Broderick's New [P]Hail Team! [OU RMT]

-Broderick- · Oct 7, 2009

Alright, it's been about 5 or 6 weeks since I made my last team, and lately it's just kind of lost its touch. I haven't been playing as well, and my rating has dropped to under 1150, last time I checked. D: So, I felt I needed a new team. Now, rather than whoring my balls off, I kind of wanted to take a fun approach to an OU team, while still countering all of its main threats, and using an under appreciated NU threat in Hail: Scarf Glaceon. With this team, after a night of tweaking and a few battles, I'm at about an 11-5 record, which is alright, but I think this team could use a bit of advice. Oh, and please, No ripping. I understand you using it if you're planning to rate my team, obviously, but please don't just use it because you're too lazy to make your own. =/ So, let's get started:

Thought Process

So, making my team, obviously I used Abomasnow here as a lead.

Now that I have my lead taken care of, I need something that can reliably get up Stealth Rocks, and serve as a physical wall Rock resistance. So, after a bit of brainstorming, I came up with Rhyperior.

Now, I've got a bit of a Scizor weakness. So, I need something to counter that, and I also need a bulky physical sweeper. Hm. Gyarados came to mind, packing Taunt and boasting great coverage with Waterfall and Bounce, both STABs.

Alright, I can see my team is a bit weak to Stealth Rock right now, and I have no real special oriented pokemon to scare opposing Gyarados away. I originally had Blastoise in this Rapid Spin spot for its bulk and ability to Toxic Stall effectively, but, after a bit of trial and error, I decided on Starmie, who bluffs Thunderbolt to scare Gyarados away.

So now that I have my team put together for the most part, it's time to add in my favorite sweeper EVER. Scarfed Blizzard Glaceon. :3

<--So cute amirite? =P

Okay, so I'm still feeling a bit weak to SD Scizor, and with a 6th spot needing to be filled, I think a scarfed Magnezone would work beautifully here. It stops Scizor in its tracks with HP Fire, and helps against opposing bulky Starmie, who also can be a bit of a pain.

Alright! I've got my full team here. Now let's take a more in-depth analysis.

Abomasnow@ Leftovers
Snow Warning
Adamant
252 Attack / 184 Speed / 72 Special Attack

Earthquake~
Wood Hammer~
Ice Shard~
Blizzard~

So, the whole Focus Sash thing... was wierd. I mean, it seemed good at the time, when I was facing a lot of people that just attacked me, but now that I've changed to a more defensive team with Swampert and ResTalk Gyarados, I can easily take the attacks Abomasnow's weak to. Same set, same EV's, just a different item.
A bit of an odd set, definetly, but, it's pretty effective so far. This set really isn't meant for switching out much, just to get rid of the opponents lead. The EV's are a bit funky, but they're for a purpose. Max attack because its my main form of attacking, 72 Special attack is mainly leftover, and I wanted Blizzard to be able to 2HKO Skarmory with hail up. Now, the 184 Speed puts me at... 201? 202? I can't remember. Whatever I put to outspeed the 200 mark, which a lot of bulky pokemon set themselves at. I've been through 4 sets including this one so far, the Scarfer, the Choice Bander, and the regular lead set. I'm having a real hard time getting a successful lead here with Abomasnow. I'm thinking of switching to something like a Heatran lead with HP Grass, just to get SR up easier, and more reliably, then bring in Abomasnow after that, or before I plan to bring Glaceon in, which is usually late game. Any suggestions on the matter would be greatly appreciated. :]

Team Synergy:

: I switch to either Gyarados, Starmie, or on the off change, Rhyperior if I haven't gotten rocks up yet.

: I go in to Gyarados about 98.9% of the time, on a physical attacker.

: Not a type I often encounter, but when I do, I head straight to Magnezone.

: Bug attacks I usually go in to Rhyperior to absorb them. Most Bug attacks are U-turn anyway, so eh.

: Again, Rhyperior.

: More often than not this is Iron Head or Bullet Punch, so I end up going in to Magnezone to take it.

