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DO NOT CLAIM TO ME, or I am forced to decapitate Altair.

Some very convincing stranger visited me it seems. But, I rather sleep during the nights, so please, do not visit me anymore.

Also, can someone give me the oh-so-famous PM that aska seems to have sent out?

EDIT: Got it now, thanks.
 
I can guarantee you that lynching me is a mistake. Askaninjask's reasons for lynching me are flawed and hasty. I didn't want to put myself in the spotlight since my role is quite important, but I don't seem to have a choice now. Here is my role PM, in its entirety:

Eo Ut Mortus said:
Dear MagicMaster87,
You are Getafix.

getafix.jpg


You are very well known as the druid who makes magic potions for Asterix and the others in your village. But you have several more tricks up your sleeve, which you pull out only when needed. You have decided to ally with Asterix and his team members, in order to stop the vile invaders who attempt to kill you all.

At night, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying “Night X- Brewing dud magic potion for <user>. You will brew a dud potion and convince <user> that it is the real potion, and will convince him in exchange to tell you their entire contents of his role PM by the end off the night.

Alternatively, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying “Night X- Brewing real magic potion for <user>”. <user> will become so strong that he will be able to stop almost anybody from successfully targeting him with their night action. However, seeing as the magic potion does not make anybody invulnerable to attack, they can still be killed. This cannot be stacked with your other ability, as brewing the real magic potion takes a lot of time.

You are holding the Roman Torch. You may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying “Night X- Swishing Torch in front of <user>. <user> will be so frightened by the flames of the torch that they will be unable to pull off anything during the night. This stacks with your normal abilities. This item is only usable once.

From your vast age and wisdom, you know that there are 5 HyperPowered Draconeers, 5 SuperCellular Warriors, 2 neutrals, and 14 Multiplex SuperCannons in this game.

You are allied with the Multiplex SuperCannons. You win if the Multiplex SuperCannons eliminate all unfriendly threats.

Now, askaninjask's first reason for suspecting me was because I did not have an item in the Role PM that I gave him. I admit that I had removed my item at first because I did not fully trust him, but immediately upon his statement of that fact, I gave him the information. And that item is not something you come up with on the spot. Also, if I were truly a mafian who was claiming this, what reason would I have for making the item beforehand and yet not telling him about it?

Askaninjask's second reason is that there are others who claim what I do. And yet, instead of suspecting them, he immediately jumps onto me, even though I've given him my night result (which I will get to momentarily). If there was truly another inspector claim, why didn't they step up with results, rather than attempting to lynch me based on a hunch?

Lastly, here is my night results PM:

Eo Ut Mortus said:
Blue_Tornado thanks you for the potion and describes himself briefly before departing. Oh my! It seems that you have found a spy in your midst!

Eo Ut Mortus said:
Dear Blue_Tornado

You are Dubbelosix.

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You are the spy who attempted to stop Asterix from getting rock oil in the book Asterix and the Black Gold. You did, but when you were sent back to Caesar in a chest that was made from your technologically advanced chariot, he fired you and M. Devious Surreptitious from the M.I.VI. You escaped from him and are now out to seek revenge against Asterix and anybody who decides to stop you. For this purpose you have joined the HyperPowered Draconeers, who recruited you on seeing your vast potential.

At night you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying “Night X- Watching <user>’s house. You will watch over <user>’s house in your chariot, protecting him from everything for that night except attempts on their life, as you are also a coward at heart.

Alternatively, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus at night saying “Night X- Chasing <user>”. You will follow <user> by the cover of the night and find out the identities of all the people whom he visited that night. If <user> did not go anywhere, you will find out the identities of everyone who visit <user> that night. This cannot be stacked with your other ability.

<snip>

You are allied with the HyperPowered Draconeers. You win if the HyperPowered Draconeers eliminate all unfriendly threats.

