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Bluewind said:
Looking forawrd to Tentacruel dropping down. Even though I don't think it's gonna be a top tier any soon (bulky water that is owned by Dugtrio and has no reliable recovery... >.>), but a rather interesting addition, and a perfect fit to the metagame it seems.
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I await the day we have a 100% Moltes counter, another bulky water, and a spinner. Tentacruel would also counter special Venusaur. Truly a badass.

Slowking is going to overtake Slowbro. This metagame NEEDS bulky special waters.

Too bad Slowbro.
PS: Guys, Umbreon is in the danger zone!!!
 
Heysup said:
Dugtrio + Moltres go go
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Dugtrio can't switch into surf though :P.

Anywho

Tentacruel: Sir, I have successfully neutralized the flying threat.
General Torterra: Excellent. Wipe it off the face of the earth.
Tentacruel: With pleasure... Sir, requesting permission to spin away the entry hazards.
Torterra: Permission denied. Kill it before it can get away and call reinforcements.
Tentacruel: No, it's just going to switch out anyway.

*suddenly

Dugtrio: FREeezE Maggot!
Tentacruel: Uh oh
Dugtrio OHKO's with Earthquake
Torterra: Tentacruel? Tentacruel? TENTACRUEL!
 
Stealth Rock means that Mantine can switch into one STAB move from Moltres and after it is inevitably forced out, it dies the next time it tries to sponge an attack.

Everyone needs to use Choice Band Scyther right now. I never thought that I'd say this, but HeYsUp is actually right about pairing it with SubCM Raikou. Not much can eat a U-turn with spikes on the field, and we all know how ridiculously easy it is to get up spikes! You can even pair it with Dugtrio so that all the Registeel switching in get trapped and killed, leaving Raikou pretty free to sweep. If Choice Band Dugtrio wants to use not Stone Edge to revenge something, you just cleared another obstacle for a Raikou sweep by pursuing it for the kill. Stealth Rock isn't really a problem if you are using a spinner (PS YOU SHOULD) and you aren't stupid. tl;dr use scyther
 
You can always Rest (which seems that it's used on nearly any Mantine out there).
And Rest is why it's the best counter. No funny SubRoost Moltres ruining your fun.


Scyther: I'm still using the SD one with Quick Attack to a great effect.SD Brick Break takes a nice chunk from even Steelix/Registeel, while Aerial Ace hits anything esle hard.
CB Scyther is like Scizor though...
 
M BLADE said:
CB Scyther is like Scizor though...
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Yea Scyther abuses its Steel-typing and STAB priority Technician boosted Bullet Punch to make up for its lackluster speed.

Oh wait

CB Scyther plays nothing like CB Scizor. Scyther abuses its great Speed and Technician boosted Aerial Ace.
 
Heysup said:
Yea Scyther abuses its Steel-typing and STAB priority Technician boosted Bullet Punch to make up for its lackluster speed.

Oh wait

CB Scyther plays nothing like CB Scizor. Scyther abuses its great Speed and Technician boosted Aerial Ace.
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Man, it's hard for you to understand what i want to say...


You use U-Turn to scout. CB Scyther always uses U-Turn.
Like Scizor. And STAB U-Turn hurts.
It mostly abuses U-Turn, like Scizor. And also has Pursuit if it likes to.

CB Scyther's JOB is SIMILAR to CB Scizor: scouting while hitting as hard as you can.
It's not equal: it's similar.


Unless you're using CB Scyther without U-Turn... if you're using one like that, you're doing it wrong.


And watsup with the comparsions:



Just like Scarf Primeape acts like Flygon (Scarf revenge killer with U-Turn)...

Yea Primeape abuses it's electric and ground immunities and nearly unresisted STABs to revenge kill effectively...

Oh wait


See how that's wrong?


PS: i should make my points more clearer...
 
I still think Froslass is more annoying than powerful, but I want to try abusing it in a non-lead slot. The problem is, I'm not sure what to put in as a lead. A dedicated antilead would make the most sense, except the really effective ones (Machoke, Sneasel, Ambipom, ect) seem to die off pretty quickly and are frail overall. How do I fit in a decent lead and Froslass without basically having a third of my team suicide every match?
 
Yea Scyther abuses its Steel-typing and STAB priority Technician boosted Bullet Punch to make up for its lackluster speed.

Oh wait

CB Scyther plays nothing like CB Scizor. Scyther abuses its great Speed and Technician boosted Aerial Ace.
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Scizor abuses U-Turn a lot more than it does Bullet Punch. Using Bullet Punch = Magnezone bait.

Anyways, I have used CB Scyther on one of my alts, and it pairs nicely with Swellow, IMO. U-Turn to Swellow on a safe switch, activate your Orb. If it's possible, just U-Turn back to Scyther. I've probably softened up heaps of Pokemon just by using U-Turning Scyther and Swellow as an evil U-Turning duo, just U-Tuning back and forth.
 
shrang said:
Scizor abuses U-Turn a lot more than it does Bullet Punch. Using Bullet Punch = Magnezone bait.

