpaces Jolly Lucario, who otherwise troubles this team.

 

[Aprovleptos]

Great hail team.

I would like to suggest though a different EV spread for Gliscor.
you should run:196 HP / 96 Atk / 216 (jolly)

It lets you outrun jolly lucario and OHKO it with Earthquake.96 Atk EVs to 2HKO lead Metagross.The reat are put into HP.

 

[xWOLFYx]

It looks like Tyranitar could really rip this team apart. Bulky Tars can sponge your special attacks and hit everything on your team hard. DDTar can easily get a DD up on half your pokes and cause you trouble. A health Gliscor could check CBTar, but he will have trouble switching in since CB Stone Edge hurts quite a bit:

604 Atk vs 302 Def & 354 HP (100 Base Power): 216 - 255 (61.02% - 72.03%)

That is with your initial Gliscor spread. If you opt for the above spreads, you'll take even more damage. Everything else on your team will take over 9000 damage from his attacks and your threat list is lolworthy as Subpunching Abomasnow is not a reliable way of stopping Tyranitar.

You could try fitting Swampert in as he shrugs off CBTar's attacks and can hit hard with STAB EQ. He also makes a reliable phazer to spread entry hazard damage. With SR on Gliscor, you could even use Roar and Protect to help you toxic / hail stall.

Another poke that works well on hail teams is Nidoqueen. She has respectable bulk and would give your team a welcome Rock resist as well as serving as another line of defense against Lucario. You could even give her TSpikes, SR, or many other options as she has a great movepool.

I don't think Froslass is a very good spin blocker. She is frail, takes 25% from SR on the switch and can't even touch the most common spinners with Ice Beam (i.e.: Starmie, Forretress, Tentacruel). If you're looking for a spin blocker, Rotom-A is definitely the best and it also gives you a reliable counter to Scizor, who can cause your team problems with Bullet Punch / Superpower / Pursuit / Uturn. Rest talk Rotom is tried and true:

Rotom-A @ lefties
Bold
252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpDef

Will O Wisp
Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball
Rest
Sleep Talk

Good luck with the team. I find hail stall to be very interesting since Ice is such a terrible defensive typing. It is difficult to cover all its weaknesses with only 6 pokes.

 

[Rokudo]

Thank to everyone who has posted. I was thinking about a different lead like a jirachi lead with trick and how about instead of latias i put in glaceon choice speced. That can be a really good revenge killer and it can hurt everyone with choice speced blizzard plus stab.

 

[Bloo]

If using Roar on Walrein, use a spread of 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe. This will allow Walrein to outspeed Skarmory and Swampert, meaning you can phaze then away before they phaze your Substitute away. This is rather important because most of the time, Walrein will have a Substitute up and Swampert or Skarmory may come in and phaze you with Roar and Whirlwind respectively, meaning that Walrein will have to find another chance to use Substitute to continue stalling once they phaze you away. It is just better if you can outspeed them without having to worry about the aforesaid Pokemon outspeeding and phazing your Substitute away.

On Abomasnow, you're using Calm...Calm nature lowers Abomasnow's Attack, meaning Focus Punch will become weaker since its a physical attack. If you want a +Special Defense nature, use Sassy (+SpD, -Spe) That's the best nature for a +Special Defense one since the other +Special Defense natures either lower your Attack, Defense, and Special Attack, all of which Abomasnow needs. Also, using Defense EVs on Abomasnow really don't accomplish much. Most of the physical attacks that Abomasnow attracts (such as Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Fire Punch, Meteor Mash, etc) will all KO Abomasnow, making Defense EVs rather unnecessary. Instead, you could use a spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD. That will allow you to wall bulky Water-types and Electric-types better, as they will likely fail to break your Substitute, meaning you can stall them out with Leech Seed.