Unlike askaninjask's mystery inspector claim, I actually have a result to base a lynch off of. In fact, I was working with askaninjask previously, which was why he attempted to have Kannon lynched instead. I was under the impression that Kannon knew we would be trying to have him lynched and that he would know to redirect to Blue_Tornado (which, if you check wickdaggler's log with askaninjask, you'll notice he mentions that there is an actual target).

Now, I ask you: why are we lynching me instead of the more likely Blue_Tornado? Simply because of a hunch? I've given actual information to base a lynch off of; askaninjask is merely going by the claims of others, which could very well be false claims intended for this very purpose.

Or, another possibility, askaninjask is actually a mafian and is trying to damage the village early. Remember his shady actions with lynching Kannon that Veedrock pointed out? He waited until it was clear that Kannon had signed off before starting the lynch on him, and he also failed to mention anything about it to him either, which is something you generally want the person to know with that plan like that! Why would he want to lynch off a role that could be nothing but beneficial to the village (assuming Kannon's role is what has been claimed and that he in sincere in his efforts to become a villager)? Assuming Kannon does want to help the village, he is extremely dangerous to the mafia as he both reduces their numbers by one and adds one to the village, and possibly gives new powers to them. There's also the fact that askaninjask "conveniently" gets kidnapped the very night that he was going to "prove" himself. Lastly, he chose a newbie player to post the information for him, which has one main benefit: if something had gone wrong, he could have simply claimed that wickdaggler was lying and that he never told him to do anything. This works very well with the fact that he is kidnapped and cannot post in the main thread, meaning he wouldn't have to have said anything until after the fact. We have absolutely no reason to trust in askaninjask right now.

Sorry for the long post, and if anyone has any questions, feel free to hit me up on IRC or here in the thread, I'm sure there are points that I've missed out on. In the meantime, however, I urge you to Lynch Blue_Tornado.
 
Hey MagicMaster87. Here is the problem that I find with what you just said. As soon as you are targeted, you all of a sudden have an enemy role PM. Why would you hide this? Why not give aska the evil role PM instead of your own? Your role would have been revealed either way as there is no point in not giving it up.
 
<askaninjask> also you could do me a huge favor by saying that the other inspector has results as well
<askaninjask> in the thread


just posting... i have no ideas atm


also i'm back to macle as a name btw
 
and why do you think aska wants you lynched in the first place? Because, basically our roels are exact opposites - my role is asterix, and, do you know why did he decide on you and not me? That's because your role conflicts with his directly - not just mine. Honestly, you'll all see that mm87 is lying when the lynch is over.

And according to your post, if you're right than aska might be a mafian too! Then, if you really are telling the truth the village will have not one, but two lynch targets.

Now, I've honestly got no way of saying "I'm right, he's wrong" based on solid facts, so I'll just show you my PM as I don't have another choice:
Eo Ut Mortus said:
Dear Blue_Tornado,
You are Asterix.

asterix.jpg


You are the intelligent cunning hero of the Asterix series. Several times, you have outwitted the Romans with your brains, alongwith your best friend Obelix. Now, you and a few others have been infiltrated, and it seems that your enemies, the Romans, have one of their men among them. As the Romans are your enemies, you have joined this fight to defeat them and all the other evil people against you and your newfound friends.

At night, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying "Night X- Questioning host". You will be able to ask a single Yes/No question to the hosts, which they will answer. The question must be included in the body of the night action PM.

Alternatively, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying "Night X- Drinking Magic potion and guarding user>". You will take a good swig of magic potion and go to protect <user>. However, the magic potion does not make you invulnerable, so you will not be able to protect <user> from attempts on his life. This cannot be stacked with your other ability.

You are holding the Spatial Gem. At night, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying "Night X- Forcing <user> into space loop." <user> will be forced to repeat their previous night's action on the same target, whether their target is dead or not. This stacks with your normal abilities. This item is only usable once.

You are allied with the Multiplex SuperCannons. You win if the Multiplex SuperCannons eliminate all unfriendly threats.
Now, let's think for a bit; why would there be a "dubbelosix" when there's no Asterix? That's because I'm asterix, and the only logical explanation I find from this is that mm87 himself is dubbelosix.

