Hello, it's Kaede with his new team. I played with it for a while and it works pretty well, but I would like to read the opinion of other people because it's always a great way to see weaknesses you didn't spot or possible improvements that you weren't aware of.
Recent changes will be in Bold
-- The Team at a glance --
-- Evolution of the team --
This team is an improvement of a team I made a lot of time ago, which was also posted as a RTM. Let's se the changes.
First try:
I wanted a team with a surprise starter, so I went with a Scarfed Venusaur.
When the starter was decided, I wanted something to put up rocks and heatran came to my mind. It was odd, because I hadn't seen any Heatran using stealth rock, but I was going to give it a try because he was also was a good scizor counter and could absorb fire attacks directed to Venusaur.
Then I wanted two sweepers. Gyarados has always liked me, but I had never tried it, so was selected. Then I looked for something to cover Gyarados weaknesses, and electivire with his motordrive came to my mind.
To complete my team I decided to use my favourite special wall carrying flamethrower and a double priority revenge killer. However, blissey did not stay there for a long time, because when Latias became OU, I wanted to test her, so she replaced the pink ball.
Second try:
After testing the team for a while I realised that it didn't work very well. Gyarados was too slow and Electivire didn't do his job well. He failed at 1HKOing a lot of things that I wanted to KO. At that point, I decided to put the team to revision here, so I made a RTM
Before RTM:
After RTM:
Three of my pokemon got their EVs Changed. Gyarados became Jolly, outspeeding Jolteon after 1 DD and I replaced Lucario with Scizor. Some somgon guy suggested me to replace Electivire with mixed Flygon and I gave it a try. I have to say that a lot of people also suggested replacing Venusaur with Roserade, but since I always failed (and still fail) sleep powder, I prefered Venusaur defenses.
Third Try and Actual team:
After that I left pokemon for a long time. I started playing again 1 or 2 months ago and I started to use that team. After some battles I realised that Suicune owned all my team most of the time, as did some Swamperts. Flygon did well his job, but he wasn't shining, so I thought about a replacement to get the two water dogs out of the way and finally the team became what it is now:
I finally replaced Venusaur with roserade and Flygon was replaced with an offensive Zapdos, who carries HP Grass and Thunderbolt to take care of those hated Swampert and Suicune.
-- Depth Look --
-- The starter --
Roserade @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
44 HP / 212 Speed / 252 Sp. Attack
- Leaf Storm
- Sleep Powder
- Shadow ball
- HP ice
So here you have the starter. This Roserade is basically a better copy of what my old venusaur was. It's main use is putting to sleep the rival's starter with Sleep Powder (if it doesn't fail -.-) and then switch to Heatran. I wanted to invest some Evs on HP to provide her of more durability to survive if sleep powder failed but I'm not sure of this spread. Anyway, since now it worked really well against a lot of common starters. Taunt starters like aerodactyl usually expect a slower Roserade Starter and they use taunt to avoid the sleep powder, while they receive a Leaf Storm in the face.
She's also useful for the lategame, when things have been weakened, and is one of the pokemon able to take out my most feared pokemon: Suicune.
-- Stealth Rock User --
Heatran @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
244 HP / 248 Defence / 16 Sp. Attack
- WoW
- Fire blast
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
He is normally second in battle. After sleeping the rival's pokemon, Heatran comes out and puts rocks up. I use him on a defensive way, spreading random status and crippling some physical sweepers every now and then. The special attack evs provide a 1HKO to gengar, so I find it useful. He's also my main switch if I predict an explosion because he takes them very well.
Earth power is there for coverage in case it is needed.
-- The Sweepers --
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
The first of my sweepers, and always useful, Gyarados. There is not much to explain here, it's a simple Dragon Dancer.
I choose Jolly and those EVs because this way I can outspeed modest Jolteon after 1 Dragon Dance, which gets a lot of Jolteon users off-guard. Also Intimidate is really useful when fighting Salamence, and Stone edge can KO him after, but it has shaky accuracy.
He usually takes 1, 2 or even 3 pokemon before going down and forces a lot of switches with intimidate, I really apreciatte this one. Intimidate must be one of the best abilities in the game.
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Zapdos @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
4 HP / 252 Speed / 252 Sp. Attack
- Thunderbolt
- HP Grass
- Roost
- Heat Wave
Zapdos found a place in my team with the main objective of taking down Swampert & Suicune.
I did choose an offensive Zapdos because I really wanted to take them out as faster as possible, and I also needed something to hit hard with some durability, that's why Roost is his last move.
He's my most recent team member but he has done well until now.
Sadly I fought a Swampert and I failed to 1HKO with HP Grass, I don't know if the rival invested EVs in Sp.Defense or HP grass is not enough to deal with it, so I would like to see what do you think about it.
I also would like to know if you think that a defensive version would be better for my team.
