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The reason I've chose Roy Keane's tackle? Because it was intentional and the most serious injury to a player that I can recall, in which Keane only got a 3 match ban for.

Roy Keane ended Alf Inge Haaland's career. Adebayor merely gave Van Persie some cuts on his face.... I don't need to here about what could've happend cos all that matters in the end is what did happen. If he managed to take out Persie's eye, that is a life ban, but he didn't.

IMO Diving is a more serious offence than this, Eduardo's ban shouldn't have been revoked what message does that send? Cheat all you want cos nothing going to happen for it? If you get caught no worries, Uefa will withdraw it, if you don't you've given your team an advantage it's a win-win.

People leave clubs all the time, but none have got that hate campaign that Arsenal have given Adebayor in all fairness is fairly unjust. Adebayor left because Arsenal aren't going anywhere within the next 5 years, At least with Man City he has a shot.

But in fairness, I can't be arsed to talk about this anymore, your obviously a biased gooner, so no matter what, Arsenal is always in the right eh?

and Joel in regards to your last post unfair to single out one player? Rio Ferdinand 8 month ban for missing a drugs test. Other players have been caught cheating by drugs and punishment was alot less severe... Others have missed tests and didn't get a ban. Where was the governing's body sense there?
 
EconBiscuit said:
The reason I've chose Roy Keane's tackle? Because it was intentional and the most serious injury to a player that I can recall, in which Keane only got a 3 match ban for.

People leave clubs all the time, but none have got that hate campaign that Arsenal have given Adebayor in all fairness is fairly unjust. Adebayor left because Arsenal aren't going anywhere within the next 5 years, At least with Man City he has a shot.

But in fairness, I can't be arsed to talk about this anymore, your obviously a biased gooner, so no matter what, Arsenal is always in the right eh?
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Ouch. :pirate:
 
EconBiscuit said:
The reason I've chose Roy Keane's tackle? Because it was intentional and the most serious injury to a player that I can recall, in which Keane only got a 3 match ban for.

Roy Keane ended Alf Inge Haaland's career. Adebayor merely gave Van Persie some cuts on his face.... I don't need to here about what could've happend cos all that matters in the end is what did happen. If he managed to take out Persie's eye, that is a life ban, but he didn't.

IMO Diving is a more serious offence than this, Eduardo's ban shouldn't have been revoked what message does that send? Cheat all you want cos nothing going to happen for it? If you get caught no worries, Uefa will withdraw it, if you don't you've given your team an advantage it's a win-win.

People leave clubs all the time, but none have got that hate campaign that Arsenal have given Adebayor in all fairness is fairly unjust. Adebayor left because Arsenal aren't going anywhere within the next 5 years, At least with Man City he has a shot.

But in fairness, I can't be arsed to talk about this anymore, your obviously a biased gooner, so no matter what, Arsenal is always in the right eh?

and Joel in regards to your last post unfair to single out one player? Rio Ferdinand 8 month ban for missing a drugs test. Other players have been caught cheating by drugs and punishment was alot less severe... Others have missed tests and didn't get a ban. Where was the governing's body sense there?
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So diving is worse than intentionally stamping on someones face??? Please think before you say things, I've got 5 year old nieces smarter than you. Why just because he missed Van Persies eye by a few inches should he get a completely different punishment to what would have happened had he got it. His intent was to cause pain and he deserves a match ban. Yes, Roy Keane should have got banned for life for what he did, but me saying singling a palayer out for something does not refer to this situation, thousands of players dive, but you don't see all these players going round stamping on people's face.

Ok, maybe we had been a bit mean to Adebayor in some ways, but this doesn't give him the right to stamp on Van Persie. I will admit that as a Arsenal supporter, I may be biased at times, but believe me this is not one of those times, if it had been the other way round and Van Persie had stamped on Adebayor, then I would have wanted Van Persie banned for life.

Your argument is just pathetic.
 
Tbh, Eduardo's ban was only lifted, imo, because Fifa have never really done anything about it in the past, so to go from nothing, to a 3 match ban is just ridiculous, at least without a formal warning to the players before the season begins, hell if Eduardo got a 3 match ban for one dive, imagine how long Ronaldo would've been banned for last season!

On the Adebayor incident, he Definitely deserves a 6 match ban. To sign a new contract + pledge your alliegence to a club, only to leave weeks later is pretty disrespectful, to sprint 90 yards just to taunt the fans you left behind is completely against the spirit of the game.

