That's right! Spam EQ! I'll just send in my SD Scyther.
(Rhyperior isn't broken. EQ and SE both can be played around, and that isn't even factoring Aqua Tail, Megahorn, or Stone Edge's miss chance.)
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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head
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That's right! Spam EQ! I'll just send in my SD Scyther.
(Rhyperior isn't broken. EQ and SE both can be played around, and that isn't even factoring Aqua Tail, Megahorn, or Stone Edge's miss chance.)
People that aren't retarded use stone edge first, due to no immunities. Also, your signature percentages add up to 121%...i dont get it O.o
Rhyperior is developing similarly to Latias in my opinion. A fine pokemon at first met with a few cries of disbelief but ultimately ignored. Both pokemon fit into their respective metagames until...
People started using Choice specs Latias with Draco Meteor. It literally rips through teams. It doesn't sweep but it cripples a good amount of your opponents team members giving you the perfect chance to sweep.
People are now starting to use Choice Band to take apart teams. Sure it's got a huge amount of revenge killers, but you effectively crippled your opponent with STAB Stone Edge/Earthquake. I'd like to know one pokemon that effectively switches and forces it out without taking a huge amount of damage.
Raikou finds sweeping easier with a lot of it's checks crippled.
Also don't forgot that Sub+ 3 attacks is incredibly dangerous. Guaranteeing at least one death.
Megahorn is really annoying in that it really cuts down on a huge amount of counters. (Claydol and Leafeon would be perfect without it)
True, and in that situation it could be gg. (SD Scyther is lethal) but what if it's another variety of Rhyperior? Scyther is a terrible switch in due to it's strongest option being brick break. (something Rhyperior shrugs it off with Solid Rock and soundly OHKO's with Stone Edge.
Also I'm not really a fan of playing around. It's horribly vague and sometimes isn't accurate. I believe Choice band Staraptor could also be *played around*
People started using Choice specs Latias with Draco Meteor. It literally rips through teams. It doesn't sweep but it cripples a good amount of your opponents team members giving you the perfect chance to sweep.
People are now starting to use Choice Band to take apart teams. Sure it's got a huge amount of revenge killers, but you effectively crippled your opponent with STAB Stone Edge/Earthquake. I'd like to know one pokemon that effectively switches and forces it out without taking a huge amount of damage.
Raikou finds sweeping easier with a lot of it's checks crippled.
Also don't forgot that Sub+ 3 attacks is incredibly dangerous. Guaranteeing at least one death.
Megahorn is really annoying in that it really cuts down on a huge amount of counters. (Claydol and Leafeon would be perfect without it)
True, and in that situation it could be gg. (SD Scyther is lethal) but what if it's another variety of Rhyperior? Scyther is a terrible switch in due to it's strongest option being brick break. (something Rhyperior shrugs it off with Solid Rock and soundly OHKO's with Stone Edge.
Also I'm not really a fan of playing around. It's horribly vague and sometimes isn't accurate. I believe Choice band Staraptor could also be *played around*
Hmm... it seems i wrote answer 2 times... lol who cares.
But Milotic is still able to counter Rhyperior and KO with Surf... unless you have Spikes on the field.
The specializing thing is good ... well, Aggron. Since it has more chances to KO Milotic...
Let's not go back to the discussion please... i was just stating it.
If bulky grasses avoids Megahorn, they can also be counters for Rhyperior (and Tangrowth survives one Megahorn and outspeeds Rhyperior, so can be a relatively safe counter... with Synthesis of course, and no Spikes involved.)
But Milotic is still able to counter Rhyperior and KO with Surf... unless you have Spikes on the field.
The specializing thing is good ... well, Aggron. Since it has more chances to KO Milotic...
Let's not go back to the discussion please... i was just stating it.
If bulky grasses avoids Megahorn, they can also be counters for Rhyperior (and Tangrowth survives one Megahorn and outspeeds Rhyperior, so can be a relatively safe counter... with Synthesis of course, and no Spikes involved.)
A counter is something that can reliably switch in a force it out. True, Milotic can switch and force out Rhyperior. Once. Rhyperior can gladly switch out into an appropriate of Milotic counter. Don't forget that Milotic CAN'T even switch in with entry hazards.
And that's only ONE pokemon. More counters are appreciatative.
I think a fantastic counter is Quagsire... But that's all that comes to mind.
Hmmm...
Doesn't that sound a little silly to you? While I don't see CB Perior as broken for other reasons (it's very vulnerable to Rain and stall has some "decent switch-ins", while also requiring more than two moves to actually destroy the metagame, similar to Blaziken), your reasoning does not make sense at all.
Rhyperior being slow as mud prevents me from thinking of him on the same level as the other offensively inclined suspects right now - the power is pretty awesome, but it's pretty easy to shut down because of how his stats are distributed with the shitty Speed and Special Defense. He's definitely good, but I would (but the UU viability bs thread wouldn't!) put him on the same level as like Venusaur, Raikou, Milotic, Registeel, and Arcanine where they are the tier of Pokemon who define the tier, but aren't in much risk of being removed from it (that is, a tier below Froslass and Moltres in that regard).