-- The Pseudo-Special Wall --
Latias @ Leftovers
Nature Timid
204 HP / 252 Speed / 52 Sp.Attack
- Dragon Pulse
- Calm Mind
- HP Fire
- Recover
When Latias became OU, I replaced my blissey by her, because I wanted something that could take special hits while having some offensive potential.
Her main job is to take special hits and boost with Calm Mind. I often use HP fire when latias is sent out because lots of scizors appear when she is shown and it works pretty well.
I also like that she outspeeds salamence if not scarfed and can 1HKO most of the time if the rocks are up and salamence hasn't invested in special defense.
She can also be used to sweep most of the rival team if I get 3 or 4 calm mind's up and she tends to be bait for exploding rivals, perfect for switching to Heatran and getting a free KO.
-- The Revenge Killer --
Scizor @ Life orb
Nature: Adamant
32 HP / 252 Attack / 224 Speed
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Swords Dance
- SuperPower
And the last one, my double priority revenge killer. I love double priority, so I doubt I'm going to change it if you don't like to, because it proved useful to me.
Finally I decided replacing Pursuit with SuperPower. Double priority proved to be very useful a lot of time while pursuit wasn't as effective. It really destroyed Latias and gengar if they were leaving the scenario, but bullet punch will do a lot of damage to the next pokemon Anyway.
He basically comes when one of my pokemon goes down and the foe is with low HP to get the revenge kill. Also perfect for getting ride of Blisseys or Latias, trapping them with pursuit / bullet punch.
If revenge kill has not been needed, I try to keep him hidden until the lategame and then when everything is weekened he pops out from nowhere, gets the SD boost and starts a sweep that basically means: win.
He's the most loved bug and he deserves to be.
-- Threats I had problems with --
Dusknoir: Only faced one, but it crippled all my team.
Suicune: I still don't know if Zapdos will be able to counter it efficiently because I had a lot of battles, but none of those had Suicune as protagonist.
Snorlax: Fought one. Scizor's Superpower failed to KO, as expected, and he autodestructed in my face. So Scizor failed.
Tyranitar: Scizor failed at getting Ttar out of the way. Only fought one, it was a dragon dancer. After the DD, he could outspeed my scizor and owned all my team.
Machamp: Everytime restalk Machamp appears, he keeps dinamicpunching to death all my pokemon, and they love to destroy themselves while confused.
Red are my main fears, while orange are the ones that gave me problems in some battles. Green are threats I have made a change in my team to take care of, but haven't had the opportunity to test it yet.
Well, and that was all. Thank you for your attention, any help will be appreciated.
Kaede11
Recent changes will be in Bold
-- The Team at a glance --
-- Evolution of the team --
This team is an improvement of a team I made a lot of time ago, which was also posted as a RTM. Let's se the changes.
First try:
I wanted a team with a surprise starter, so I went with a Scarfed Venusaur.
When the starter was decided, I wanted something to put up rocks and heatran came to my mind. It was odd, because I hadn't seen any Heatran using stealth rock, but I was going to give it a try because he was also was a good scizor counter and could absorb fire attacks directed to Venusaur.
Then I wanted two sweepers. Gyarados has always liked me, but I had never tried it, so was selected. Then I looked for something to cover Gyarados weaknesses, and electivire with his motordrive came to my mind.
To complete my team I decided to use my favourite special wall carrying flamethrower and a double priority revenge killer. However, blissey did not stay there for a long time, because when Latias became OU, I wanted to test her, so she replaced the pink ball.
Second try:
After testing the team for a while I realised that it didn't work very well. Gyarados was too slow and Electivire didn't do his job well. He failed at 1HKOing a lot of things that I wanted to KO. At that point, I decided to put the team to revision here, so I made a RTM
Before RTM:
After RTM:
Three of my pokemon got their EVs Changed. Gyarados became Jolly, outspeeding Jolteon after 1 DD and I replaced Lucario with Scizor. Some somgon guy suggested me to replace Electivire with mixed Flygon and I gave it a try. I have to say that a lot of people also suggested replacing Venusaur with Roserade, but since I always failed (and still fail) sleep powder, I prefered Venusaur defenses.
Third Try and Actual team:
After that I left pokemon for a long time. I started playing again 1 or 2 months ago and I started to use that team. After some battles I realised that Suicune owned all my team most of the time, as did some Swamperts. Flygon did well his job, but he wasn't shining, so I thought about a replacement to get the two water dogs out of the way and finally the team became what it is now:
I finally replaced Venusaur with roserade and Flygon was replaced with an offensive Zapdos, who carries HP Grass and Thunderbolt to take care of those hated Swampert and Suicune.