Anyways, I have used CB Scyther on one of my alts, and it pairs nicely with Swellow, IMO. U-Turn to Swellow on a safe switch, activate your Orb. If it's possible, just U-Turn back to Scyther. I've probably softened up heaps of Pokemon just by using U-Turning Scyther and Swellow as an evil U-Turning duo, just U-Tuning back and forth.
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Most of the moves that scyther is weak to, swellow is weak to as well, I highly doubt you can switch back and forth very well between the two.
 
connoisseur said:
Most of the moves that scyther is weak to, swellow is weak to as well, I highly doubt you can switch back and forth very well between the two.
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Well if his opponent isn't very smart he will just switch out excepting brave bird/facade or brick break/bug bite/aerial ace and that gives him opportunity to U-Turn all over the place. Again, this usally works against people who aren't very smart though :)
 
Shnoogle said:
Well if his opponent isn't very smart he will just switch out excepting brave bird/facade or brick break/bug bite/aerial ace and that gives him opportunity to U-Turn all over the place. Again, this usally works against people who aren't very smart though :)
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Nobody worth playing obviously.

Harsh but true. You can't expect EVERYONE to be idiotic.
 
M BLADE said:
Man, it's hard for you to understand what i want to say...
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I wonder why....
M BLADE] You use U-Turn to scout. CB Scyther always uses U-Turn. Like Scizor. And STAB U-Turn hurts. It mostly abuses U-Turn said:
I still think Froslass is more annoying than powerful, but I want to try abusing it in a non-lead slot. The problem is, I'm not sure what to put in as a lead. A dedicated antilead would make the most sense, except the really effective ones (Machoke, Sneasel, Ambipom, ect) seem to die off pretty quickly and are frail overall. How do I fit in a decent lead and Froslass without basically having a third of my team suicide every match?
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I use Scarf Venusaur...but I've used Pokemon like Kabutops for with quite a bit of success.
 
Heysup said:
Dugtrio + Moltres go go
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I think that some of us are forgetting that Dugtrio is designated as a revenge killer and not an anti-counter because it has zero defenses and you really need to wait for the right opportunity to bring it in. If Moltres sends out Tentacruel, you're better off switching to Raikou, Slowbro, or any other Psychic or Electric unless you really want it to die.

I wouldn't advise switching it in on a Surf, but hey, if that's the new flavor of the month to claim X and Y UU has little to no counters, then by all means.
 
Well, I think what Heysup means is that you lure Tentacruel in with something else beforehand, and then take Dugtrio out on the revenge. Then again, that's half your team right there. Dugtrio could try to be sneaky and try to switch on a Rapid Spin, though.
 
Or, you know, double-switching *collective gasp*

It's not hard to get Dugtrio in to revenge kill, the drawback is that it can only actually KO certain Pokemon. Tentacruel is one of those Pokemon.
 
I've been noticing a big rise in sunny day teams for some reason... I don't know if that is just my luck facing a few in a row but there are definately more than there used to be.


Also, when do the voting things open up?
 
If I can get my free spin to take out that million layers of Spikes everyone thinks is up at all times, then mission accomplished, I'll happily let him die. If you come in on Surf, you're dead, and I'm still free to do whatever I want. If you come in on the revenge, whoop-dee-doo, I just killed your Pokemon, and I'm coming in to set up with another. Dugtrio is still the same one-trick revenge-killing pony it always was.

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Or, you know, double-switching *collective gasp*
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I'm still not getting what Tentacruel has that Dugtrio really wants to switch in on. Either I get rid of your entry hazards, kill Dugtrio with Ice Beam or Surf, or switch out myself. Dugtrio isn't countering Tentacruel in this lifetime, sorry.
 
Heysup said:
This is like saying Slowbro and Alakazam are similar. They use some of the same moves and share their Psychic-type. However they are played completely differently. Slowbro is clearly more defensive and uses its bulk to function. Alakazam uses its Speed to function.
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Yeah, both are very similar.


I'm going to post a quick response:

CB Scizor: slow, bulky scouter with strong priority that works around it's nice typing.
CB Scyther: fast scouter that has strong STAB moves and works around it's speed.

See the bolded part? That's the main job of both.
That's the similarity i'm talking about. And it's Scyther and Scizor main job.

This main job implies there's similarity on both pokes, even if everything else's different.

Get it now?

Someone's words: "So similar, yet so different..."
 
Shnoogle said:
I've been noticing a big rise in sunny day teams for some reason... I don't know if that is just my luck facing a few in a row but there are definately more than there used to be.
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Well, I'm playing with my SD team again, though it unfortunately doesn't rip apart 90% of the ladder like last time, and I think another person is using one, too. So there's your usage :P
 
Shnoogle said:
I've been noticing a big rise in sunny day teams for some reason... I don't know if that is just my luck facing a few in a row but there are definately more than there used to be.


Also, when do the voting things open up?
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Yeah, definitely seeing this, although it might just be 1 person with alts.
 
I'm currently using SD and it's pretty potent. SD Tangrowth= SD Kabutops that is slower, stronger and harder to kill.

Specs Eruption is very fun.
 
M BLADE said:
Yeah, both are very similar.


I'm going to post a quick response:

CB Scizor: slow, bulky scouter with strong priority that works around it's nice typing.
CB Scyther: fast scouter that has strong STAB moves and works around it's speed.

See the bolded part? That's the main job of both.
That's the similarity i'm talking about. And it's Scyther and Scizor main job.

This main job implies there's similarity on both pokes, even if everything else's different.

Get it now?

Someone's words: "So similar, yet so different..."
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Scyther is not a scouter. It loses 50% just switching in and has way too many weaknesses. Scizor only has one weakness, a number of useful resistances, is stronger, slower, more devensive, and gets by on weakening walls and abusing its boosted STAB priority in order to prevent a good number of OUs from sweeping. Scyther is a revenge killer at best

Even if they both have a Choice Band and STAB U-turn, they don't play anywhere close to the same because their typing, stats, and even movepools are vastly different in key areas.
 
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