Village, the choice is yours. You'll all see what you're doing is a terrible mistake if you truly go with what mm87 claims.
Edit:
Hey MagicMaster87. Here is the problem that I find with what you just said. As soon as you are targeted, you all of a sudden have an enemy role PM. Why would you hide this? Why not give aska the evil role PM instead of your own? Your role would have been revealed either way as there is no point in not giving it up.
Yep, there it is. If you truly found that as your result, why keep it silent?
 
Hey MagicMaster87. Here is the problem that I find with what you just said. As soon as you are targeted, you all of a sudden have an enemy role PM. Why would you hide this? Why not give aska the evil role PM instead of your own? Your role would have been revealed either way as there is no point in not giving it up.

I did give askaninjask this role PM. As I said before, if you read the log that wickdaggler posted, you'll notice that he said that there is a known mafian, and that the plan was to have Kannon redirect to him. That known mafian came from me; as I said, I was working with askaninjask after the night ended, which I now regret instead of coming out with this information immediately, but the plan was to keep me hidden so the mafia wouldn't target me with a kill.

Blue_Tornado said:
And according to your post, if you're right than aska might be a mafian too! Then, if you really are telling the truth the village will have not one, but two lynch targets.

And we'll also be down an inspector, meaning we have no way to find future targets other than guesswork, since the other inspector claim is likely to be false. If we lynch you and I'm lying, all we lose is a safeguard, which is much less useful than an inspector.
 
Like I said, the deciding fact in which aska decided to trust me and not you was when your role conflicted with his. A number guy is something hosts put once in a game, two are completely redundant, and both of you had that. Now, I bet everyone can agree that someone's role conflicting with one person's role is less valuable the lynching someone that conflicts with two, and more. I doubt you can say anything about that, now can you.
 
Based on the info that's been presented, I suspect that MagicMaster is Dubbelosix, and Blue_Light's claim is true.
This is becuase
1) MagicMaster would have <snip>'d out the part he didn't want people to see in his role PM if it was real. Everyone who has played at least a single mafia game knows to do that
2) He would have easy access to the PM that he "inspected" from blue_light
3) Why would you snip something out of a PM that proves that a enemy is mafia?
4) Blue_Tornado's claim looks legitimate, and is a horrible thing to claim if he really was dubbelosix (yes/ no question asker, and proper BG)

askaninjask didn't do a great job at first, and his reasoning was really bad (as veedrock pointed out) but I believe that we should continue to lynch MM87, as he failed to fake claim properly.

@MagicMaster87
telling the truth about what? both your stories match up, but you made a BS excuse about why you didn't include an item. Hell, askaninjask might be mafia for all we know, but you are more likely a mafia than he is.
 
But we have absolutely no reason to believe that askaninjask is telling the truth. Who's to say he's not lying about the numbers-man thing? I think we can all agree that askaninjask has been acting more suspiciously than I have, so there's no reason to take anything he says as truth. The only reason we have to lynch me is the word of someone who cannot prove himself and has nothing to go on except the words of others.

Based on the info that's been presented, I suspect that MagicMaster is Dubbelosix, and Blue_Light's claim is true.
This is becuase
1) MagicMaster would have <snip>'d out the part he didn't want people to see in his role PM if it was real. Everyone who has played at least a single mafia game knows to do that

What info could I possibly hide? I can't hide the item because that was a reason askaninjask suspects me. I can't hide the safeguard or numbers man claims because those are the two that are supposedly conflicting with other roles. And I can't hide the inspector role because then I have absolutely nothing to go on to start a lynch on Blue_Tornado.

2) He would have easy access to the PM that he "inspected" from blue_light

Notice that Blue_Tornado publicly claimed, and that his role is completely different from the one that I am claiming. There's no way this is possible.

3) Why would you snip something out of a PM that proves that a enemy is mafia?