: The only poison attack I've even encountered was Sludge Bomb on a Tentacruel, but I guess I'd go in to Magnezone.

Swampert@ Leftovers
Torrent
Relaxed
252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Speed

Stealth Rock~
Roar~
Earthquake~
Blizzard~

Changed from Rhyperior, (thanks for the suggestion bribes) Swampert does the same job, but sort of better. Less weaknesses, and Steel Resistance. He also has respectable special attack to run Blizzard and take advantage of hail.

Team Synergy:

: Grass type moves end up going to Magnezone more often than not.

Gyarados@ Leftovers
Intimidate
Impish
252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense

Waterfall~
Roar~
Rest~
Sleep Talk~

So Gyarados has been revised for the specific needs of my team, after suggestions from multiple people. I've changed it to a ResTalker with Roar, to completely counter Lucario and Scizor, and just for general survivability. I mean, the defense this thing packs is simply astronomical. It's helped a lot in the couple of matches I've used it in. Thanks to those people, for the suggestion. :)
God I love Gyara's Arkeis sprite... But anyway, this is my team's bulky sweeper. Taunt allows me to take care of Baton Passers, Stall, and other set-up sweepers as I Dragon Dance up. Bounce is an interesting choice on here because most people go for Stone Edge, but bounce hits Latias, Starmie, and Celebi much harder, so yeah. It also hits Breloom, which is a HUGE plus for my team, seeing as Breloom would normally devastate me.

Team Synergy:

: If I know that the electric attack is choiced, I go in to Rhyperior to take it and Roar or Stealth Rock on the predicted switch.

: Again, go straight back to Rhyperior, or Magnezone.

Starmie@ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Timid
136 HP / 156 Defense / 216 Speed

Rapid Spin~
Surf~
Thunderbolt~
Recover~

Starmie is another key pokemon on this team, my Rapid Spinner. As a hail team, 3 of my pokemon are weak to Stealth Rock, which with things like Suicune who carry Roar, that hurts a lot. So Starmie is here to solve that. As I said, I had Blastoise in this position for a bit, just because it was bulky, but it had lack of recover, so it didn't work out very well. Starmie's also pretty cool being able to bluff Ice Beam coming in on Salamence.

Team Synergy:

: Like I said, I often send in Rhyperior to take predicted bug attacks, but Gyarados and Magnezone also can take them.

: Magnezone and Rhyperior take electric attacks. I only send in Rhyperior on like, Jolteon if I already know it's specs though, and is forced to switch.

: Grass attacks can be taken by Magnezone. Grass attacks hurt me, though. Luckily there aren't that many of them. :3

: Dark attacks, I got back to Magnezone.

: Again, Magnezone.

Magnezone@ Choice Scarf
Magnet Pull
Naive
6 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed

Thunderbolt~
Flash Cannon~
Hidden Power [Fire]~
Explosion~

So my first scarfer, and immediate Scizor counter, Magnezone. Everyone knows what ScarfZone does, so I don't really need to explain. Magnezone is my second rock resist- well- more as a last gasp rock resist. I try to keep him at good health.

Team Synergy:

: Fire goes to Rhyperior, Gyarados... Starmie... yeah.

: Fighting attacks get directed to Starmie and Gyarados.

: Ground attacks are directed to Gyarados.

Glaceon@ Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Timid
6 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed

Blizzard~
Hidden Power [Ground]~
Signal Beam~
Ice Beam~

Changed Sleep Talk to Ice Beam, for a second STAB move, in case I run out of Power Points for Blizzard, or Sandstorm is up and I need Glaceon in right then, or if Abomasnow is down.

HELL YES. SCARF GLACEON. YEAH. My favorite scarfer EVER, this is the centerpiece and glue of my team. Glaceon comes in late-game after Scizor, Jirachi, and the like have been eliminated, and just goes ballistic with Blizzard. 120 Base power, plus STAB, plus 100% accurate in hail. My god, this thing just gives me like a PokeGasm... is that wierd? .-. But anyway, this is an odd set for a scarfer, but it works pretty well. I don't go for simply super effective moves with this set, since Blizzard is more poweful regularly effective with STAB than a standard 2x effective move. HP Ground is to hit Infernape coming in, or already in, Signal Beam is for Tyranitar if for some reason it's still alive after Abomasnow is down, and Blizzard is at normal accuracy.

