np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head

[GMLW]

It might not be difficult for you. The team is only part of it, it's also the in-game prediction and choices.

Anyway, I don't think I'm gonna get voting rights this time. I think I just got lucky last round.

And don't worry SoS, I'm an awful teambuilder also.

Btw Heysup, your Free Bird team has an incredible Rock and Electric weakness.

 

[HR.]

I've actually found balanced teams to be the most consistent in this metagame.

 

[Golden Sun]

Balance teams seem to be the way to go in this metagame

 

[Midnight.]

Spike stacking balance teams seem to be the way to go in this metagame

Fixed.

The appeal of balance is that it can fit in its entry hazards, various defenders and have the likes of Raikou offer a powerful offense at the tail, with hazard support in play.

Hyper offense is best played in the wet.

 

[Erazor]

Well, I've been trying out a Calm Mind + 3 attacks LO Raikou... and it's great! It's actually better than the Sub set imo, but then mine is an offensive team.
However, I rarely even use Calm Mind, so I'm thinking if I should go for 4 attacks instead...
I'm running Thunderbolt/HP grass/Extrasensory/CM.

Oh, and CB Rhyperior is a beast. A beast, I say.

 

[capefeather]

CB Rhyperior. Basically, you click "Stone Edge", and the opponent loses most of its HP. Of course, it will be hard to do that more than once if Registeel or Steelix is around. Also, my CB Rhyperior missed every single Stone Edge and Megahorn yesterday. Every. Single. One. Fun fun fun. I should have just quit laddering early, too, because it took me way too long to get out of tilt...

 

[Heysup]

It might not be difficult for you. The team is only part of it, it's also the in-game prediction and choices.

Anyway, I don't think I'm gonna get voting rights this time. I think I just got lucky last round.

And don't worry SoS, I'm an awful teambuilder also.

Btw Heysup, your Free Bird team has an incredible Rock and Electric weakness.

that's what Donphan and Venusaur are for...but it's offensive. You should be able to just follow a simple formula every battle (at least against other ladderers on "Auto-pilot"). For example, Sleep Powder --> Swellow --> U-turn to whatever makes sense --> send in Moltres whenever Possible. With Offense against "good" players you need to sacrifice Pokemon in a smart fashion, but again the average ladderer you should be fine with "Set up Spikes, send in Moltres, revenge/sweep with Swellow".

If I can do this with people expecting it (my name is Heysup unfortunately, and that almost always means "Froslsass, Moltres, Venusaur, Donphan etc". If it works even when it's predictable, it works when it isn't.

Fixed.

The appeal of balance is that it can fit in its entry hazards, various defenders and have the likes of Raikou offer a powerful offense at the tail, with hazard support in play.

I made one for fun....and my balance team IS really fun and good, but I still think that you are better off against any team (without Kabutops + Rain) with offense...or stall.

Well, I've been trying out a Calm Mind + 3 attacks LO Raikou... and it's great! It's actually better than the Sub set imo, but then mine is an offensive team.
However, I rarely even use Calm Mind, so I'm thinking if I should go for 4 attacks instead...
I'm running Thunderbolt/HP grass/Extrasensory/CM.

Oh, and CB Rhyperior is a beast. A beast, I say.

Yes. Yes it is.

CB Rhyperior. Basically, you click "Stone Edge", and the opponent loses most of its HP. Of course, it will be hard to do that more than once if Registeel or Steelix is around.

I'm hoping you read this in the analysis :). Rhyperior is great because it has the powerful STAB Rock-type unavoidable STAB with the threat of Earthquake and Megahorn. This makes anything like Donphan or Steelix hesitate before switching in.

Also, Registeel is FAR from a good switch in. Stone Edge vs Registeel: 27.5% - 32.4%.

 

[dbcb]

What does cb rhyperior spamming Stone Edge advantages over CB Aggron spamming head smash. Is it just because its easier to switch in?

(only play wifi, hgss just came out so haven't had a chance to try hs aggron)

 

[Lemmiwinks MkII]

Well, I've been trying out a Calm Mind + 3 attacks LO Raikou... and it's great! It's actually better than the Sub set imo, but then mine is an offensive team.
However, I rarely even use Calm Mind, so I'm thinking if I should go for 4 attacks instead...

I wouldn't. You really need Calm Mind to achieve 1-2HKOs against certain Pokemon that could otherwise recover spam and stall you out of health. Specially defensive Venusaur, for example, is not 2HKO'd by Extrasensory. Eve if you really didn't have any use for Calm Mind at all, Raikou doesn't have any really useful options for a fourth attack, besides Signal Beam for pure Grass types I guess. You would probably get more benefit out of an auxillary move like Substitute, Magnet Rise or a screen than the minimal coverage another attack would give you.

