I know Suicune is method k and the Lati@s are method 1 but I want to know what frame they start on. For example in Platinum most of the legends start on frame 1 apart from Giratina in the distortion world.
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The shiny Gyarados is actually a 'chained shiny PID' (like pokeradar chaining) so your half correct, its not method K, but its not split either
Lati@s starting frame is the frame when you initiate the event with Steven in Vermillion. Suicune is a stationary legendary so I assume it would have a starting frame of 1.
Can someone tell me how to advance the RNG in HG/SS? I've heard walking into Poke'mon advances it by 2, as well as calling someone, and adjusting the radio. Can someone clear this up for me? I want to RNG Lugia before the League.
I'm glad that I gave up, then. Chained pokeradar is too much for me anyway.
I'll probably let it be, since I've abused a caught Magikarp on Blackburn City later on.
Ok thank you :)
I'm pretty sure that talking to your Pokemon advances your frame by 13 ( I watched a video by KazoWAR and it advanced by 13 everytime), the bottom right hand radio button advances it by 1 i think, every 128 wll advance your rng by the number of Pokemon in your party ( I watched a video by KazoWAR and it advanced by 1 because he only had 1 Pokemon with him) but from what I have read the raido will not work in Lugia's cave :(.
EDIT: Can someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Ok thank you for correcting me :). Is the radio is the best way to advance the RNG then?
Can anyone explain rnging in HG/SS to me everything step by step please VM or PM me
At the moment catching a pokemon is the only way we have to do that on a cart
wow guess i have to borrow an Ar for some rare candies well thanks.
I don't think anyone has tested it but I seriously doubt it
EDIT: I was wrong. aromaflora tested it and yes it respawns.
I don't think you can because the pokewalker never really turns off so being anywhere near a useable seed/frame will be damn near impossible.blamon123 said:
Also coin flips just mean you've landed on the correct seed, if your IVs are wrong is cos your on the wrong frame
thanks so how can i verify my frame after i get the egg without hatching
you'd have to have a way to check your eggs IVs no way around it, so that would involve the use of an external device like an AR
oh ok thanks
Ok, so i am sure this has been asked about a thousand times now... but I am wondering how to RNG for Entei and Raikou in HGSS.
So... just confirming that this is right...
From what I have gathered, this is how to do it:
1.Save on the basement of burnt tower before releasing the dogs.
2.Soft reset for the spread you want, for ONE of the dogs, since trying for 2 is apparently not feasible due to good spreads 5 frames apart not existing.
3. At this point, I guess you advance the frame if you need to... using the radio?
4. Trigger the event, causing the dogs to flee.
5. After catching the first RNG'd dog, faint the second one, beat the E4, and RNG for the second dog while in the E4.
So, assuming this is correct, a few questions at this point...
How do you check for the correct frame and seed, delay, etc. without the coin flip app? Do you have to catch the dog you RNG'd for to figure out if you hit everything right? Is there a way to check it by catching wild pokemon? it would suck to have to go on the wild goose chase that is catching a legendary dog right after RNGing, only to discover you hit everything wrong.
Also, this doesn't mess up Suicune since it is a different method, correct?
I have looked at the research thread for HGSS and I was wondering how you advance the frame... I have read about inconsistencies for different methods, so I am not sure how to do this. Is looking at your pokemon more reliable, or is tuning the radio better? How about the 128 step frame advancement?
And, as a side note... you still need to know your Secret ID to find shiny spreads, correct? If so, how would you find your SID in HGSS? Is there a way to chain for shinies in this game?
Sorry if all of these questions have already been answered, I have looked through this thread but have seen so many different things...
thank you for your help,
opiaboy
So... just confirming that this is right...
From what I have gathered, this is how to do it:
1.Save on the basement of burnt tower before releasing the dogs.
2.Soft reset for the spread you want, for ONE of the dogs, since trying for 2 is apparently not feasible due to good spreads 5 frames apart not existing.
3. At this point, I guess you advance the frame if you need to... using the radio?
4. Trigger the event, causing the dogs to flee.
5. After catching the first RNG'd dog, faint the second one, beat the E4, and RNG for the second dog while in the E4.
So, assuming this is correct, a few questions at this point...
