OU RMT based on Latias going to Ubers

Explanation

Hello Smogon. I've been on and off Shoddy after my last RMT. I quit with the old team after no success and I made a new team. This team has given me a ton of success after I stopped laddering and brought me up to 1250 CRE. Now I present you with the team.

]First Look at the Team​

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Role: Lead
Nature: Impish
Ability: Keen Eye
EV Spread: 252 HP / 192 Defense / 64 Sp. Defense
Held Item: Shed Shell
Moves:
~ Roost
~ Stealth Rock
~ Whirlwind
~ Brave Bird
I love the Defense that Skarmory has. With 192 Defense EV’s, it reaches 400 Defense. While Skarmory has above average Defense, Skarmory has sub par Sp. Defense and can’t take a STABed super-effective special move very well. Skarmory almost always sets up the Stealth Rock for me unless I am facing a threat to him. Brave Bird is to do damage when they think that Taunt will shut me down. Roost is for healing, and Whirlwind is for blowing out stat boosters and to rack up the damage. I suppose this could be my Spiker, but then I have no Stealth Rock support.
Synergy:
Fire Type Attacks: Lanturn and Latias
Electric Type Attacks: Lanturn, Latias and Rotom-H

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Role: Parafuser
Nature: Calm
Ability: Volt Absorb
EV Spread: 40 HP / 216 Defense / 252 Sp. Defense
Held Item: Leftovers
Moves:
Thunder Wave
~ Confuse Ray
~ Thunderbolt
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder Wave
Lanturn might seem to be unusable in OU. While Lanturn doesn’t have the best Defenses in the world, it can come on repeated Electric type attacks because of its ability, Volt Absorb. With the given EV’s, Lanturn can come in on a weak attack and proceed to setup. Thunderbolt and Ice Beam provide almost perfect coverage. I think that Lanturn is the weakest link on the team as it doesn’t need support.
Synergy:
Grass Type Attacks: Skarmory, Latias and Rotom-H
Ground Type Attacks: Skarmory, Latias and Rotom-H

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Role: Physical Sweeper
Nature: Adamant
Ability: No Guard
EV Spread: 160 HP / 252 Attack / 96 Speed
Held Item: Life Orb
Moves
~ Dynamic Punch
~ Stone Edge
~ Payback
~ Bullet Punch
Machamp goes up there with Breloom for the best Fighting-type in the game. While Breloom arguably has the best move in the game, Spore, Machamp also arguably has the best ability in the game, No Guard. This is a moveset that I modified from the Substitute + 3 Attacks. Dynamic Punch is obvious STAB, Stone Edge is for Flying-types, Payback is to hit Ghosts and Bullet Punch is to pick off Pokemon with priority. I don’t know how the EV’s affect me and I need suggestions.
Synergy
Psychic Type Attacks: Metagross, Skarmory and Latias
Flying Type Attacks: Skarmory, Lanturn, Metagross and Rotom-H

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Role: End Game Sweeper
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Clear Body
EV Spread: 112 HP / 252 Attack / 12 Defense / 132 Speed
Held Item: Muscle Band
Moves
~ Agility
~ Meteor Mash
~ ThunderPunch
~ Earthquake
Metagross is one of my favorite Pokemon of all time. I just had to incorporate him into this team. The EV’s are the standard Agiligross EV’s. I opted for ThunderPunch so that I can hit everything for neutral damage, barring Rotom-A and Shedinja. Meteor Mash is for obvious STAB and Earthquake pairs nicely with it. I went with Muscle Band because I didn’t want to suffer Life Orb recoil and I needed extra power and Leftovers didn’t fit the bill. Max Attack, 132 Speed and Adamant nature for max power. After an Agility boost, it reaches 418 Speed with an 405 Attack stat makes it very deadly
Synergy
Ground Type Attacks: Skarmory, Latias and Rotom-H
Fire Type Attacks: Lanturn and Latias[/FONT]
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Role: Special Sweeper
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 4 HP / 252 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed
Held Item: Expert Belt
Moves:
~ Draco Meteor
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~HP Fire / HP Fighting
Latias is going to be Uber soon so I’m using her while I can. She is the special sweeper, though. This set is a modified version of the Scarftias set. With HP Fire, I get the surprise KO on Scizor that thinks it can setup on me and thinks I’m a Choice version stuck in Draco Meteor. HP Fighting lets me cover Tyranitar who often Crunches or Pursuits me. Max Attack and Max Speed let me do the most damage and be the fastest, even though I’m losing speed ties with Latias because of having HP Fire.
Synergy
Ice Type Attacks: Lanturn and Metagross
Bug Type Attacks: Skarmory, Rotom-H and Machamp
Dark Type Attacks: Skarmory and Machamp
Ghost Type Attacks: Skarmory
Dragon Type Attacks: Skarmory and Metagross

