So it's okay to consider revenge killing Lati@s with a select few pokémon after firing off Draco Meteor but we can't assume the same of Garchomp locking itself into Outrage?
I mentioned draco meteor just to show that Latios can 2hko Scizor with specs equipped, while Latias can't. And I've mentioned countless times that outrage is not necessary on SD Chomp.
Stats are irrelevant when damage calcs clearly show that Garchomp can 1-2hko evey Pokemon in the game after a SD with a set of SD\dragon claw\EQ\fire fang.Unfortunately, it's impossible to decipher statistically whether or not SDChomp regularly uses DClaw or Outrage -- we can't differentiate from past usage stats which attack specifically SDChomp uses more often -- but we do know skipping out on Outrage loses a lot of power.
Please, don't make me laugh. If it's low on health you can finish off even a Rayquaza with a Smeargle's extremespeed. And yeah, try countering Chomp with a 60% accurate hypnosis...Calculations can't take into account circumstance but if you want 'em... +2 DClaw can't OHKO standard defensive Rotom-A, you might get burnt (shitty accuracy), allow it to Reflect or finish Garchomp off if it's very low health.
The "switching in" argument applies to every Pokemon in the game, hence it's irrelevant. What if Chomp comes in after a kill? Actually there are just a few situations in which outrage is preferable to dragon claw. And please, don't use the word theorymon with me, as I'm actively taking part in the suspect process since almost an year.Or maybe you switch Garchomp (still healthy) into Rotom's Shadow Ball. Knowing you can't 2HKO with SD/DClaw or 2xDClaw, I just keep Shadow Balling and trade/win. (It's just short of a 3HKO with no SpA EVs, one special drop or minor SpA investment + SR...) If Garchomp does have Outrage, then it does kill Rotom but is locked in for an easy revenge kill. +1 DClaw can hardly OHKO standard bulky attacking Gyarados. (~20% with SR) As stated before, Swampert can survive a +2 Earthquake with max HP and even minimal EVs in Defense. With SR, Gliscor is OHKOed half the time with +2 Outrage and easily killed with any other residual damage, DClaw doesn't come close. There's a number of calculations where Outrage's very large power advantage over Dragon Claw has obvious advantages, let alone once you leave theorymon for actual battling.
Yeah, what a great argument. What if Rayquaza switches in on a predicted brick break from Scizor, and instead it u-turns out? Rayquaza loses like 25% of its health too... So yeah, let's test Rayquaza, after all, it loses health as well when switching in!!!And does it matter that none of these pokémon can flat-out OHKO back, sans the rare Avalanche Swampert or Counter Swampert/Gliscor? Not really. Garchomp gets worn down like any other pokémon. Switch it into Jirachi? Oops, it U-Turned and you just lost 25% as they switch straight to a counter. (Or you lose 40% to Iron Head but force your switch.) Heatran? Garchomp lost 40% to SR + a very strong resisted Fire Blast. Heaven forbid anyone lay Spikes and Garchomp gets a taste of what Salamence goes through more regularly. Healthy Suicune Roars it in? So on and so forth.
No, yache allows to beat both Starmie and Mamo (even CB Mamo fails at ohkoing it). And the fact that you need to resort to sacrificing Starmie\Mamo, then bring in your revenge killer of choice should tell you something on Garchomp's power. And anyway, as stated multiple times, even with 40% or so of its health (read: after yache berry activates) Garchomp can always switch out and come back later. And I don't accept the outrage-locked argument as I've already stated (and honestly I'm getting quite sick of repeating myself) that outrage is not needed on SD Chomp.Suddenly, Garchomp's Yache Berry isn't always protecting it from Starmie's Ice Beam or Mamoswine's Ice Shard. Maybe Garchomp got in healthy after all and got to use it to "beat" said Starmie. Great! But now it's low enough for a multitude of pokémon to revenge; even though Starmie "lost" to Yache Berry, it opened the door for more than just Latias or CB Scizor to finish the job. If Garchomp locks itself into Outrage to get that kill, not so much against Starmie but perhaps other pokémon, then it becomes even easier as it can't even switch away from the revenge kill.