How do you check for the correct frame and seed, delay, etc. without the coin flip app? Do you have to catch the dog you RNG'd for to figure out if you hit everything right? Is there a way to check it by catching wild pokemon? it would suck to have to go on the wild goose chase that is catching a legendary dog right after RNGing, only to discover you hit everything wrong.
Also, this doesn't mess up Suicune since it is a different method, correct?
I have looked at the research thread for HGSS and I was wondering how you advance the frame... I have read about inconsistencies for different methods, so I am not sure how to do this. Is looking at your pokemon more reliable, or is tuning the radio better? How about the 128 step frame advancement?
And, as a side note... you still need to know your Secret ID to find shiny spreads, correct? If so, how would you find your SID in HGSS? Is there a way to chain for shinies in this game?
Sorry if all of these questions have already been answered, I have looked through this thread but have seen so many different things...
thank you for your help,
opiaboy
If you are not aiming for a shiny, then you WILL have to catch the dog, and check it's nature and IV to know if you got the frame right.
There is no other way, since you can't check other pokes frame to know if the dog's frame is correct.
Actually, there COULD be a way, but it's not tested. If anyone would like to test it, it could work, but you would have to catch another poke anyway. If the first of the dogs is frame 1, and the other is frame 6, 5 frames were needed from one poke to the other. Then, if you sweet scent just after releasing the dogs, without taking any step, and you end catching a poke 13 frames above your target frame (if you were abusing the first of them) or 8 frames above your target frame (if you were abusing the second one), you might be right.
The problems about this would be if, the moment the pokes are released, they advance the frame by 1 each (since there might be a RNG call to define where will they go to. Then, instead of 8 and 13 the numbers might be 10 and 15.
If anyone if access to savestates or the emulator want to test this out, it could help a little. I don't have a save before releasing the dogs, so I can't test it out.
Also, your list is correct, and I did use the radio to advance my frames when I've abused the Entei. You could use your pokemon, if you want to take risks, but without savestates, the risks would not be worth it.
There is no other way, since you can't check other pokes frame to know if the dog's frame is correct.
Actually, there COULD be a way, but it's not tested. If anyone would like to test it, it could work, but you would have to catch another poke anyway. If the first of the dogs is frame 1, and the other is frame 6, 5 frames were needed from one poke to the other. Then, if you sweet scent just after releasing the dogs, without taking any step, and you end catching a poke 13 frames above your target frame (if you were abusing the first of them) or 8 frames above your target frame (if you were abusing the second one), you might be right.
The problems about this would be if, the moment the pokes are released, they advance the frame by 1 each (since there might be a RNG call to define where will they go to. Then, instead of 8 and 13 the numbers might be 10 and 15.
If anyone if access to savestates or the emulator want to test this out, it could help a little. I don't have a save before releasing the dogs, so I can't test it out.
Also, your list is correct, and I did use the radio to advance my frames when I've abused the Entei. You could use your pokemon, if you want to take risks, but without savestates, the risks would not be worth it.
Wait a sec, let me get this straight...
If you are abusing for Entei, and its frame is 1, then this means that when you soft reset, and get your seed, Entei's spread will be on frame 1 of this seed while Raikou will have the spread listed on frame 6 of the seed? This is prob common sense, but just making sure.
Also, how would Sweet Scent change the frame like that? I thought Sweet Scent only advanced the RNG by a single frame?
I am confused by what you are saying about the sweet scent advancement.
PokéRNG D/P version 1.1 is released; check the second post :)
I re-added CSV output (in a slightly different format), but more importantly, I wrote some algorithms for calculating Method J and K frames for any spread. So now you don't have to keep checking RNG Reporter to find out if a spread is obtainable with your chosen method or not (you still need it for the Seed to Time function, though) :P
I re-added CSV output (in a slightly different format), but more importantly, I wrote some algorithms for calculating Method J and K frames for any spread. So now you don't have to keep checking RNG Reporter to find out if a spread is obtainable with your chosen method or not (you still need it for the Seed to Time function, though) :P
thats amazing, can't wait to start using it, well done
Raikou is 1, Entei is 6.
Sweet Scent advances the frame by 2 in grass and caves, and by 3 while surfing. Also, read the post above mine to see the correct frames for the two dogs.