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Role: Will-o-Wisper / Spin Blocker
Nature: Bold
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 252 HP / 168 Defense / 88 Speed
Held Item: Leftovers
Moves
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Discharge
~ Shadow Ball / HP Grass
~ Overheat
The Standard Rotom-H comes to another RMT. Will-o-Wisp is obvious to burn Physical Attackers so they do next to nothing against me. Discharge is for STAB and the paralysis rate gets really annoying. Overheat is for Scizor to check other Steel types. Shadow Ball is to opposing Ghosts and whoever resists Discharge / Overheat. I’m testing HP Grass over Shadow Ball because I see Swampert and I have no Grass moves.
Last Look
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*Credits go to Arkeis.com for the pics and pe2k.com for the sprites
 
Why does everyone say Latias will be uber?
We've dealt with her a long time and not many people have problems with her >.<

But I have noticed that your team lacks a revenge killer, so I recommend changing Latias back to the scarf set, taking out hidden power for trick. Rotom makes a great switch in to Scizor and Machamp for Tyranitar. If Latias gets pursuited, Metagross gets a free turn to set up :D

This is a good team, and I hope I helped!
 
Hey, first of all great team! I have a couple of suggestions which are not necessary for your team but they might improve the overall performance of this team in competitive battles; I have two suggestions which may help your team; use hem if you like but don't if you don't want to because this team is looking great the way it is already.

First of all, I really think you should change your Skarmory lead into something else; the reason - just like me, a lot of competitive battlers think that Skarmory should only be used for spikes support; since it takes two to three turns for the spikes, they fully take advantage of Skarmary's monstrous defense stats and since what you really want is a lead which will almost always guarantee you of stealth rock support, I suggest changing the Skarmory you currently have into the standard lead Metagross. Metagross will almost always ensure stealth rock support and will often end up heavily denting or even destroying one of your opponent's pokemon. Here is the set:

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Metagross @ Occa Berry
Adamant Natured | Clear Body Ability
252 HP | 236 Atk | 12 Def | 8 Spe
~ Stealth Rock
~ Bullet Punch
~ Earthquake
~ Explosion

Also, if this set seems rather unappealing to you, you could also use the standard MixPert Swampert set which also proves to be a great lead, getting stealth rock up almost all of the time and also acting as a great counter to today's common leads including Heatran and Metagross. Here is the set for the standard MixPert lead:

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature | Torrent Ability
252 HP | 4 Atk | 252 Def
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Beam
~ Protect (this ensures you survival when put against suicide (explosion) leads such as Azelf who are almost always use explosion after setting up stealth rock)

Now if you chose to go with the lead Metagross I suggested, you'll find that now you have two Metagrosses in your team, this problem can quickly be resolved; changed the offensive Metagross you have into a standard swords dance Lucario who also acts as one of the greatest late game sweepers in the game and almost always gets a clean sweep through if its counters have been terminated; here is the set:

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant Natured | Inner Focus Ability
252 Atk | 4 Def | 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Crunch

I hope I helped!; and also, good luck with your team!
 
Thanks for the rates

@Grimhawke
I was considering about doing to change but the problem is that I lose the chance to beat Scizor without having to switch Latias.