-- Depth Look --
-- The starter --
Roserade @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
44 HP / 212 Speed / 252 Sp. Attack
- Leaf Storm
- Sleep Powder
- Shadow ball
- HP ice
So here you have the starter. This Roserade is basically a better copy of what my old venusaur was. It's main use is putting to sleep the rival's starter with Sleep Powder (if it doesn't fail -.-) and then switch to Heatran. I wanted to invest some Evs on HP to provide her of more durability to survive if sleep powder failed but I'm not sure of this spread. Anyway, since now it worked really well against a lot of common starters. Taunt starters like aerodactyl usually expect a slower Roserade Starter and they use taunt to avoid the sleep powder, while they receive a Leaf Storm in the face.
She's also useful for the lategame, when things have been weakened, and is one of the pokemon able to take out my most feared pokemon: Suicune.
-- Stealth Rock User --
Heatran @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
244 HP / 248 Defence / 16 Sp. Attack
- WoW
- Fire blast
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
He is normally second in battle. After sleeping the rival's pokemon, Heatran comes out and puts rocks up. I use him on a defensive way, spreading random status and crippling some physical sweepers every now and then. The special attack evs provide a 1HKO to gengar, so I find it useful. He's also my main switch if I predict an explosion because he takes them very well.
Earth power is there for coverage in case it is needed.
-- The Sweepers --
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
The first of my sweepers, and always useful, Gyarados. There is not much to explain here, it's a simple Dragon Dancer.
I choose Jolly and those EVs because this way I can outspeed modest Jolteon after 1 Dragon Dance, which gets a lot of Jolteon users off-guard. Also Intimidate is really useful when fighting Salamence, and Stone edge can KO him after, but it has shaky accuracy.
He usually takes 1, 2 or even 3 pokemon before going down and forces a lot of switches with intimidate, I really apreciatte this one. Intimidate must be one of the best abilities in the game.
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Zapdos @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
4 HP / 252 Speed / 252 Sp. Attack
- Thunderbolt
- HP Grass
- Roost
- Heat Wave
Zapdos found a place in my team with the main objective of taking down Swampert & Suicune.
I did choose an offensive Zapdos because I really wanted to take them out as faster as possible, and I also needed something to hit hard with some durability, that's why Roost is his last move.
He's my most recent team member but he has done well until now.
Sadly I fought a Swampert and I failed to 1HKO with HP Grass, I don't know if the rival invested EVs in Sp.Defense or HP grass is not enough to deal with it, so I would like to see what do you think about it.
I also would like to know if you think that a defensive version would be better for my team.
-- The Pseudo-Special Wall --
Latias @ Leftovers
Nature Timid
204 HP / 252 Speed / 52 Sp.Attack
- Dragon Pulse
- Calm Mind
- HP Fire
- Recover
When Latias became OU, I replaced my blissey by her, because I wanted something that could take special hits while having some offensive potential.
Her main job is to take special hits and boost with Calm Mind. I often use HP fire when latias is sent out because lots of scizors appear when she is shown and it works pretty well.
I also like that she outspeeds salamence if not scarfed and can 1HKO most of the time if the rocks are up and salamence hasn't invested in special defense.
She can also be used to sweep most of the rival team if I get 3 or 4 calm mind's up and she tends to be bait for exploding rivals, perfect for switching to Heatran and getting a free KO.
-- The Revenge Killer --
Scizor @ Life orb
Nature: Adamant
32 HP / 252 Attack / 224 Speed
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Swords Dance
- SuperPower
And the last one, my double priority revenge killer. I love double priority, so I doubt I'm going to change it if you don't like to, because it proved useful to me.
Finally I decided replacing Pursuit with SuperPower. Double priority proved to be very useful a lot of time while pursuit wasn't as effective. It really destroyed Latias and gengar if they were leaving the scenario, but bullet punch will do a lot of damage to the next pokemon Anyway.
He basically comes when one of my pokemon goes down and the foe is with low HP to get the revenge kill. Also perfect for getting ride of Blisseys or Latias, trapping them with pursuit / bullet punch.
If revenge kill has not been needed, I try to keep him hidden until the lategame and then when everything is weekened he pops out from nowhere, gets the SD boost and starts a sweep that basically means: win.
He's the most loved bug and he deserves to be.
-- Threats I had problems with --
Dusknoir: Only faced one, but it crippled all my team.
Suicune: I still don't know if Zapdos will be able to counter it efficiently because I had a lot of battles, but none of those had Suicune as protagonist.
Snorlax: Fought one. Scizor's Superpower failed to KO, as expected, and he autodestructed in my face. So Scizor failed.
Tyranitar: Scizor failed at getting Ttar out of the way. Only fought one, it was a dragon dancer. After the DD, he could outspeed my scizor and owned all my team.
Machamp: Everytime restalk Machamp appears, he keeps dinamicpunching to death all my pokemon, and they love to destroy themselves while confused.
Red are my main fears, while orange are the ones that gave me problems in some battles. Green are threats I have made a change in my team to take care of, but haven't had the opportunity to test it yet.
Well, and that was all. Thank you for your attention, any help will be appreciated.
Kaede11
