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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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Technically, making Pinsir's evo a Ground-Bug would be amazing. With moldbreaker, not a single levitator would be safe. Just EQ what ever has levitate and down it goes. Pokemon with any other "defensive" abilities are also negated and taken out.
An ability that let's you choose if it activates should only be situational instead of based on choice, that way it makes more sense (it'd be broken otherwise).
An ability that let's you choose if it activates should only be situational instead of based on choice, that way it makes more sense (it'd be broken otherwise).
I'd like to see two pokemon evolve into the same one each with different moves to learn. That way, you could gave two very different movepools in the final evo but the same typing and stats.
Like a pure Bug or pure Ground both evolving into a Bug/Ground but that makes you choose between, say, Bug Buzz and Earth Power or something.
Like a pure Bug or pure Ground both evolving into a Bug/Ground but that makes you choose between, say, Bug Buzz and Earth Power or something.
A defensive Pinsir would be a bad idea... unless they strafe away from the BST he and Heracross, Scyther, and Scizor all share (500). I think something like 75 HP / 120 Atk / 90 Def / 40 SpA / 80 SpD / 95 Spe would work well as a sweeper. It would be able to outspeed things like Rotom-A and offensive Suicune, then OHKO each after a SD with Earthquake. On a Scarf set it could reach 475 speed. The weaknesses to fire, ice, and water aren't that big of a deal because most bulky waters can cover those types, and they would appreciate the ability for this mon to get Celebi out of the way. What Pinsir could really use is a move involving his two horns that is exclusive, similar to Heracross + Megahorn back in Gen II.
You're aware Pinsir's base stats are already 65/125/100/55/70/85, right? I was thinking something more along the lines of 5 or 10 more points added to all stats except Speed, which would get a 20- or 25-point boost instead.
Not that I want to be a jerk or anything, since I agree with most everything else you've said. Pinsir could use its own signature move, even if it is a palette-swapped ViceGrip.
Yes, I realize that... Scyther and Scizor have the same BST, along with Heracross and Pinsir. I came to the (relatively obvious) conclusion that Pinsir would retain the same BST but also gain a type + shuffle of stats (like Scyther --> Scizor). What's your point?
The only reason Scyther and Scizor happen to have the same BST is because of the type change that Scyther got after evolving. GF didn't think that a 105 Speed stat Steel type would have made too much sense (I think this is a safe assumption considering none of the new Steel types had a base Speed stat over 70 when it was first introduced), so they pretty much dumped it into Attack/Defence. If Scyther had gotten an actual evolution, I bet you anything that the base BST would have risen. Considering that Pinser is most likely not going to evolve through Metal Coat, I can also bet you that the BST will rise as well (If he even gets one, that is).
My point was just that just because they started with the same BST doesn't mean they need to end with it. Indeed, to leave Pinsir at 500 BST seems like a mistake; Bug/Ground is decent typing, but needs a lot more speed behind it, and I'd hate to see Pinsir's ability to take a hit or two get compromised.
They could just invent an item for Pinsir to evolve with. Personally, if you swapped his defense with his speed and added a good second type like Ground, it's solve all of Pinsir's problems.
Trouble is, if you give Pinsir.2 a secondary typing, there are no fully evolved pure Bug types (discounting Kricketune, and Volbeat/Illumise). I would rather they just gave it better moves and removed Stealth Rock (I won't go into THAT discussion again). Megahorn would be a nice start.
I dont see the problem with Pinsir not being a fully evolved bug type. We've got others, as you mentioned, so whats the problem? The only other Ground/Bug Pokemon is rather terrible and many other bug Pokemon not named Scizor/Scyther/Forretress/Heracross require a whole lot of support to use or are ineffective because they are crippled by Stealth Rock. Not that Pinsir is ineffective right now - because he has Stealth Rock he's able to be used as a lead and Mold Breaker gives good reason to use him as is. He just needs a little more oomph.
Actually, the only dragonflies in Pokemon are Yanma and Yanmega. Trapinch, Vibrava, and Flygon are based on the antlion (also known as the doodlebug).
Trapinch is based on the larval form of the antlion. It's a bug that digs a pit in the sand and waits at the bottom of it underneath the sand, with only its jaws exposed. When an insect falls in, it flicks sand at it to knock it down, then drags it underground and eats it.
Once it's eaten enough, it turns into a pupa for a time, then emerges as an insect that looks a lot like a dragonfly, but with a flexible tail. It uses that tail to mate...OK, let's just leave it at that. Point is, they look similar to dragonflies, but they're completely unrelated. Also, they don't eat as adults, so they usually die after a few weeks...poor Flygon!
Sorry if I seem like I'm being a know-it-all. Antlions are just some of my favorite animals. Personally, if we get another bug type, I'd like it to be a dragonfly line that actually makes sense. GameFreak doesn't seem to know it, but dragonflies actually start out life living in the water, where they hunt fish and tadpoles. A Yanma prevo with a branching evolution, perhaps?
