Not really, no. Moltres still fucks offense up and Milotic is tough to beat on defensive teams I guess, but nothing really stands out as broken.
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Not really, no. Moltres still fucks offense up and Milotic is tough to beat on defensive teams I guess, but nothing really stands out as broken.
Doesn't Bibarel get owned by Cradily's Seed Bomb? And I doubt it'll be doing all that much damage with Waterfall.
And double Powder Eggy actually sounds nice, especially if you pair it with something like Sub Rhyperior (which is extra nice because Eggy resists Fighting, Grass, Water, Ground moves. Of course Eggy's whooping 7 weaknesses added to Rhyperior's 6 weaknesses are gonna require some team support; especially against Ice moves).
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I agree!! this has been the most fun metagame lately... i can actually run DIFFERENT teams without having to go with an absolute two counter for a certain suspect..and i love seeing the different team styles going on..lol i wonder who's team is gonna be on The Smog #9 and how many ppl are going to copy that style?
That's because my teams rape all of bluewinds teams ;)
Just glancing over a filler move for the 4th move on a CB Rhyperior and Rock Wrecker apparently OHKOs Milotic with SR up. Obviously Rock Wrecker is a horrible move, but it might work (that's a theorymon MIGHT)against stall where there isnt something extremely dangerous to set up on you. Also makes you wish that Rhyperior had Head Smash....
Dude, Bibarel's defenses are awful...your opponent might as well already have a DD or something under its belt by the time he gets in. And Cradily's super effective STAB Seed Bombs will still do a lot to his dumb beaver ass, especially without recovery. Bibarel is irredeemable, even with its awesome abilities. :/
Also, I have yet to try this "new UU", but I have a feeling that my teambuilding options just got a lot wider not having to worry about Spikes and Raikou being on everyone's team.
I totally trolled you guys with that NP Raichu hehe. I use stall. It is basically ShinyAzelf's team with Omastar over Cloyster as well as a few EV and move differences. No spinner is occasionally annoying against stallish teams but there is so much offense on the ladder that it hasn't been a big issue yet, especially when you consider how spin-proof the team itself is.
I also wish I had a better answer to SD Venusaur than simply roaring it out with my Venu...that shit is painful! It is unfortunate the some of the better SD Venu counters are Stealth Rock weak...however being SR weak and flying is sometimes better than being grounded and neutral. My team currently has no rock weaks, so I don't really welcome the idea of using Arcanine, Moltres, or Jumpluff. Any Grass type counters SD Venusaur I suppose...but all others can't really counter any other set. I hate how Leafeon and Tangrowth are so specially frail and weak to poison. Torterra doesn't really seem that interesting either, as that 4x Ice weakness is quite offputting, and it can't annoy your opponent by bluffing sleep powder either. Seems like Venusaur is unfortunately the best choice when there isn't room for a full Fire/Water/Grass core.
Anyone have any excellent lead ideas? Omastar is the clear choice for me right now but what else seems promising?
I have seen a fair bit of Cacturne. It beats Cloyster and Omastar but basically loses to everything else...
I also wish I had a better answer to SD Venusaur than simply roaring it out with my Venu...that shit is painful! It is unfortunate the some of the better SD Venu counters are Stealth Rock weak...however being SR weak and flying is sometimes better than being grounded and neutral. My team currently has no rock weaks, so I don't really welcome the idea of using Arcanine, Moltres, or Jumpluff. Any Grass type counters SD Venusaur I suppose...but all others can't really counter any other set. I hate how Leafeon and Tangrowth are so specially frail and weak to poison. Torterra doesn't really seem that interesting either, as that 4x Ice weakness is quite offputting, and it can't annoy your opponent by bluffing sleep powder either. Seems like Venusaur is unfortunately the best choice when there isn't room for a full Fire/Water/Grass core.
Anyone have any excellent lead ideas? Omastar is the clear choice for me right now but what else seems promising?
I have seen a fair bit of Cacturne. It beats Cloyster and Omastar but basically loses to everything else...
I knew it.
Moltres is still an AWESOME lead kicking the crap out of most of the UU leads.
weezing is a pretty good venusaur counter that isn't weak to rock. you'll have to watch out for those specially-oriented ones because its attacks can sting quite a bit even when resisted because of weezing's subpar special defense.
also i'd like to point out that while it was a little entertaining imagining people believing your bit about np raichu, it's not very cool to "troll" people in a thread that's basically all about sharing experiences.
tbh np / encore / tbolt / hp ice raichu doesn't seem all that bad especially now that raikou's gone; base 100 speed + 2-stage boosting move along with good stab attack and coverage basically guarantees that.
also i'd like to point out that while it was a little entertaining imagining people believing your bit about np raichu, it's not very cool to "troll" people in a thread that's basically all about sharing experiences.
tbh np / encore / tbolt / hp ice raichu doesn't seem all that bad especially now that raikou's gone; base 100 speed + 2-stage boosting move along with good stab attack and coverage basically guarantees that.