One last glance:

Keep in mind, Abomasnow is the main pokemon I would want to change the moveset on, or possibly Rhyperior, I don't know. The team seems there, but I don't know, it just seems like something's missing... I can't put my finger on it.

So, if you've gotten this far, thank you for reading my RMT. I know it's been long, and monotonous, but I'd just like to adress everything in it, so if you plan to rate this, you can pretty much see in my head. :P
So, RMT! :3

-Broderick- · Oct 7, 2009

Threat list copy+pasted from Phillip7068's "Team of Torment", and edited for mine. Is that okay? :L

Defensive Threats:

Blissey - The pink blob is merely setup fodder for Gyarados after being Taunted. If Gyarados is gone though, it can be a pain, but it hasn't like, lost me any matches.

Bronzong - Eh, Magnezone can wither it down with Thunderbolt, but it does present a bit of a problem. I never see them though.

Celebi - Celebi is utterly destroyed by Glaceon. Gyarados can also do a number with Bounce.

Cresselia - Holy SHIT this is hard to take down. But, like Blissey, after Taunt it's basically set up fodder with Gyarados. I'm sure Glaceon can do a lot with Blizzard too. I've acually only seen one though.

Forretress - Again, Taunted by Gyarados. Magnezone traps and kills with HP Fire.

Gliscor - ...Really? lol.

Gyarados - Opposing Gyarados I don't see as often as a defensive threat, but Starmie and Magnezone have got it covered.

Hippowdon - Hippowdon is tricky, because Blizzard is only 70% accurate. I can survive and Earthquake with Glaceon if Blizzard misses though, and there's also Gyarados, so I think I'm alright.

Jirachi - Argh... Jirachi. Fucking Serene Grace abuser... blah. Defensive Jirach is a bit tougher, because.. well, it's not choiced in any way. ^^; Magnezone traps it, and can kill it off with Thunderbolt in a few hits. Heatran may be a good addition to my team, just to take this down.

Rotom-A - You know... I really haven't ran in to many defensive Rotoms. But, I'd think I'll be able to take it down with Abomasnow and Glaceon, and Rhyperior.

Skarmory - Skarmory's taken down by Glaceon, and Magnezone.

Snorlax - Snorlax I can take down with either Magnezone's Explosion, or Gyarados setting up, but yeah, it's a pain.

Suicune - I haven't encountered a whole lot of Suicune, but when I do I usually hit it with a STAB Wood Hammer, or Magnezone's Thunderbolt.

Swampert - Swampert is also setup fodder for Gyarados, and can also be taken down by Glaceon.

Tyranitar - Rhyperior is my main counter to Tyranitar.

Vaporeon - Vaporeon is tricky. Abomasnow can take it down rather easily with Wood Hammer, but Wish/Protect stall is really annoying.

Zapdos - Zapdos is handled via Glaceon.

Offensive Threats:

Azelf - Azelf isn't much of a threat to me. If it's a lead, I'll Blizzard on the first turn, if they Taunt me, great. If they SR, that's alright too. If they Fire Blast, I have a sash. Then Ice Shard on the second turn if they aren't killed off by the hail.

Breloom - Breloom is easily handled by Glaceon, because of Sleep Talk. It sucks when I get an HP Ground on Sleep Talk though. >_> Otherwise Gyarados can Taunt it after it subs up.

Gengar - I haven't encountered much of Gengar, but it's taken down by Magnezone and Glaceon easily.

Gyarados - Gyarados is scared away by Starmie and Magnezone.

Heatran - Eh. Gyarados can pretty much wall Scarf variants and DD on their switch, or Starmie can Surf it. I mean, I don't have a definite counter persay.. but I can easily work around it.