See those mouthparts on the front of his head? Yeah, those actually extend and pierce things like harpoons. Think about that and tell me that wouldn't make an awesome Pokemon.
Bug in general is just a seriously underdone type. I don't get why GameFreak appears to have run out of ideas for new arthropod-based Pokemon. They've made like three moths, and I'm still waiting for cockroaches, sowbugs, ants, and most of all, centipedes. Oh, and a spider line that isn't an embarrassment to its own species.
On the subject of Pinsir evolving, I've always wanted it to evolve into a Bug/Ground like a lot of people are suggesting. How about something like this for base stats? (sweeper-based, mind you)
65/125/85/50/70/105
Basically I swapped Pinsir's Def and Spe and took 5 SpA and gave it to Spe. I think it would turn out to be a very usable pokemon.
65/125/85/50/70/105
Basically I swapped Pinsir's Def and Spe and took 5 SpA and gave it to Spe. I think it would turn out to be a very usable pokemon.
If that's the case, you definitely won't want to look at this picture.
Flygon. 'Cause he's fly and he gets it on.
Yeah, I've got a serious craving for new Pokemon as well. Doesn't Pokemon Sunday air today? I always forget if Japan is twelve hours ahead or twelve hours behind...
Usable? That thing would be insane! STAB Earthquake + STAB X Scissor + Electric Immunity + Mold Breaker to hit Levitators + 105 Speed + Swords Dance = Awesome.
That was horrible, but after your little spiel, I can't help but forgive you. Yanma prevo would be wonderful.
And I don't think we're itching for new Pokemon, we're just itching for this game to come out already. Or to be bombarded with so much new information our heads will explode. Otherwise, our appetites will be insatiable.
A bug-type priority attack would be pretty cool. Certain bugs (insects, but bugs in the pokemon world) like cockroaches stand up on two legs to move faster. Pokemon like a Pinsir evo would obtain it (since ground dwellers like ants use all of their legs underground but sometimes walk on two legs when carrying things). They could also make a bug priority based on winged insects (because insect wings are able to move faster than what should be possible) and give it to Heracross, Scizor, and pretty much every bug-type out there.
I think it would be best if that ability always happened but the Pokemon had a secondary ability. That would make the "choice" become if you didn't want that effect to happen, you just would just choose the other ability. Either way, I think that would be insanely broken.
A Bug/Ground Pinsir would be great and we'd finally get a Pokemon that can properly abuse Mold Breaker. I think Jokey665 has shown that it doesn't need any higher than 500 BST to be good and I think it would still be OU if it only swapped its Def and Spe.
Agility Heracross would be nice, but I don't think it would be broken or even its most used set. Remember, if you run Flare Orb to get the Guts boost, you can't run Life Orb with it so it wouldn't necesarily be as powerful as something like DD Gyarados. Also, Agility isn't even used on Lucario even though they have similar movepools.
Also, I had an idea for a move recently. It would have +1 priority and 80 Base Power (or 60 if 80 would be too broken) but make it so your opponent's move would always hit, if it was used after this move. So basically, it turns your opponent's move into Vital Throw.
"Insect wings can move faster than what should be possible?" I always thought that the impossibility was how they lift insects like bees off the ground, when they technically shouldn't be able to. Anyway, I thought that theory was disproved because it was found bees don't engage in fixed-wing flight.
Regardless, insect wings do move really, really fast (compared to the wings of birds or bats or what have you) so I guess you could justify it with that. I was going to say something about Scizor getting another priority move too, but then I realized that most of Scizor's checks and counters (Magnezone, Zapdos, Heatran, Rotom-H, etc.) laugh at bug moves, so it might not change that much.
I think it's ironic that we're all talking about the possibility of new Bug Pokemon and moves...from what we've seen so far, the land of Isshu looks heavily urban, so Bug Pokemon might get completely shafted (similar to Fire Pokemon in Sinnoh, since that land had no fire-related places to speak of until you beat the Elite Four). Yeah, some species of bugs thrive in cities, but I don't think GameFreak sees it that way. They always put their bugs in forests and jungles.
Edit - @blasphemy1: Ah I see now. That's interesting...I wonder how they even do that?
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From Wikipedia, and it has a source. But yeah, bugs might get screwed :(
Give it to a Bug/Flying pokemon.
I like the idea for a priority move like that. It would have to be a type other than Normal to set itself apart from Extremespeed. Maybe Fighting? I could see some slow types getting an ability which leaves themselves open like that. Rock and Steel could pull it off, considering they're physically powerful yet slow.
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In other words, they move really, really fast.
Yeah I was just clarifying the part where he is talking about the "bee misconception."
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