Phantom Champion Z events

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It's Seed Flare time.
I just found this on Serebii. If you pre-order tickets for Phantom Champion Z movie, you can get a shiny Suicune, Raikou or Entei. In addition to this, these Pokemon know special moves. Raikou knows Zap Cannon (fairly useless), Suicune knows Sheer Cold (banned), BUT Entei gets Flare Blitz! Entei may finally be usable, as it has a good attack stat (115) and a good speed (100) AND good HP (115). However prior to this, Entei had few ways to utilise its attack stat. Flare Blitz may ACTUALLY boost Entei to usable levels (now if only they would give it to Flareon as well...) Discuss how this may affect the metagame.
 
Well now entei can actually do damage! This makes another ok fire type in ou, an excellect alternative to arcanine in uu and in nu its another fire type to run rampant -_-
 
Damn, I was just about to post this. Zap Cannon won't matter, Sheer Cold is banned, but Flare Blitz will be really awesome. It may be enough to propel Entei out of NU, as it's faster and stronger than Arcanine (as well as its access to Stone Edge). Arcanine does get better abilities, ExtremeSpeed, and Morning Sun, though. I can't see this getting much use in OU after the hype wears down, because of Infernape and its SR weakness, but people looking for a less frail physical Fire-type might consider this. Either way, it's pretty cool, seeing as Entei's really craved this. Now for Flareon~

I imagine the UUers will be hyping this up!
 
Well, that's sort of funny. In the 5th gen discussion thread people really wanted to see Flareon and Entei with Flare Blitz. Is GameFreak listening to us? I doubt it but it'd still be cool.

And as for game aesthetics, shiny Suicune is great.
 
Finally, after like, 4 years, Entei gets Flare Blitz. I don't think this will make him OU, but he may have a shot at being one of the top choices in UU.
 
Just to add something more, what do you think a good set for Entei would be? Maybe:

Flare Blitz/Overheat/Return/Stone Edge@Life Orb?
 
Countering quag and reilcanth would be perferable, So I was thinking something like this:

Entei@Choice Band or LO
EVs: not yet decided
Nature: Adamant
-Hidden Power Grass
-Flare Blitz
-Return
-Stone Edge

With Hidden Power Grass, Slowbro or Quag is less of a worry. Milotic and other fairly bulky waters can get over this through but Return has some way to deal with that.
 
Toaster said:
Countering quag and reilcanth would be perferable, So I was thinking something like this:

Entei@Choice Band or LO
EVs: not yet decided
Nature: Adamant
-Hidden Power Grass
-Flare Blitz
-Return
-Stone Edge

With Hidden Power Grass, Slowbro or Quag is less of a worry. Milotic and other fairly bulky waters can get over this through but Return has some way to deal with that.
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Except, change the nature to Lonely or Naughty, so that you don't reduce Entei's Sp. Attack stat. This is a really common mistake, a lot more than you would think. And there is quite a difference between a hindering nature and a neutral one.
 
But there really isn't much difference here except for the last calculation.

Adamant Entei's Hidden Power Grass Vs Quag: 59.9% - 71.1%
Naughty Entei's Hidden Power Grass Vs Quag :67% - 79.2%

both will 2HKO, no difference here.

Adamant Entei's HIdden Power Grass Vs Reilcanth:69% - 81.9%
Lonely Entei's Hidden Power Grass Vs Reilcanth:77.2% - 91.2%

I see your point here through ( Although Reilcanth doesn't appear in UU as much...) The latter can KO with Stealth Rock while the former will need spikes damage.

But well the only reason why you are running Hidden Power Grass is to beat those two. So I would much rather prefer using a Naughty Nature on a more mixed minded set.
 
I feel like I should remind people not to get too excited over this. The Shiny Pokemon will have pre-determined natures (due to the programming that keeps them Shiny), so we might end up with Timid Entei.
 
Purimpopoie said:
I feel like I should remind people not to get too excited over this. The Shiny Pokemon will have pre-determined natures (due to the programming that keeps them Shiny), so we might end up with Timid Entei.
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That could be possible, but I do not think it is likely. Judging other predetermined natures of other give-away pokemon, the shiny-pichu knows volt-tackle and is Jolly, that shiny milotic given out a while back was modest (if i recall correctly), and the lv. 50 dragonite was mild. Even in PBR the electivire and magmortar you could get were adamant and modest respectively. However, that PBR surf pikachu had a neutral nature.