Infernape - Infernape is scared away by Starmie, and later if Starmie's down, Magnezone can outspeed and kill it off. Glaceon also has HP Ground.

Jolteon - Specs Jolteon is countered by Rhyperior, but I have nothing faster than it, so it's tough to counter. Abomasnow has Ice Shard, but that doesn't exactly OHKO. :P

Latias - Latias is handled by Glaceon.

Kingdra - The beauty of a hail team, is that I can counter Rain Dance so easily. Raind Dance Kingdra is countered pretty easily, and regular sets are countered by Glaceon.

Lucario - Lucario's countered by Gyarados, and Magnezone.

Machamp - Machamp is damaged early game by Gyarados and Magnezone and everything, then late game Glaceon comes in to clean up.

Magnezone - Glaceon kills this with HP Ground.

Mamoswine - Mamoswine is dealt with by Glaceon, and Magnezone, and Gyarados.

Metagross - Rhyperior can counter Metagross alright thanks to Solid Rock.

Salamence - One word. Blizzard.

Scizor - ...yeah. Magnezone.

Starmie - lol, again, Magnezone. .-. Glaceon can get some big damage with Signal Beam as well.

Tyranitar - Offensive Tyranitar's a bit trickier than defensive, in particular choice banders. Rhyperior can wall it pretty effectively though.

Zapdos - Zapdos, again, is covered by Glaceon.

Bribery · Oct 7, 2009

Unless there's something I'm missing, Swampert accomplishes the exact same thing as Rhyperior. It may not be as physically bulky, but it only has 1 weakness and a valuable Steel resistance. Furthermore, Swampert is one of the best Tyranitar switch-ins which is a nuisance to hail teams.

I would go with the standard mixpert:

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -Spe)
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roar / Hydro Pump
---
You could use Blizzard since this is a Hail team, offering a significant boost in power over Ice Beam.

I still think you have a bit of a Tyranitar issue, but I don't have enough experience with Hail teams to offer much help there. You could try including Scizor somewhere but I'm not sure what you could replace.

I also see a big Jolteon weakness, particularly Life Orb'd ones. It outspeeds everything on your team, even Gyarados after Dragon Dance.

Vapor Trails · Oct 7, 2009

BrodericKK said:
Glaceon@ Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Timid
6 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed

Blizzard~
Hidden Power [Ground]~
Signal Beam~
Sleep Talk~

HELL YES. SCARF GLACEON. YEAH. My favorite scarfer EVER, this is the centerpiece and glue of my team. Glaceon comes in late-game after Scizor, Jirachi, and the like have been eliminated, and just goes ballistic with Blizzard. 120 Base power, plus STAB, plus 100% accurate in hail. My god, this thing just gives me like a PokeGasm... is that wierd? .-. But anyway, this is an odd set for a scarfer, but it works pretty well. I don't go for simply super effective moves with this set, since Blizzard is more poweful regularly effective with STAB than a standard 2x effective move. HP Ground is to hit Infernape coming in, or already in, Signal Beam is for Tyranitar if for some reason it's still alive after Abomasnow is down, and Blizzard is at normal accuracy.

One last glance:

Sleep Talk?
That makes no sense...
I would have been thinking Ice beam would have gone here....
But kudos for using one of my favorite pokes, Glaceon.
Where did the pics/sprites come from?
I was looking for a good site for that and never found one.

koolio · Oct 7, 2009

ok, unless i am missing something here, you really arent using the hail to your advantage as much as you should be, this seems to be nothing more than an excuse to use glaceon lol

starmie isnt even using blizard for peet's sake!

i would not call this a hail team, more like a team with hail

SquirtleSquad · Oct 7, 2009

DD tar ohkos your team. yeah. switch rhyperior to swampert for sure, and as your team doesnt have a reliable status absorber i would change bounce gyra to a rest talk.

-Broderick- · Oct 7, 2009

Bribes said:
Unless there's something I'm missing, Swampert accomplishes the exact same thing as Rhyperior. It may not be as physically bulky, but it only has 1 weakness and a valuable Steel resistance. Furthermore, Swampert is one of the best Tyranitar switch-ins which is a nuisance to hail teams.