The stamp shouldv'e been a straight red. There is No Way he didn't intend it, and any incident involving the head should have prety serious repercussions, considering how close to the eye he was too, he definitely deserves a ban for that.

That's all coming from a neutral viewpoint as a Liverpool fan.

Arsenal aren't going anywhere within the next 5 years, At least with Man City he has a shot.
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Made me lol. Man City lack proper teamwork. Theyre an inferior chelsea, pure and simple. They've pretty much abandoned the players prior to money, like Dunne, who worked their arses off for the club, brought in some "big" named players, and expected them to win the premier league. It just isn't going to happen, while there are clubs who field a strong team, who actually know how to work together, and can play to each others strengths. Arsenal are still just missing Henry's influence, but they should be able to fill that gap eventually, and they will come back much stronger.
 
LOL defending Adebayor is riduculous, even the ref said he missed the challenge or else he would've sent him off. Adebayor should be banned for at least the whole season.

Diving worse than stamping on someone's face intentionally? Give me a break...
 
Yes, Diving is worse that chopping a player down intentionally any day. Chopping a player down will in reality only affect two players, Where as diving affects the whole match.

I would rather my team be full of people like Billy Bremnar, Roy Keane e.t.c, A quick stamp on your opponents ankle, kick elbow in the side it's all apart of the game really. Theatrical diving is ruining football. Yes 1k's of players dive but does that make it right? No it does not.

Lets have this arguement, If you attempt to kill someone, and fail, Should you get murder because the intent was there? If you want to commit GBH against someone but only manage ABH should you get the full Punishment of GBH? No you shouldn't. Don't give me a whole crap of what could've happend, because as I said before in the end it's pointless... Football is all about If's and But's otherwise it wouldn't be football.

I am not saying he does not deserve a match ban because he does, but the whole malarky of banning for life... As if.

If the boot was on the other foot and Van persie stomped on Adebayor you'd be screaming from the rooftops saying it was accidental. Also, interesting fact I found out today. Adebayor left Arsenal because of the fans, because of the way they treated their players...

@ Keehauled: I love it how you said you were neutral and unbiased but you single handedly pointed out Ronaldo for Diving. Made me chuckle.

Lifting Eduardo ban - Yes they have never really clamped down on Diving before, but they have to make a stance against it... Now from what I can UEFA's standpoint on diving is ok. Dive all you want there is no consequences for it. Just because they haven't done it in the past, doesn't mean they should start clamping down on it now. Look at back 70's of football, stamping on players was common place, now apparently there is some big uproar about it and people need to have the book thrown at them. Same thing for diving really.

Adebayor - To be fair at most 4 match ban on the stamp, they're only throwing the book at him for the running the length of the pitch was because of the whole Millwall Vs. West Ham thing a couple of weeks ago, and FA need to look like they are doing something to keep the police happy. If i was getting a huge amount of stick from certain fans and If I scored a goal against the team, I would run the length of the pitch and kiss my badge esp. in Adebayor's case where, according to reports, the Gooner's have sent death threats to his family.

Adebayor didn't magically jump up and signed for Man City on his own accord, Arsenal ACCEPTED the offer for him in the first place, and if you have been getting sick of your fans before you were offered a contract which paid more/better prospects are you telling me you would stay at that club? Adebayor was unhappy at Arsenal because of the fickleness of the fan's. If Arsenal didn't want him to leave, they shouldn't have accepted the offer for him.

In regards to stamping on his head, Yes Ban is in order, I don't disagree but 4 tops.

Man City do lack proper team work, but in the next 5 years, who do you think will be higher in the league? Arsenal's grip on the premiership has slowly declined since the Invincibles, They don't have the ability to break into the top 3, and now losing 20 goals with the loss of Adebayor, can you see them holding 4th this year? Man City have better prospects because they have money to burn, and I think if Man City doesn't expect everything straight away like Abramovich demanded.. I can see them being a force to be reckoned with in 5 years.

Arsenal is missing alot, putting it down to just Henry is naive, to narrowly come 4th last season then lose their top scorer and not replace him with another goal scorer. Even if they play fantastically well (like they did against Utd.) without those goals, they ain't going very far.

And Pablo - Diving is worse than intentionally injuring a player... Always and forever in my book. Maybe it's just because I am used to intentional injuries from watching football all my life, and seeing how I mainly pay attention to Non-League football such as the Blue Square Premier, North/South, but yeah Diving is worse.

But Season long ban for stamping on a players face? You saying stamping on a player's face is equal to the punishment for karate kicking a fan?
 