Have you ever played mafia before? That snip most likely contains his teammates, which I obviously cannot inspect because that would make things way too easy for the village.

askaninjask didn't do a great job at first, and his reasoning was really bad (as veedrock pointed out) but I believe that we should continue to lynch MM87, as he failed to fake claim properly.

On the contrary, I think askaninjask actually did an amazing job. At getting me implicated, that is.

*EDIT*
I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that Blue_Tornado editted the item in his role PM. Actually, he editted it entirely; it was just a safeguard before with a Sword item, now it also has Yes/No asker with that Spatial Gem. Also, notice how generic his abilities are; neither of them have anything to do with the actual character that he claims. At least the role I claim and the role I claim that Blue_Tornado is actually apply to our characters only, rather than pretty much anything alive.

@MagicMaster87
telling the truth about what? both your stories match up, but you made a BS excuse about why you didn't include an item. Hell, askaninjask might be mafia for all we know, but you are more likely a mafia than he is.

BS excuse? How is not trusting askaninjask entirely a BS excuse? I don't believe the rules say that every player starts off with an item, so it is perfectly logical that I would try to hide something from someone I'm not 100% sure about. And as I said, as soon as he pointed it out, I gave it to him.
 
What info could I possibly hide? I can't hide the item because that was a reason askaninjask suspects me. I can't hide the safeguard or numbers man claims because those are the two that are supposedly conflicting with other roles. And I can't hide the inspector role because then I have absolutely nothing to go on to start a lynch on Blue_Tornado.

I was talking about how you hid the item when you claimed to him.

Notice that Blue_Tornado publicly claimed, and that his role is completely different from the one that I am claiming. There's no way this is possible.

I was implying* that you simply claimed inspection, and then, when asked for an inspection, pasted your role in, and threw blue_lights name in there.
*not really it was pretty obvious

Have you ever played mafia before? That snip most likely contains his teammates, which I obviously cannot inspect because that would make things way too easy for the village.

The snip is right where the item would be.

On the contrary, I think askaninjask actually did an amazing job. At getting me implicated, that is.
Yep.

*EDIT*
I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that Blue_Tornado editted the item in his role PM.

I think you are -.-
 
As ABT620 utters these words, a large Bass appears out of nowhere and swallows him whole. It seems that he was...God killed.

Eo Ut Mortus said:
Dear ABT620
You are Mundungus Fletcher.

Crookshanks.jpg


You are "supposedly" just a guy trying to make his living in the wizarding world who also happens to suffer from ethical issues. But really, it's fairly obvious that you're actually Crookshanks the cat; Rowlings didn't drop all those hints for nothing! You joined the Multiplex SuperCannons because they have a free catnip policy.

At night, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying "Night X- Meow <user1> to <user2>". You will assume your feline form and with your magical meow force <user1> to target <user2> with whatever night actions they were performing that night.

Alternatively, you may PM hailflameblast and Eo Ut Mortus saying "Night/Day X- Scrounge <user>'s dead body". <user> must be dead. You will make off with any items they had at the time of their death, if they had any at all. This cannot be stacked with your other ability.

You are holding the Ringed Target. Whoever holds it is a marked man and must take care to guard himself carefully.

You are allied with the Multiplex SuperCannons. You win if the Multiplex SuperCannons eliminate all unfriendly threats.
 
I was talking about how you hid the item when you claimed to him.

So you're telling me that you'd give your entire role PM to anyone who asked you for it simply because they ask for it?

I was implying* that you simply gave yourself a inspection role, then, upon inspecting blue_light, realized he was astarix. So you said that, instead of your inspection reasults being what he posted, he was YOUR role.
*not really it was pretty obvious

And why would I not claim his role, then? Why would I claim a completely different role than what I inspected? There's absolutely no reason for me to do that since it would only increase the chances that my claim could override with someone else's.

The snip is right where the item would be.

It's also where the teammates would be, so my point still stands.