This patterns makes me think that Entei would not be getting a nature that hinders Att., especially since the new move he is getting is physical. Worst case scenario it will be a neutral nature (which would really suck) but I'm betting on adamant.
 
felix said:
That could be possible, but I do not think it is likely. Judging other predetermined natures of other give-away pokemon, the shiny-pichu knows volt-tackle and is Jolly, that shiny milotic given out a while back was modest (if i recall correctly), and the lv. 50 dragonite was mild. Even in PBR the electivire and magmortar you could get were adamant and modest respectively. However, that PBR surf pikachu had a neutral nature.

This patterns makes me think that Entei would not be getting a nature that hinders Att., especially since the new move he is getting is physical. Worst case scenario it will be a neutral nature (which would really suck) but I'm betting on adamant.
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Judging by the attacks they are being given I would guess that Entei is Adamant, Raikou is Modest, and Suicune is Timid (or another +Speed nature). That or they're all neutral haha.

Anyway, I hope someone here who knows how to handle the HGSS RNG well can get their hands on a Flare Blitz Entei, and hopefully these three learn the moves via level-up in 5th gen.
 
Logan said:
Says Heatran also gets eruption. Might be a bit useful the extra power on the scarf set.
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thats old new that came in the lastest pokemon ranger( i think)

But be nice to have another good physical fire type in UU cant wait to try a Cb entei/LO
 
Logan said:
Says Heatran also gets eruption. Might be a bit useful the extra power on the scarf set.
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There's the Trackers of Light thread, that has already discussed Heatran's Eruption. It is notably that it is only available to Heatran with a Quiet nature, making Specs and Trick Room usage of it more viable. Although Scarf outspeeds the 110 base speed group, you're really forcing too much to attempt it, in my opinion.

Flare Blitz for Entei is great, and will push it into the 'medicore' 25-30 usage range in UU. I really doubt it will be used much after the hype settles down, because of the competition it faces from Arcanine, Moltres, Blaziken, Houndoom, all who have useful secondary typing, or better move pools.

It can't recovery its health from Flare Blitz/Life Orb, like Moltres, and Arcanine can.. and with a lot of you suggesting mixed sets, it loses its bulk. Not being able to raise his attack is a downer as well.
 
felix said:
That could be possible, but I do not think it is likely. Judging other predetermined natures of other give-away pokemon, the shiny-pichu knows volt-tackle and is Jolly, that shiny milotic given out a while back was modest (if i recall correctly), and the lv. 50 dragonite was mild. Even in PBR the electivire and magmortar you could get were adamant and modest respectively. However, that PBR surf pikachu had a neutral nature.

This patterns makes me think that Entei would not be getting a nature that hinders Att., especially since the new move he is getting is physical. Worst case scenario it will be a neutral nature (which would really suck) but I'm betting on adamant.
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Milotic was actually Timid, but you do have a good point about the track records for these sorts of things... I guess I just didn't want everyone thinking about variable natures since in this case, it seems unlikely.
 
It's impossible to have a variable nature on a shiny event, as when generating a variable-nature event, the game ensures it's not shiny.
 
Yehom said:
Yeah, problem is that it will have a Quiet nature, but it could be worse
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At the same time he is going to need all the speed he can get because Eruption lessens in power as he takes damage. Being slow and using Eruption is only useful when a switch is predicted. In that instance, Stealth Rock doing 12.5% doesn't help it either. Using Leftovers to get his HP back close to full then using Eruption on the switch is another mildly acceptable situation because Quiet at least boosts special attack and even if resisted Eruption should do heavy damage. The Choice Specs set, having his HP lowered by Stealth Rock, might as well use Overheat.

So I think a Choice Scarf is not such a bad option, especially as a lead.

____ And for Entei that is good news. A legendary being Never Used is so silly. Depending on the nature he may get a solid spot in UU, possibly even find good use in OU.

And if/when Sheer Cold is not banned it would be useful for taking out Blissey/Milotic who can often stall out Suicune forever.

And Zap Cannon is useful on a Gravity team. Several Pokemon are getting Gravity in HG/SS.
 
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