I see where you're coming from Ghandi, but I don't think you're right in saying that an intentional bad challange on a player only effects the players involved.

Let's say that in the 07/08 season, Man Utd were dominant mainly because of Cristiano Ronaldo's goal tally. If somebody intentionally breaks Ronaldo's leg with a tackle and Man Utd go on to not win the Premier League and Champions League that season, does that only effect Ronaldo and the player who did the damage?

I don't think so.

In other news, I'm glad United managed to break through Besiktas tonight. That was a very tough game, the crowd were incredible and Besiktas were very organised. Wolfsburg will be a tough challenge soon as well.
 
EconBiscuit said:
The reason I've chose Roy Keane's tackle? Because it was intentional and the most serious injury to a player that I can recall, in which Keane only got a 3 match ban for.

Roy Keane ended Alf Inge Haaland's career.
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Keane got a 6 match ban, there was no point in banning him for longer since his hip was fucked and he was already out for a few months. And Haaland's career was ended due to an injury in the other knee than which Keane injured. And quite frankly, the guy was a cunt in the first place for calling Keane a diver when he'd done his cruciate ligament in his knee.
 
Absolutely amazing Manchester derby!

Manchester United 4-3 Manchester City

Michael Owen comes on to score the winner after 95 minutes, brilliant.
 
City fans are going to be furious about the amount of actual injury time (6) versus the supposed one (4)... but well Bellamy's goal celebrations after 90 minutes did take up some time eh?
 
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City fans are going to be furious about the amount of actual injury time (6) versus the supposed one (4)... but well Bellamy's goal celebrations after 90 minutes did take up some time eh?
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Bellamy's celebrations, substitutions by both teams.... they added up. Enough for Owen to become a hero.
 
Yeh, in all honest, there were plenty of situations deemed as 'stoppages' that can count towards stoppage time.

- Four goal celebrations
- So many fouls
- Bookings
- Four or five substitutions?

I think that amasses to more than four minutes worth, and considering that there was a substitution, goal + celebration and a free kick that took a while, all in stoppage time, I think there was at least an extra minute in there. City also got their extra time added for Owen's celebration, taking the finishing time of the game well over 96 minutes. But they couldn't take advantage of the extra time.

They were dominated for the entire second half, so I'm just glad that Ferdinand's horrible error didn't cost us three points in the end. It would've been mad for us to not win that game. Ryan Giggs was brilliant.
 
Yeah, Giggs was godly.

Berbatov wasn't bad. He did get a few headers on target, but Given was amazing as well.
 
Oh man, what an amazing game. So many positives to take out of it too.

Very happy for Owen, who now becomes an instant hero.

Giggs played very well today, 3 assists is awesome.

Also enjoyed seeing Fletcher scoring two goals, he's come a long way. I still remember a few years back when I cringed whenever he was playing. Just didn't think he was good enough for United. Now, he's become one of my favorite players.

And finally, Rooney with yet another goal. That's how many goals now?
 
The stoppage time was fair, given Bellamy's minute long celebration and the substitution. Though I find it extremely funny that people forget that it was 3-3 at the time and that it was also 7 minutes for City to score themselves. Obviously, we were twatting as we did all for about 60 minutes of the match and they were only interested in holding on.

I'm also extremely interested to see if Taylor still thinks that Fletcher and Giggs aren't good enough for Utd. Both were immense.
 
what a agme.. the time added on was correct it was worked out that on the celebration and substitution in that period was equil to one second BEFORE the goal, add the time on for the free kick its fine
 
I think Mark Hughes was only using the added time thing as an excuse to cover the fact that City's defense is such a mess, that they couldn't even hold on for five minutes or so to claim a draw. The goal celebration took close to a minute, and the substitution adds another 30 seconds, so the amount of added time was just. Hughes should just accept that United deserved their victory, in what was surely an early contender for game of the season.
 
Actually no. The added time from bookings and stuff should be included in the extra 4 Min. There is no reason to go over board. And they went over by 1 Minute 26 Seconds, making the time 95.26

Owen scored at 95.27 City have the right to complain.
 
there are a few extra parts
givens time wasting on a goal kick, the free kick we scored from... theres a few more seconds.
and anyway the ref isn't going to be looking at his watch when action is in the area.. city could of scored in that time, they decided to waste time, and got punished.
city can complain... but they have to play to the whistle, and should have held the ball in those 4 minutes instead of booting it down field.
and message to tevez...
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Like i said, the referee should have accounted for all the extra time in Injury time. And im sure 4 min is very generous including all those extra seconds from free kicks and stuff.
 
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