But I wouldn't drop Calm Mind on offensive unchoiced Raikou. Ever.

 

[dbcb]

even roar woudl be better than a 4th attack IMO. Come in, roar on the switch to rack up entry hazard damage + see what the opponents counter is. Lets you use teh appropriate move or even let you get the hell out of there if say a dugtrio is coming to trap you.

 

[flashbolt]

Try to use Pokemon that "everyone" else uses if you have trouble building your own team. I know my old Spikestacking team that was so successful last round but not so much this round (people know it as well as I do -_-) is "not as good" but it would easily get me requirements. I got to like 1540 CRE in a day, it's not too difficult! Go look for a 5 star RMT [brag] such as mine [/brag] and you really shouldn't have trouble getting at least 1600 rating. That's not that much, at 1540 CRE I had a rating of like 1750 iirc, so you could probably get away with having a 1400 cre and 1600 rating.

Wait..Does that mean the rating they use for voting requirements isnt your CRE? I did wonder why i would qualify even when my CRE isnt that good. so i guess it is the upper bound of your rating?

While im on the topic, is it your peak rating, average rating or rating at the end of the period that counts?

Also, for SEXP, roughly how many battles do you need to be able to vote on a pokemon?

Sorry if this has been mentionned already. (i was thinking about posting this to reach/Jabba but i didnt think it would do much harm here and i dont want to bother them unnecessarily)

 

[HR.]

Wait..Does that mean the rating they use for voting requirements isnt your CRE? I did wonder why i would qualify even when my CRE isnt that good. so i guess it is the upper bound of your rating?

While im on the topic, is it your peak rating, average rating or rating at the end of the period that counts?

Also, for SEXP, roughly how many battles do you need to be able to vote on a pokemon?

Sorry if this has been mentionned already. (i was thinking about posting this to reach/Jabba but i didnt think it would do much harm here and i dont want to bother them unnecessarily)

This should help you understand. CRE does not have anything to do with voting requirements; to find the rating for voting requirements, you take the average of the two numbers under your rating.

Also, though I'm not 100% sure, I'm quite positive that there is no set number of battles needed to vote on a pokemon; in fact, if you have a really good paragraph, I think you can vote on a pokemon regardless of how much you have used it. It just helps your case if you have a higher SEXP on that suspect.

 

[GMLW]

I wouldn't. You really need Calm Mind to achieve 1-2HKOs against certain Pokemon that could otherwise recover spam and stall you out of health. Specially defensive Venusaur, for example, is not 2HKO'd by Extrasensory. Eve if you really didn't have any use for Calm Mind at all, Raikou doesn't have any really useful options for a fourth attack, besides Signal Beam for pure Grass types I guess. You would probably get more benefit out of an auxillary move like Substitute, Magnet Rise or a screen than the minimal coverage another attack would give you.

But I wouldn't drop Calm Mind on offensive unchoiced Raikou. Ever.

As a third attack, I would use Extrasensory as it hits Venusaur, the main target of HP Ice. This frees you up to use HP Grass. It doesn't do as well against non-poison grass types, but the other grass types aren't as common.

 

[Lemmiwinks MkII]

As a third attack, I would use Extrasensory as it hits Venusaur, the main target of HP Ice. This frees you up to use HP Grass. It doesn't do as well against non-poison grass types, but the other grass types aren't as common.

How is that in any way related to what I said?

 

[Golden Sun]

Round ends April 11th

Ratings requirements for this round are 1600/55 and there's the new added upper requirement of 1775/45! Note that meeting these upper reqs will not make you free of sending in anything, but rather you're only required to write ~2 sentences describing your vote for each suspect.

Wait what? Only 2 sentences, I might actually try and ladder

 

[MSB]

Wait what? Only 2 sentences, I might actually try and ladder

^^^

"Froslass is broken because it sets up spikes easily. These spikes help achieve many important KOs for Pokemon such as Moltres."

I don't think I'll make it though. >_>

 

[Delko]

For all of those who want to get a high CRE without doing to much for it, just find a moment when there aren't a lot of people on Shoddy. Ask if some people could come to the UU ladder. This way you get to battle some noobs 8 times in a row so your CRE will increase quickly. I did it this morning (when it's 4o clock in the morning in US) and raised my CRE to above 1500 on 3 different accounts. Just a hint. I also noticed that the less you loose the more your CRE will raise after a battle. So another hints is don't get defeated.

PS. I didn't meant to offend players who play the UU ladder and loose often.