I would go with the standard mixpert:

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -Spe)
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roar / Hydro Pump
---
You could use Blizzard since this is a Hail team, offering a significant boost in power over Ice Beam.

I still think you have a bit of a Tyranitar issue, but I don't have enough experience with Hail teams to offer much help there. You could try including Scizor somewhere but I'm not sure what you could replace.

I also see a big Jolteon weakness, particularly Life Orb'd ones. It outspeeds everything on your team, even Gyarados after Dragon Dance.

Life Orb'd Jolteon with Charge Beam especially hurts. Rhyperior is... ground type. Like Swampert. .-. I must have had a brain lapse during team making, because I honestly didn't think of him. That's wierd. But yeah, I'll definetly switch that.

koolio said:
ok, unless i am missing something here, you really arent using the hail to your advantage as much as you should be, this seems to be nothing more than an excuse to use glaceon lol

starmie isnt even using blizard for peet's sake!

i would not call this a hail team, more like a team with hail

Exactly, its a team with hail. I'm not using Blizzard on half my pokemon, simply because I have such a problem with Tyranitar, it would make no sense, having it pop in all the time ruining my Hail. In my last Hail Team I made, I was much too dependent on Hail, therefore was unsuccessful much of the time.

@SquirtleSquad: Acually, Rhyperior can wall it for the most part and hit back with Earthquake, if it doesn't have Aqua Tail, which I find most don't. Most DDTars carry Earthquake in that spot. But I'm going to switch Pert in there. And ResTalk Gyara, yes, it would serve as a status absorber, but then I couldn't Taunt things, which is key for my team. I may make Gyarados Jolly max speed though, so I can outspeed Jolteon after a DD.

@Drift King: I really only put Sleep Talk there to use Glaceon as sleep fodder, and... filler for the most part. Blizzard's such a powerful move I couldn't think of what to put there. Can't have more than one Hidden Power type... unfortunately. Oh, and I got the sprites from www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory

infringement153 · Oct 8, 2009

BrodericKK said:
@Drift King: I really only put Sleep Talk there to use Glaceon as sleep fodder, and... filler for the most part. Blizzard's such a powerful move I couldn't think of what to put there. Can't have more than one Hidden Power type... unfortunately. Oh, and I got the sprites from www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory

When you're choiced and you sleep talk, only your first move registers. All subsequent uses fail, even if it picks the move you originally used. So, don't use choiced pokemon with sleep talk.

Edit: Sorry, when I say "first move", I mean the first move sleep talk randomly selects.

-Broderick- · Oct 8, 2009

infringement153 said:
When you're choiced and you sleep talk, only your first move registers. All subsequent uses fail, even if it picks the move you originally used. So, don't use choiced pokemon with sleep talk.

Really. So, when I use Sleep Talk, it only picks Blizzard, since it's my first attack? That's nice, but bad at the same time. I'll probably get rid of that for.. something. I'm not sure what.

MrIndigo · Oct 8, 2009

BrodericKK said:
Really. So, when I use Sleep Talk, it only picks Blizzard, since it's my first attack? That's nice, but bad at the same time. I'll probably get rid of that for.. something. I'm not sure what.

No, he means that when you use Sleep Talk, it randomly picks a move, but then it fails the next turn. It tries to use Sleep Talk, when your Sleep Talk from the turn before locked that random attack into the Choice item, and fails.

Kabuto Mushi · Oct 8, 2009

Eh, just wanted to point out something you don't have in you threat list (even though it's not seen that much anymore): Heracross. Scarfcross specifically out-speeds Starmie, Glaceon, and even Scarfzone for the OHKO. Maybe make Gyra a sleep-talker/impish version?

-Broderick- · Oct 8, 2009

Kabuto Mushi said:
Eh, just wanted to point out something you don't have in you threat list (even though it's not seen that much anymore): Heracross. Scarfcross specifically out-speeds Starmie, Glaceon, and even Scarfzone for the OHKO. Maybe make Gyra a sleep-talker/impish version?

hmm, you're right. Maybe it would be wise to
make gyara s leep talker. I'll try that out when iget home. I'm on my cell phone atm.