@Altros74
I will try the Metagross lead as it is one of my favorite pokemon. I will also try that Lucario even though I don't like Luke that much.
 
dragonite08 said:
Thanks for the rates

@Grimhawke
I was considering about doing to change but the problem is that I lose the chance to beat Scizor without having to switch Latias.

@Altros74
I will try the Metagross lead as it is one of my favorite pokemon. I will also try that Lucario even though I don't like Luke that much.
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Well, okay; also like I mentioned in my post above; you don't need Meatgross as you lead; simply put Swampert in that place as he also does the job more or less the same way as Metagross.
 
Hello,

I got your PM and I'm really sorry I didn't have the time to rate your team up to now as I was really busy this week. I didn't forget you though and will try my best now.

First of all, the balanced structure of your team is okay. However I noticed that there are some major flaws and you will certainly have to make some changes in order to be more successful. As most of the replies above are not very detailed, I will try to make up for that now, so prepare for a long rate. xP

First to your teams flaws: SD Lucario is your biggest weakness. After one Swords Dance and with Stealth Rock in Play, it ohkoes each single member of your team. Also DD Salamence or Dragonite with Fire Blast will destroy you. Other DD users like Gyarados (especially with Taunt), Kingdra and Tyranitar will also give you trouble. As soon as Latias is dead also Nasty Plot Infernape and Azelf run through your team. Also you will have problems against (semi-) Stall teams in general due to your team's inability to remove Entry Hazards and the fact that all of your team members can easily be walled.
These are the problems I will focus on removing in the following.

Lead: Don't use Skarmory. It is a great pokemon and an okay lead but it doesn't fit in your team at all. Its great selling point is Spikes, which isn't even used. It only sets up Stealth Rocks for you and there are way better leads which can do that as well. I would suggest Lead Heatran in this slot. It matches up well against the most common leads in OU and reliably gets up Rocks. It is still usable later in the game as a check for Scizor and others.
Heatran@Shuca Berry
Timid-252SpAtk, 252Spe, 4HP
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Stealth Rock
-HP Grass
HP Grass is in my opinion the best choice at the moment due to the increasing usage of Swampert Leads. However if you prefer Explosion, you can drop HP for it and use a Naive nature.

Lanturn: Well, a bulky water in this slot is absolutely okay. But Lanturn is just too weak in OU. Vaporeon could fill that slot very nicely and it will provide your team with a reliable Infernape and Gyarados check as well as with Wish support.
Vaporeon@Leftovers
Bold-188HP, 252Def, 68 SpDef
-Surf
-Wish
-Protect
-Roar/HP Electric
Roar is the superior choice because your team can really need a phazer. HP Electric is also an option if DD Gyarados is a big problem for you, but it shouldn't be.

Machamp: This is okay. But you should use Substitute over Bullet Punch. Bullet Punch is only really viable for the Anti-Lead set as it won't deal much damage. You should also move 88 EVs from Speed to HP as Bulk is more important for this Machamp.

Metagross: Your team absoplutely needs a reliable revenge killer and I feel Metagross can be replaced. I would use a Choice Scarf Jirachi. It will deal with DD Tyranitar, DD Salamence, SD Scizor, SD Lucario, and many others.
Jirachi@Choice Scarf
Jolly-252Atk, 252Spe, 4HP
-Iron Head
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Zen-Headbutt/Trick
Zen-Headbutt is a good option to kill Machamp, the dangerous Infernape and gets STAB. If you feel you don't need that, you can use Trick, which is always a useful move to have against Stall teams and last pokemon stat uppers like CroCune and Curselax.

Rotom-H: This set is absolutely okay. Although I'd still prefer Thundedrbolt over Discharge but the paralysis can really help... so that's up to you.

Latias: This set is okay but as you said Latias will be banned. Therefore I would suggest Mix Salamence in this slot. This will help you greatly against stallish teams, as it is probably the best stall breaker in the game.
Salamence@Life Orb
Rash-252Spe, 252SpAtk, 4HP
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Brick Break
-Roost

I think these changes should help. If you encounter new/other problems feel free to comtact me again.
Hope I could help. Good Luck !
 