 

[Son_of_Shadoo]

Try to use Pokemon that "everyone" else uses if you have trouble building your own team. I know my old Spikestacking team that was so successful last round but not so much this round (people know it as well as I do -_-) is "not as good" but it would easily get me requirements. I got to like 1540 CRE in a day, it's not too difficult! Go look for a 5 star RMT [brag] such as mine [/brag] and you really shouldn't have trouble getting at least 1600 rating. That's not that much, at 1540 CRE I had a rating of like 1750 iirc, so you could probably get away with having a 1400 cre and 1600 rating.

I appreciate the advice, Hey. I don't usually use other people's teams, as a rule, since I need to gain experience, but, what the hell? I need to win some matches to raise my self-esteem... I'm a sad panda.

Anyway, I think what Jabba meant by those "special circumstances" is that you cannot simply say "Raikou was nommed last time so lets just nom it again this time" if you try to nominate it and something new has to be brought to the table. It's pretty clear that (either we are retarded or) Raikou is not "obviously BL" because we have voted it UU twice in a row. Note that "we have voted" excludes myself, btw.

I see. Now why couldn't someone have said that at the beginning of the thread...? *sigh*

 

[shrang]

For all of those who want to get a high CRE without doing to much for it, just find a moment when there aren't a lot of people on Shoddy. Ask if some people could come to the UU ladder. This way you get to battle some noobs 8 times in a row so your CRE will increase quickly. I did it this morning (when it's 4o clock in the morning in US) and raised my CRE to above 1500 on 3 different accounts. Just a hint. I also noticed that the less you loose the more your CRE will raise after a battle. So another hints is don't get defeated.

PS. I didn't meant to offend players who play the UU ladder and loose often.

LOL that is a great tip. I did that on Ubers for a little while before. I might try that, but playing better players would make you better (at playing the game) right?? UU might also be riskier because gimmicks are more likely to throw you off (Stuff like people spamming Regigigas and catching you off guard).

 

[GMLW]

How is that in any way related to what I said?

Oh wait, I missed the part in your post where you mentioned Extrasensory. I only saw Signal Beam. My bad.

 

[PK Gaming]

Am I the only one who thinks stall dominates?

UU stall is so much harder to break than OU stall.

 

[Golden Sun]

Am I the only one who thinks stall dominates?

UU stall is so much harder to break than OU stall.

Not really the thing with UU is that you can't cover every single threat and random stuff tends to pop up more then in OU

 

[shrang]

Anyone tried out Offensive SubRoost Moltres?? That thing is pretty good. It pretty much works like the standard SubRoost Ho-oh set in Ubers, although with nowhere near the tanking ability, but with (for UU standards) a lot more sweeping potential. The set is:

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid/Modest
-Substitute
-Flamethrower
-Air Slash
-Roost

You may look at that and go "You are walled by Rock types". While this may be true, one must remember that most Rock types that are threat to Moltres use Stone Edge as their Rock STAB (Stuff like Rhyperior and Regirock). This means you can Sub-stall out Stone Edge with Pressure if you at full health (And you might be lucky to get a miss too). Kabutops can be a problem, but such is life. This set works best when you have 2 layers of Toxic Spikes up (And make sure to keep them up), as you can potentially beat stuff like Chansey and Milotic (Non RestTalk versions). The nature is up to you. I prefer Timid because I'm paranoid about stuff outspeeding me (And unless people run Timid on their Rotom, they can't outspeed me). Even with Timid, you can 2HKO Slowbro with Air Slash.

 

[SJCrew]

What does cb rhyperior spamming Stone Edge advantages over CB Aggron spamming head smash. Is it just because its easier to switch in?

(only play wifi, hgss just came out so haven't had a chance to try hs aggron)

30 more base attack, STAB EQ, perfect coverage, switches in easier, Solid Rock, immune to twave, harder for Duggy to revenge, breaks most walls, harder to predict due to both of its STABs being immensely powerful, very difficult to counter overall.

You wouldn't know playing against it, since not a lot of people run CB, almost no one knows how to use it properly, and people tend to sac it way too early. Once you meet a decent player with it, stay on your toes because he WILL give you hell.

 

[flashbolt]

This should help you understand. CRE does not have anything to do with voting requirements; to find the rating for voting requirements, you take the average of the two numbers under your rating.

Also, though I'm not 100% sure, I'm quite positive that there is no set number of battles needed to vote on a pokemon; in fact, if you have a really good paragraph, I think you can vote on a pokemon regardless of how much you have used it. It just helps your case if you have a higher SEXP on that suspect.

Excellent, the maths is very simple.
Is this average taken at the end of the period (so you could just power ladder at the end)?