Vapor Trails · Oct 8, 2009

BrodericKK said:
Rotom-A - You know... I really haven't ran in to many defensive Rotoms. But, I'd think I'll be able to take it down with Abomasnow and Glaceon, and Rhyperior.

Abomasnow and Glaceon both die if the standard defensive set is being used, and is running Overheat.
The only thing that I can see that deals with it is Swampert.
If Swampert dies, this will give you a lot of trouble.
It also blocks Rapid Spin, so that compounds the problem if SR is on and Swampert is dead.

-Broderick- · Oct 8, 2009

txrdriftking said:
Abomasnow and Glaceon both die if the standard defensive set is being used, and is running Overheat.
The only thing that I can see that deals with it is Swampert.
If Swampert dies, this will give you a lot of trouble.
It also blocks Rapid Spin, so that compounds the problem if SR is on and Swampert is dead.

True, spin blockers are a pain. I haven't done the calcs, but I think that Blizzard from Glaceon 2HKO's Rotom, or at least gets it in KO range for another pokemon to come in. But with the addition of Swampert, I should be able to control that better. When I get some time tomorrow night to get some real testing done, like, 30 matches or so, I'll post again with some new results.

Shimrit As · Oct 9, 2009

Hi Broderick

Firstly kudos for using an offensive hail team instead of the regular stall-based ones : D

I would however like to suggest that you remove the naive nature on magnezone, reason being that it is your only steel type and your ideal switch-in against dragon, ghost and dark type attacks. If you cut your special defence with naive, you're putting yourself into trouble against the likes of gengar and latias, because even if you have answers to those threats, you can't switch much into freely or without taking a significant amount of damage.

An option would be to change the scarf set to the standard substitute steel killer set, but since you need insurance against jirachi and lucario I would recommend you to keep the scarf. If you have think you can handle blissey with gyarados, swampert and abomasno, then drop explosion altogether for a filler move like signal beam or toxic, and run a -atk nature. Oh yeah, a further option would to run a +spA nature instead of a +spe one, to give you a better chance at one-shotting lucario before it drops its defences with close combat. Up to you really.

Next, blizzard on swampert does not really make sense because you'll usually be switching it into tyranitar and hippowdon. IMO, Ice beam would be a superior move since blizzard's accuracy is seriously compromised in sandstorm. It also means that subRoost pressure zapdos can't outstall blizzard's PP as easily.

Finally, regarding your glaceon. I think that you should change your nature from timid to modest, because even with modest it hits 343 speed, allowing you to outspeed everything up to +spe mismagius (base 105). The only thing you miss out on is max speed infernape, which are diminishing and rarely run 252 speed anyway, while still allowing you to outspeed and KO salamence, heatran and lucario. With a modest nature, glaceon hits a whopping 394 spA, helping you in your late-game sweeping. I also agree that sleep talk on glaceon should be removed, possibly with shadow ball, which helps out with your rotom-a issues.

Cool team (figuratively of course), do consider some of my suggestions!