I find a spread of 32 HP / 224 SpA / 252 Spe with Leftovers is better then what you currently have on Froslass. With the EVs + Leftovers, you'll be able to create Substitute five times, while your opponent possibly misses thanks to Snow Cloak. Leftovers helps Froslass gain HP back when your opponent is missing with their attacks, meaning you'll live a bit longer. BrightPowder does nothing if your opponent is actually setting up their own entry hazards like you are with Froslass or are boosting one of their stats with moves such as Calm Mind, Swords Dance, Agility, etc. Basically, Leftovers allows you to continue replenishing your HP and create more Substitute's. If BrightPowder works for you, keep it.

Thank to everyone who has posted. I was thinking about a different lead like a jirachi lead with trick and how about instead of latias I put in glaceon choice speced. That can be a really good revenge killer and it can hurt everyone with choice speced blizzard plus stab.

The only thing you're doing by using a Jirachi lead and replacing Latias with Glaceon is increasing a weakness to Fire-type Pokemon like Infernape and Heatran, in addition to Pokemon like Heat Wave / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ice Zapdos, which hits your entire team super effectively. Without Latias, you will be more vulnerable to Infernape and Heatran, as Tentacruel is your best chance against it, and without recovery, Tentacruel will not be able to stick around for that long. You might say "Infernape is not a problem, Earthquake from Gliscor handles it" like you say in your threat list. You do know that Infernape commonly carry Hidden Power Ice right? Infernape outruns Infernape and kills it with HP Ice, so the only way Gliscor is beating Infernape is by hitting it on the switch-in (who would switch Infernape in on Gliscor anyways?) Basically, if you replace Latias with Glaceon, you'll have a harder time with Infernape, Heatran, and Zapdos, which is something you don't want. So stick with Latias. If you go with a Jirachi lead over Gliscor lead, then you'll have a bigger weakness to Fighting-types like Lucario (assuming Jirachi does not carry Fire Punch) and Machamp. Jirachi cannot repeatedly switch-in on Lucario and Machamp like Gliscor can. Again, you'll increase a weakness to Fire-type Pokemon by using Jirachi. Gliscor is your cushion against Fighting-types, so I suggest keeping it.

 

[Rokudo]

guys i thought of using a trick latias.

 

[Pride]

As of now I see to very dangerous things, a weakness to DDTar, DDMence, and DDLOGyarados. All three are disgustingly common and can set up on thier respected pokemon (Mence, Gyarados, and Ttar can all set up tentacruel, and ttar as the added bonus of setting up on Latias) and from there is very little your team can do. One way to help shore this up could be CBScizor w/ Quick Attack. Bullet Punch takes care of Sally and ttar nicely. Quick Attack is nowhere near as strong as Bullet Punch, itll leave a nice dent in min/min Gyarados with atleast 39% to it. Not the best check but if it has LO and sr is up, it'll be worn down much quicker. Resttalk Gyarados is much easier for this team to handle with Walrien. Scizor could fit over Latias who isnt giving the team much imo.

Also I would run Blizzard on both Walrien and Frolass just for the sheer power.

 

[Rokudo]

As of now I see to very dangerous things, a weakness to DDTar, DDMence, and DDLOGyarados. All three are disgustingly common and can set up on thier respected pokemon (Mence, Gyarados, and Ttar can all set up tentacruel, and ttar as the added bonus of setting up on Latias) and from there is very little your team can do. One way to help shore this up could be CBScizor w/ Quick Attack. Bullet Punch takes care of Sally and ttar nicely. Quick Attack is nowhere near as strong as Bullet Punch, itll leave a nice dent in min/min Gyarados with atleast 39% to it. Not the best check but if it has LO and sr is up, it'll be worn down much quicker. Resttalk Gyarados is much easier for this team to handle with Walrien. Scizor could fit over Latias who isnt giving the team much imo.

Also I would run Blizzard on both Walrien and Frolass just for the sheer power.

But the reason i keep latias is to take out scizor and with that gone scizor would kill my entire team..