I think there's a very different type of "playing around" something like Rhyperior who is never going to outrun anything unless it has a speedboost and playing around something like Raikou (who doesn't have nearly as much power) or Yanmega or Moltres (who have similar power and more speed) or whatever, it's a little simpler when you don't need to have one of only a few viable pokemon to outrun it. I think that Latias comparison is awfully ridiculous, too, since Latias is both quicker relative to her game and easier to switch in. Dragon is a much better attacking type than Rock (and especially Ground), as well.
I should really muck with Subperior some more before I talk too much about the set but I hate reducing Rhyperior HP intentionally, since one thing I do like about him vs. the other offensive Pokemon is that he can actually be at least somewhat of an asset defensively with the nice HP/Def. The kills are much less guaranteed with a band, but it sure is easier to get in more than twice that way. It has the nice advantage of being at least slightly less worthless against rain teams with sub, though, which is one reason I'm hesitant to use Rhyperior much these days - hard for it to have any impact at all against those teams.
Speaking of the other similarly powered Pokemon above, it always amuses me that Registeel never gets any attention in threads like this one, since he is so many teams generic counter to almost everything.
I think there's a very different type of "playing around" something like Rhyperior who is never going to outrun anything unless it has a speedboost and playing around something like Raikou (who doesn't have nearly as much power) or Yanmega or Moltres (who have similar power and more speed) or whatever, it's a little simpler when you don't need to have one of only a few viable pokemon to outrun it. I think that Latias comparison is awfully ridiculous, too, since Latias is both quicker relative to her game and easier to switch in. Dragon is a much better attacking type than Rock (and especially Ground), as well.
I should really muck with Subperior some more before I talk too much about the set but I hate reducing Rhyperior HP intentionally, since one thing I do like about him vs. the other offensive Pokemon is that he can actually be at least somewhat of an asset defensively with the nice HP/Def. The kills are much less guaranteed with a band, but it sure is easier to get in more than twice that way. It has the nice advantage of being at least slightly less worthless against rain teams with sub, though, which is one reason I'm hesitant to use Rhyperior much these days - hard for it to have any impact at all against those teams.
Speaking of the other similarly powered Pokemon above, it always amuses me that Registeel never gets any attention in threads like this one, since he is so many teams generic counter to almost everything.
To be fair Honckrow wasn't THAT fast and was very frail on BOTH sides.
Hey man that's the work of ALL of the UU community. But of course, now I'm opting for him being S rank for sure.
It's way better than I originally thought it would be. Screw running EQ. Seismic toss+Iron Head is far better at wrecking havoc.
@ Synre: just a quick answer: Dragon is a best attacking move ONLY IF IT HAS STAB.
Without STAB, no poke outside of... Ubers uses dragon attacks.
While both Rock and Ground are widely used becuase they are powerful and gets lots of coverage despite being STABed or not, thus being better than Dragon overall.
In UU... how many dragons we have? Altaria ( i suppose Dragoniar has it's uses as well), and that's it.
Ok, some Sceptile/Arcanine uses Dragon Pulse... but that's because they lack options, and lack very bad.
@ Lonewolf: checking the Smogon calculator, CB Rhyperior uses 116 HP/ 252 Atk/ 136 spd Adamant spread.
Without STAB, no poke outside of... Ubers uses dragon attacks.
While both Rock and Ground are widely used becuase they are powerful and gets lots of coverage despite being STABed or not, thus being better than Dragon overall.
In UU... how many dragons we have? Altaria ( i suppose Dragoniar has it's uses as well), and that's it.
Ok, some Sceptile/Arcanine uses Dragon Pulse... but that's because they lack options, and lack very bad.
@ Lonewolf: checking the Smogon calculator, CB Rhyperior uses 116 HP/ 252 Atk/ 136 spd Adamant spread.
I experimented with 4/252/252 CBRhyperior and it's kind of funny how many times people just give their opponents to it because it outspeeds them. I'll probably end up investing in HP later on.
Also, you're welcome, SJCrew.
Also, you're welcome, SJCrew.
Dude, I've been using Rhyperior forever. The only reason he went under the radar for so long was because of the other UU suspects hogging the spotlight. Now that the battlefield is clear for the most part, he can easily find his way onto anyone's team and more people will star to realize his destructive potential.
How often do Froslass run Shadow Ball and/or Ice Beam? Sometimes I find myself overly tentative on switching ghosts into Froslass, costing me Spike Damage.
Except Honchkrow had an obscenely powerful priority move to beat the faster frail pokemon and obviously Rhyperior has nothing of the sort.
And Brave Bird is still stronger than anything Rhyperior has (outside of Rock Wrecker... yeah). Coupled with priority and a strong move that has perfect coverage with both attacks...
And the possibility of going special (even if no one did because it was't as good) only adds points for Honch.
And the possibility of going special (even if no one did because it was't as good) only adds points for Honch.
Rhyperior being under the radar also isn't the same as Rain being "under the radar" because, well, Rain hasn't been under the radar. People talk about it every test, and people have commented that the BLs being in the metagame made Rain stronger.
Speaking of which:
Dugtrio is an amazing Rain supporter, capable of beating that one guy that keeps getting in your way otherwise. I haven't liked him much outside of rain, though.
Speaking of which:
MSB said:
Dugtrio is an amazing Rain supporter, capable of beating that one guy that keeps getting in your way otherwise. I haven't liked him much outside of rain, though.
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