-Broderick- · Oct 9, 2009

tinky said:
Hi Broderick

Firstly kudos for using an offensive hail team instead of the regular stall-based ones : D
Thanks! :3
I would however like to suggest that you remove the naive nature on magnezone, reason being that it is your only steel type and your ideal switch-in against dragon, ghost and dark type attacks. If you cut your special defence with naive, you're putting yourself into trouble against the likes of gengar and latias, because even if you have answers to those threats, you can't switch much into freely or without taking a significant amount of damage.
I acually pondered Magnezone's nature for while, but after some careful thinking I decided on the standard naive nature, simply because I use it a lot to come in on physical rock attacks, as well as Bullet Punch from CB or SD Scizor. Compromising my defense, I couldn't be able to take those attacks as well. And now that I have Swampert, Dragon attacks aren't as much as a problem (bar Draco Meteor, as you mentioned) The thing about his nature though, is because his special defnese isn't huge to begin with, it doesn't drop very much. A -SpD nature only takes 10% off his special defense, which if it is 190, is still only 19.
An option would be to change the scarf set to the standard substitute steel killer set, but since you need insurance against jirachi and lucario I would recommend you to keep the scarf. If you have think you can handle blissey with gyarados, swampert and abomasno, then drop explosion altogether for a filler move like signal beam or toxic, and run a -atk nature. Oh yeah, a further option would to run a +spA nature instead of a +spe one, to give you a better chance at one-shotting lucario before it drops its defences with close combat. Up to you really.
I also thought about running the Steel killer set, but having scarfed Magnezone allows me to outrun things like bukly Gyarados after one DD, Gengar, Infernape, and even Adamant Dugtrio. And Explosion is very handy in my opinion, much more so than Signal Beam, because often I can get the surprise kill on Blissey late game. ...And Lucario's handled by Gyarados and Swampert anyway. :L
Next, blizzard on swampert does not really make sense because you'll usually be switching it into tyranitar and hippowdon. IMO, Ice beam would be a superior move since blizzard's accuracy is seriously compromised in sandstorm. It also means that subRoost pressure zapdos can't outstall blizzard's PP as easily.
Like I said, I haven't really done much testing with it, so I will change it if need be. And also... I won't be using Blizzard on Tyranitar, and Hippowdon can be dealt with later via Glaceon, or Gyarados, because it had Taunt. I've only seen 3 Hippowdon anyway.

Finally, regarding your glaceon. I think that you should change your nature from timid to modest, because even with modest it hits 343 speed, allowing you to outspeed everything up to +spe mismagius (base 105). The only thing you miss out on is max speed infernape, which are diminishing and rarely run 252 speed anyway, while still allowing you to outspeed and KO salamence, heatran and lucario. With a modest nature, glaceon hits a whopping 394 spA, helping you in your late-game sweeping. I also agree that sleep talk on glaceon should be removed, possibly with shadow ball, which helps out with your rotom-a issues.
See, the reason I had Sleep Talk on there (Keep in mind, I AM taking it off, pronto), is because I had no need for Shadow Ball. Blizzard, with STAB, has more total base power than a super effective Shadow Ball.
120 BP x .5 = 60 120 + 60 = 180 total BP.
80 BP x 2 = 160 total BP. Gengar is also OHKO'd... easily.
Also, I have Timid nature on there rather than Modest, is because Glaceon is my main scarfer, and I want it to be as fast as it can. With 378 Speed, I outspeed Alakazam, Dugtrio, Scarf Magnezone, Gengar, Starmie, Azelf, all threatening pokemon I would'nt be able to if I was Modest natured.
Cool team (figuratively of course), do consider some of my suggestions!

Comments are in bold red. :3

Vapor Trails · Oct 9, 2009

BrodericKK said:
But with the addition of Swampert, I should be able to control that better.

Not bad, but watch for Rotom-C.
It basically does the same thing, but Swampert is OHKO' d by Leaf Storm.
(the website for the sprites doesn't work. Did you spell it right?)

-Broderick- · Oct 9, 2009

txrdriftking said:
Not bad, but watch for Rotom-C.
It basically does the same thing, but Swampert is OHKO' d by Leaf Storm.
(the website for the sprites doesn't work. Did you spell it right?)

oh, you're right. Maybe I typed in the link wrong. I know the website is called arkeis.com . Just click the pokemon factory link on the site, that's where the images are.
EDIT: You know, I'm having some trouble with Calm Mind Suicune with Roar. Even though, I have two pokemon with Roar, Suicune is faster so it can Roar me out first if the opponent predicts correctly. What should I do? I'm thinking investing some speed EV's into Gyarados, but that will cost me some defense, which is the whole purpose of that set. I'm a little on the fence. :L
I may also switch Hidden Power [Ground] on Glaceon for Hidden Power [Grass]. HP Grass means I can hit Suicune for some super-effective damage when its at about 50% health or so and starts calm minding, thinking I can't do anything, and it'll also hit Swampert. I've now got other things for Heatran and Gyarados.