Hey looking at your sweeper: Metagross, who is absolutly walled to death by any Rotom-forme. However without changing anything on your team I think you should change your Machamp set to Guts ability and thereafter shift your moveset. This will allow a Rotom to have a false sense of security and then you can you blast it with a 1.5x Payback while burned, or not. Since almost every Machamp is No Guard.

An example of the modified Machamp set could be:

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@Life Orb
Adamant : Guts
EV: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
- Revenge / Close Combat
- Payback
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge / Bullet Punch
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Ice Punch can be useful for hitting a Dragon, excluding Kingdra for SE damage. Stone Edge or Bullet Punch can work, which ever you need more.​
 
I'm not very good at rates and I can't really say much the others haven't but I do have one thing for if you're keeping the team similar to what it is in the OP...

Agili-Gross not getting super effective on Rotom-A could be vital. I know it's supposed to be an end game sweeper but there's every chance Rotom-A could be alive enough at that time and it will stop the sweep with WoW. So Ice Punch could replace it or give it a Lum Berry to live through the first burn. What do I think's the best option? Maybe one of the other guys suggestions for the whole team...

Edit: I was totally typing this before the post above me was posted...
 
Okay. I've made a lot of changes to this team as of now.
Skarmory --> Heatran
Lanturn --> Vaporeon
Metagross --> Jirachi
I've decided to keep Latias as it gets the surprise KO on Scizor evry now and then. Latias is still in OU so I'm going to keep it while it lasts.
 
dragonite08 said:
Okay. My team now:
Heatran
Vaporeon
Jirachi
Machamp
Latias
Rotom-H
I'm testing Suicune over Vaporeon. Any more suggestions
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Hi I got your PM!

Sorry for the late reply. Anyways, so this is your current team? If so, Scizor, Salamence, Gyara and Luke can pose a threat to your team. I think your old team looks a lot better, cause these threats have no way to set up on your team. While here.. Uhh.. Gyara on Heatran, Luke on Vappy, only those two. ScarfJirachi's doing a great job here killing all those threats, but without it, your toast!! Suicune > Vaporeon? lol. I won't do that. Luke, mence and gyara can set up on it. Wait, is that really a ScarfRachi? If so, it can be a set up bait, you know. Jirachi trapped in Fire Punch would mean that Salamence can set up on ya, Jirachi trapped in Ice Punch would mean a set up for Lucario.

I suggest Scizor cause it can revenge kill many, many threats and can heavily damage almost any team with U-turn, Scizor has been in many successful teams. You can replace Jirachi with it but that isn't a good idea. Lastly, you can make Latias as a TrickScarf sweeper. Revenge killing many threats early game and Tricking your Scarf to ruin many threats Late-game and for sweeping is nice.

First to your teams flaws: SD Lucario is your biggest weakness. After one Swords Dance and with Stealth Rock in Play, it ohkoes each single member of your team. Also DD Salamence or Dragonite with Fire Blast will destroy you. Other DD users like Gyarados (especially with Taunt), Kingdra and Tyranitar will also give you trouble. As soon as Latias is dead also Nasty Plot Infernape and Azelf run through your team. Also you will have problems against (semi-) Stall teams in general due to your team's inability to remove Entry Hazards and the fact that all of your team members can easily be walled.
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I totally agree with this, on his new team that is, but on his old team. I don't think so, sweepers can't set up. Lucario can't, If he sets up on Skarm he's going to fly away, and he's going to get paralyzed if he set's up on Lanturn, OHKO'd on Machamp, EQ'd on Metagross, no way on Latias, and Burned or OHKO'd on Rotom. See? However DDmence can on Metagross but you can burn it anyways. The only thing I can suggest is make Latias a Scarfer so that Mence and other Dragon-types are a no, no or Rotom as your Scarfer so that Scizor and Luke would suck Overheat.. That's All!! I suck so much at rating.. I hope this stupid suggestion helps! Good Luck!!
 
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