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Paradancing Tangrowth is awesome right now. I love how people bring in Moltres or Venusaur only to have them paralysed. After they are paralysed, Tangrowth can either sweep if Moltres is out of the way, or let something like Absol sweep (Absol is a beast with Paralysis support).

Protip: NP Raichu is broken. I got 3 5-0s in a row with it last time I used it. Grass Knots them grounds and Tbolts the rest. It sets up on so much stuff with encore, or you can destroy that Venu with some HP Ice. The Sub Punch set was pretty beast too, but not as amazing as NP.
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I think you're overhyping it a bit. The only thing you can safely Encore is probably Stealth Rock or Spikes, the rest will either take a huge hunk of HP off Raichu or give it status that it won't like. This is not to mention that there are faster Pokemon ready to come in and revenge it (Anything Mismagius and above). Although, Raichu is an underrated threat, and played correctly it is really good. I only wish Wynaut was UU again though, so Raichu could reach his full potential.
 
I would seriously, legitimately rather use NP Minun over NP Raichu. It trades off slightly more speed and SATK for the ability to Bpass its boosts to a teammate, which is way more valuable.
 
Oh look! I can put down the League of Legends for just a bit. I basically quit Pokemon for a while because UU wasn't much fun. I look forward to my triumphant return
 
HO has always been quite good in UU. Last round I rounded up a team of the most whored sweepers for a spin and it did quite well (Moltres/Kabutops/Torterra/Raikou with Duggy lead and Electrode as a Rhyperior check and late game cleaner). The loss of Frolass and Raikou is quite big, but is somewhat counter-balanced by Umbreon leaving.

On another note, giving paralysis support to slow bulky sweepers is a tactic I'm not seeing too much of on ladder. Have a good defensive core spreading paralysis (Something like Slowbro and Clefable or something like that), then bring your slower sweepers in for a spin, and they turn out really good. If anyone thought Absol was beastly normally, try facing him when you're paralysed. Same goes for Moltres as well.
 
shrang said:
On another note, giving paralysis support to slow bulky sweepers is a tactic I'm not seeing too much of on ladder. Have a good defensive core spreading paralysis (Something like Slowbro and Clefable or something like that), then bring your slower sweepers in for a spin, and they turn out really good. If anyone thought Absol was beastly normally, try facing him when you're paralysed. Same goes for Moltres as well.
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Used this tactic to great success with su(b)perior, who IMO is the one who gains the most benefit from said support. With the opponents team para'd, chuck up a sub, SD (dont need megahorn now that umbreons gone), and sweep with the coverage afforded by QuakEdge.
 
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Used this tactic to great success with su(b)perior, who IMO is the one who gains the most benefit from said support. With the opponents team para'd, chuck up a sub, SD (dont need megahorn now that umbreons gone), and sweep with the coverage afforded by QuakEdge.
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Megahorn was never for Umbreon, it takes enough from EQ already. It's for stuff like Tangrowth, Claydol, and Torterra.

And it's funny how now everyone's raving about HO. Wasn't stall being bashed just a few pages ago or something? >_>
 
wtf does heavy offense mean? torterra rhyperior hariyama regirock milotic? they all take like base 100+ from gk/lk what else is heavy...steelix?
 
shrang said:
HO has always been quite good in UU. Last round I rounded up a team of the most whored sweepers for a spin and it did quite well (Moltres/Kabutops/Torterra/Raikou with Duggy lead and Electrode as a Rhyperior check and late game cleaner). The loss of Frolass and Raikou is quite big, but is somewhat counter-balanced by Umbreon leaving.

On another note, giving paralysis support to slow bulky sweepers is a tactic I'm not seeing too much of on ladder. Have a good defensive core spreading paralysis (Something like Slowbro and Clefable or something like that), then bring your slower sweepers in for a spin, and they turn out really good. If anyone thought Absol was beastly normally, try facing him when you're paralysed. Same goes for Moltres as well.
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Heavy Offense doesn't have time to spread status, it needs to get their screens up, get the sweeper in, and then go for the boost, and sweep. Never let up pressure. Also in HO teams all sweepers are either physical or special btw. Having a defensive core means your team is no longer HO. Of course, my Absol would appreciate the paralysis as she can kill anything, but she has Sucker Punch to do all the things she need. Which reminds me of many idiotic people I face trying to attack Absol when she's clearly going to use Sucker Punch and they do not resist it even. It's like ASKING to get swept.

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Smurf, HO teams NEVER carry choice items. They all carry LO and one Light Clay.

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Heavy Offense means a team focusing on quickly defeating the opponent, usually a team with hard hittting and fast Pokemon, in OU, Infernape is a good example. In UU, Swellow is a wonderful one. Too bad about physical HP but.. yeah.
 
I wasn't saying HO should spread status. I was talking about something completely different, lol.
 
Saying HO always has a certain specific item makeup is just useless and silly overclassification. A fast Scarfer, for example, is extremely useful - Primeape, for example, can outrun and KO/heavily damage a +2 Torterra or Rain Sweeper that might otherwise rampage through your team. It would also be implying that my team, which uses Specs Milotic simply because everything else takes like 50% from Fake Out is not heavily offensive. Also my Swellow has a Flame Orb lol pedantry.
 
HO teams NEVER carry choice items. They all carry LO and one Light Clay.
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I have to say i disagree with this, HO isnt simply restricted to LO sweepers, nor is it a necessity to have a Dual Screen strategy. The principle behind it is to ease prediction, and thats where choice items prove their usefulness. CB scyther's U-turn ensures that i'm never stuck with a disadvantageous matchup. CB also allows sweepers to hit F**king hard, dealing the most amount of damage output possible. Getting locked into a move isn't really a problem if you build a HO with good offensive synergy.
 
Choiced Pokemon in HO are either: i) Late game cleaners, in the case OU, SpecsJolt is probably one the best examples. Specs Manectric can fulfill a similar role in UU, I guess. The other type would be stuff like CB Scyther or CB Scizor who just U-Turn to soften up counters.
 
linking a sprinkles thread as a credential usually doesn't get you very far
been using old teams ripped from the rmt forum and some from other periods...there's not as large an impact as i thought with the removal of froslass and raikou. there's a lot less stall though
 
I give up. You won't get it, just stick to your balanced / stall / whatever it'll be team and I'll stick to my HO.
It's not an opinion BTW, it's a FACT.
 
What was Wynaut like in UU anyway? Over-centralizing?
(Did it receive any tests?)

I would seriously, legitimately rather use NP Minun over NP Raichu. It trades off slightly more speed and SATK for the ability to Bpass its boosts to a teammate, which is way more valuable.
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A valid point. But why would you use Minun over something like Ambipom who is faster, bulkier and stronger (taking in STAB techni swift into account)


Edit: Almost forgot. I use a lot of New and creative movesets, and not to sound like a bandwagoner but his paradancing Tangrowth is a total monster. Unlike sunny day, this set can function all on it's lonesome to devastate teams. I only used it for a bit but it tore down teams.
 
PK Gaming said:
What was Wynaut like in UU anyway? Over-centralizing?
(Did it receive any tests?)
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I think it was banned almost immediately. Like a few days/weeks into the old UU/BL merger iirc. Only thing i can remember is how people were like "its too easy to set up sweepers ubar hax aaaaa" though i didn't really play UU back then so idk much about why it was actually banned.
 
lol 2 whole test threadss later and we still have retards attempting to define made up terms that hold about as much relevency to the topic at hand as this post.

good thing i have my own column on smog to complain about these kind of things!

ps scyther is NOT heavy. that shit is only 123 pounds. whats that like 60 base power for low kick?
 
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