Shimrit As · Oct 10, 2009

Thanks for explaining that, it's fine to keep things as such if think it's okay. I still think that you'll face a lot of problems with tyranitar and hippowdon, especially since your abomasnow seems like a suicide lead of sorts. Whatever the case, it's not going to last long, and after it dies you'll have no way of bringing the hail back. Although you have answers to tyranitar and hippowdon, such as gyarados and swampert, you'll be switching abomasnow out of them and in again later to activate snow warning - a problem further compounded by stealth rock and lack of leftovers recovery. You might want to consider a bulkier varient, since your sweeper is so very dependent on abomasnow, but it's up to you in the end.

-Broderick- · Oct 10, 2009

tinky said:
Thanks for explaining that, it's fine to keep things as such if think it's okay. I still think that you'll face a lot of problems with tyranitar and hippowdon, especially since your abomasnow seems like a suicide lead of sorts. Whatever the case, it's not going to last long, and after it dies you'll have no way of bringing the hail back. Although you have answers to tyranitar and hippowdon, such as gyarados and swampert, you'll be switching abomasnow out of them and in again later to activate snow warning - a problem further compounded by stealth rock and lack of leftovers recovery. You might want to consider a bulkier varient, since your sweeper is so very dependent on abomasnow, but it's up to you in the end.

I acually just changed the Focus Sash to leftovers, since I've been saving Abomasnow, and using him later in the game to bring back hail.

Shimrit As · Oct 10, 2009

Haha okay. Wood hammer + focus sash didn't make sense anyway. I'm confused about the adamant nature though, since you have blizzard on abomasnow. I know you said it's for skarmory but you have already have magnezone, while glaceon and starmie can more than handle it. IMO, the 184 EVs for abomasnow doesn't really help it much either, especially since this abomasnow is meant to take hits and not sweep. This makes a brave nature an option.

Every1XplodeNOW · Oct 10, 2009

Nice team Brody :o

It's personally not the way I would make a hail team(I don't really like gyarados on hail teams D:) but it's well balanced and it can defiantly take hits.

About Abomasnow, that abomasnow isn't meant to lead, it's more of a early/mid game one. So if you want to keep it, I would suggest a different variant abomasnow or use it but put something else as a lead.

-Broderick- · Oct 10, 2009

Scuba Stevee said:
Nice team Brody :o

It's personally not the way I would make a hail team(I don't really like gyarados on hail teams D:) but it's well balanced and it can defiantly take hits.

About Abomasnow, that abomasnow isn't meant to lead, it's more of a early/mid game one. So if you want to keep it, I would suggest a different variant abomasnow or use it but put something else as a lead.

Oh, I just noticed that. I need to change that pronto... but to what? Lonely? :L
I probably should EV it more defensively oriented, but I like having max attack.

Every1XplodeNOW · Oct 11, 2009

BrodericKK said:
Oh, I just noticed that. I need to change that pronto... but to what? Lonely? :L
I probably should EV it more defensively oriented, but I like having max attack.

I was thinking on the same lines of tinky with a Brave nature. And sense you already have starmie and glaceon to take care of skarmory, 72 evs in sp. atk and blizzard is really not needed. I actually used this set for a hail team of mine:
Abomasnow@focus sash
Brave nature
252 hp/ 252 atk/ 4 def
Seed Bomb
Ice shard
Ice Punch
EQ

But sense you want this to last longer, switch FS for lefties and Seed Bomb for wood hammer. Also(depending on the suicune variant) this can help with your suicune problem.

I3east · Oct 11, 2009

I've never used a Hail team, so I'm pretty hesitant to even rate this team without prior knowledge of it, but seeing as though you have 2 pokes on your team specifically to counter Scizor, I'm thinking one should be switched out for Wallrein, which is invaluable to most stall/bulky hail teams.

Again, I don't have too much prior knowledge of Hail teams, and I see that this team is not focused on stall, so it's just a suggestion to think about, the thread that explains Wallrein's merits is here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28213