A boosting Encore user that absolutely wrecks teams is Calm mind Alakazam. I love this thing. It's funny how people think Haze Milo can check Alakazam, when I end up just setting up on it or getting free hits. I swear the only counter to this is Spiritomb. (and Steel-types since I lack FB, but my team members handle that)
whistle responded to this but I thought I really should as a mod of this subforum as well - I will totally hit future "trolls" with "trolling infractions" hehe.
Hmm why wouldn't you use Focus Blast? Encore/ CM/ Psychic/ Focus Blast seems like a fine moveset to me....as even if this is totally walled by Spiritomb, Signal Beam does jack shit to it anyway..
Anyone using NP Raichu should also consider NP Ninetales. Ninetales actually has some bulk (Especially on the Special side), and an immunity to switch into. Hypnosis (If you don't mind the accuracy all that much) is arguably better than Encore as a setup tool, since you don't need to Encore specific moves. Raichu is more powerful than Ninetales, I guess, but Ninetales does have more setup opportunities.
Never undermine Signal Beams' confusion hax, it has let me beat quite a few things (including Spiritomb xD).
The only reason I'd use Focus Blast is for Steelix or Registeel. Like I said my team handles them already. If I had a few Pokemon walled by these I'd use FB, but I like Signal Beam. I also don't like being walled by Psychics. A Zam losing to Uxie or Slowbro is embarrassing.
I once used NP Ninetales and decimated a Uber team with just Ninetales and Absol.
I still use Ninetales in NU matches sometimes. Flamethrower / Energy Ball / HP Rock / NP is the set I use.
I still use Ninetales in NU matches sometimes. Flamethrower / Energy Ball / HP Rock / NP is the set I use.
Last I checked, Alakazam was one of the hardest Pokemon to counter in the tier, considering that its counters aren't even reliable depending on the set. The only 100% counter would be a Specially Defensive CBTomb.
I've used NP Ninetails too, and let me tell you I often find that I much prefer HP Rock>>>Hypnosis.
It's shaky accuracy is a let down, and with a mvoeset of:
Fire Blast / Nasty plot / Hypnosis / Energy Ball
you'll be walled by fire types. (especially the flash fire users)
2 cents on the situation anyway.
Edit: There are 2 types of NP Raichu's that I mainly use. The all out sweeper kind that forgoes encore for awesome coverage (Nasty plot / T-bolt/ Focus Blast / HP ice) and the encore varients (over Focus Blast)
the latter set is a lot more powerful, but the former set has difficulty setting up. I prefer to latter set due to the ability to beat Registeel, but setting up with Encore isn't too bad.
Edit 2: CM Encore Zam is pretty damn powerful. He's a lot more dangerous than the other 2, and if you lack a spiritomb (pretty rare these days) and a steel type, your forked. I've faced Thund's Alakazam a few times and it absolute destroyed me.
It's shaky accuracy is a let down, and with a mvoeset of:
Fire Blast / Nasty plot / Hypnosis / Energy Ball
you'll be walled by fire types. (especially the flash fire users)
2 cents on the situation anyway.
Edit: There are 2 types of NP Raichu's that I mainly use. The all out sweeper kind that forgoes encore for awesome coverage (Nasty plot / T-bolt/ Focus Blast / HP ice) and the encore varients (over Focus Blast)
the latter set is a lot more powerful, but the former set has difficulty setting up. I prefer to latter set due to the ability to beat Registeel, but setting up with Encore isn't too bad.
Edit 2: CM Encore Zam is pretty damn powerful. He's a lot more dangerous than the other 2, and if you lack a spiritomb (pretty rare these days) and a steel type, your forked. I've faced Thund's Alakazam a few times and it absolute destroyed me.
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That's because the most broken pokémon have already been kicked out last rounds (especially last round), claims say that this is the most balanced UU metagame as ofa long time.
By now we should all really know that Thunderbolt is probably the most deadly STAB move because of the nature of this metagame to be full of bulky Waters. Raikou was just the only electric that doesn't suck.....
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don't need hypnosis to set up if you cause something the switch out. much rather go with coverage
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