I think you are -.-

Well, as I said in my edit, he originally did not have Yes/No asker in him PM, nor did he have the Spatial Gem, as it was originally a Sword that hooked whoever stole it for the following night. I can't post a screenshot unfortunately, since those are banned, so I'll just have to hope that someone else saw the original.
 
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And as requested:

15:33 askaninjask tbh i think they are both mafia
15:33 askaninjask there is damning evidence against both of them
15:33 askaninjask and since they're ratting each other out i guess they're opposite factions ?_?

It seems aska wants to lynch Blue_Tornado first, do what you will.
 
Check this out

Chat log said:
19:34 askaninjask hey game freak201
19:35 askaninjask i just want to let you know that i am pretty sure both mm87 AND b_t are mafia
19:35 askaninjask and if you could post what i've said in the thread
19:35 askaninjask as well as saying that i think BT may indeed be the better candidate for lynch
19:40 Game_Freak201 Hello aska
19:40 Game_Freak201 Just noticed you
19:40 Game_Freak201 talking to me
19:41 Game_Freak201 Either one is fine by me
19:41 askaninjask yeah
19:42 askaninjask our redirector just fucking killed himself
19:42 askaninjask so im not happy
19:43 askaninjask please post what i said
19:43 askaninjask now-ish please?
19:43 Game_Freak201 Okay
19:43 Game_Freak201 I'll post the whole log
 
Wow. wickdaggler and askaninjask seem so tightly wound together it is amazing. Also, I did not receive this PM which is supposedly a reason to lynch MM87. Blue_Tornado is acting incredibly suspicious, and although I didn't see the Role PM before it was supposedly edited, but TIK said he saw it, too. I'm still going to hold off on my lynch vote, but there are a few VERY suspicious people in this right now...

EDIT: Amake saw it, too, apparently. Things aren't looking very good for Blue_Tornado right now...
 
I too never received any pm stating why we should lynch mm87...

Well, whatever. Looks like we've got a couple of suspicious guys, and a dead redirector. And like assassinfred, I think I'll just refrain from voting again until this mess becomes clearer.
 
Alright, so I have two others backing me up about the item. This is almost undeniable proof that Blue_Tornado is mafia, as a villager has absolutely no reason to change their item after posting the PM. You could say that they're trying to hide the true item from the mafia, but guess what? That's what I said I was doing (hiding my item from aska, who I didn't and don't trust 100%), and it was called a "BS excuse". Doesn't work for me, doesn't work for anybody. And since Blue_Tornado is obviously mafia, the conflict between him and me both being safeguards is nullified.

Moving on, I just noticed that askaninjask claims that his mystery inspector has results as well. I find this extremely unlikely for the following reasons.

1.) If this other inspector, who is SO much more trustworthy than I am, inspected a mafian, then why did askaninjask try to have me lynched instead? Why not lynch the mafian? Since the inspector is SO much more trustworthy than me, then there's no reason NOT to lynch this mafian, is there? I mean, he IS so much trustworthy than I am. Right?

2.) If this inspector got a villager, why hasn't this villager tried to lead? Why did the inspector claim to askaninjask instead of the cleaned person? And you can't claim that the inspector targetted askaninjask, because he just happened to get kidnapped, making all attempts to clean him impossible until he returns.

Now, this leads me to two conclusions: either there is no other inspector, or askaninjask is lying about his/her results. I can't see any reason why any sane villager would ever do either of these two things to try to get the only inspector who has results lynched, which would make him either a mafian or dangerous neutral. If this is the case, then the conflict between askaninjask and I both being Numbers Man roles is also neutralized, as well as the fact that there is another inspector who is SO much more trustworthy than I am.

Wait a minute! This means that there isn't actually any reason to lynch me! What a twist!

Alternatively, askaninjask could actually be villy and just be doing a truly horrific job; he has asked to have three different people lynched in one day, after all, and is now suspect of being evil himself. But in that case, do you really want someone like that leading the village?
 
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