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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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Well, at least for me, it's perfectly fine to say it's possible, but at the same time... It's still about as random to do as, say, make the games for an adult demographic despite its success with kids and teenagers.
It's just one of those things that you know has a chance of happening but at the same time... There's nothing really "leading to" said event even happening in the first place.
I just hope the in-game story is a bit different, you know, so that the choice is not whether they prefer reshiram or zekrom or the version exclusives, but rather something like laying the good guy or the bad guy (hopefully more complex than rs where you simply see two teams fighting each other....they practically ignore you!)
Looking at the two legendaries, I noticed that Zekrom(I think taht's teh white thing) has no hands, but has whit wings were its hands would be. On the other hand, Reshirom has wings, but they're fairly inconsequential compared to its arms. I'm getting the impression that we're going to have something along the likes of good and evil(hence, black and white, the colours used by naive people to describe others, as they do not realize that everyone are actually shades of grey)(remember, GF is aiming at children, so its possible that they're taking advantage of their understanding).
Also, the wings on Zekrom seem to give a vague reference to angels(though the spines on the wings do throw me off a little)(and by extension, heaven), while Reshirom vaguely seems to represent hell, due to its red eyes, and coal-black surface.
Note I'm not referring to a Pokemon Heaven or hell, but I'm just showing some vague references in the artwork.
Then, the hypothetical 3rd version. Its likely to be called Grey/Gray(however they spell it where you live), as a nod to us older fans who realize that everyone are just in shades of grey/gray, adn there is no true "completely good" or "completely evil". Just my interpretation of the names anyway.
My 2 cents.
Also, the wings on Zekrom seem to give a vague reference to angels(though the spines on the wings do throw me off a little)(and by extension, heaven), while Reshirom vaguely seems to represent hell, due to its red eyes, and coal-black surface.
Note I'm not referring to a Pokemon Heaven or hell, but I'm just showing some vague references in the artwork.
Then, the hypothetical 3rd version. Its likely to be called Grey/Gray(however they spell it where you live), as a nod to us older fans who realize that everyone are just in shades of grey/gray, adn there is no true "completely good" or "completely evil". Just my interpretation of the names anyway.
My 2 cents.
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there was nothing really "leading to" natures, abilities, or the attack split either. they make sense, (Pokemon having different personalities, traits a Pokemon has outside of typing and moves, fire punch would obviously use the attack stat, etc.) but there was no previous requirement that called for them to be included. it was just a new system to keep things fresh. a new type, regardless of what it actually ends up being, (for the record, I do think "Light" makes the most sense) would also keep things fresh, but to a reasonable extent. it's something that I think would be a good balance to the major changes we saw in the last two gens. do we need it? no, but there certainly isn't a downside to getting it, and it defiantly isn't as big of a problem as people make it out to be.
tl;dr version: a new type is absolutely possible (and, dare I say, likely), whether you like it or not. gameplay changes are inevitable, but I honestly can't think of anything that could be changed to the battle system or stat system that won't override the already present system; a new type easily accommodates this by providing a noticeable change, while retaining the system we already have in place. if you want to point out a problem with that, go ahead, because I certainly can't.
Honest to god, I can't believe the physical/special split took until Gen 4 to implement. At least during Gen 1 and 2 I was completely oblivious to the finer points of the game. Now that I'm alot older, I can hardly play Emerald. The lack of the split is just so distracting, so inconvenient.
It's mainly a problem because it'll change around the type chart, which is obviously a change people do not want.
You may argue, yes, that the Physical/Special split was a huge change, and also that natures and even revising the DVs/IVs system were all big changes, but here's my main point: Since Gen. 2, the game has went without this Light/Good/Holy/Whatever type people thought was going to be a counterpart to Dark/Evil/Aku.
By that basis, I find it quite strange that Light's the one that sticks out like a sore thumb to things like "Wind" and "Sound" being speculated. Why Light of all concepts is the one getting the most speculation and opinions, is it just because of Dark, or is it that we just don't have a lot of "heroism" being speculated.
Now, my main point revolves around its inclusion, which you said isn't too big a problem. What I believe would happen is two things: A) Multiple pokémon's typings will change (Unlike from Gen. 1 --> Gen. 2, Magnemite's line was the only one with a change. Think if things like Cresselia, Lucario, Togekiss, and many others had to get their typings change. It isn't like the Physical/Special split where moves simply work on different attacks, it's Pokémon having their typings changed by an inclusion of one type. And it wouldn't be a small pool, trust me, it'll still be bigger than the percentage of Magnemite's line/251%), B) Moves' types will have to change (Which, tbh, wouldn't be too bad, though the moves that'll be changed to Light will be few, and said moves off the top of my head aren't even that popular, save Aura Sphere), and C) The type chart (As people argued, it sounds decent on paper, though there's no way to test it).
Now, my main gripe is still, throughout all these generations, why now do we still argue about Light? In the beginning, there was (And this is just a certain sector of the fandom telling me this, not sure if this applies to all) the thing that Espeon was a good, a "Light" pokémon because of it being blessed by the Sun, while Umbreon was tainted by the darkness and the Moon, making it an evil Dark type. There was discussion in 3rd gen, where Jirachi was "supposedly" heralded as almost being a Light type. And even recently in the old Gen. 4, where, from the amount of legendaries, many people guessed we were going to get a Light type, but we did not.
Out of all this, I'm personally miffed by the amount of support the Light type gets, as if it were some weird mantra that simply can't die down. Yes, I do not wish for it to happen, but from the arguments for it, I still find it a pretty ridiculous ideal, and if it does or does not happen, I'll remain neutral to its inclusion/exclusion from the series. It's just a strange topic that, whenever it comes up, continues to rile me up.
Long story short, I do agree with your arguments and what you've brought up, but at the same time, I'll still lean to the Light type not being included, but find it still possible to happen.
I actually giggled when it did occur. For the longest, I never understood why biting or punching something for some reason counted as a "special" attack, while throwing a ball made up of shadow-y energy counted as a physical move. Was always odd in my opinion before Gen. 4.
I couldnt have nailed it better.
GF had 2 Generations to add another type but they didnt.
And by some miracle if they do add a new type, what makes people so sure that it will be a counterpart to the Dark type?
That'd actually be a crowning moment of GF trolling the fandom. I could totally see an announcement for (For example's sake) a Rainbow type, just for the fandom to erupt in opinionated hate. That, would be both funny and a tad annoying to see.
Nah they won't add any new type (guessing). Yet, if they did they could just give a name to the "???" type.
Unless someone can tell me what is the "???" type, maybe i'm missing something and it's not a secret like i think? I'll see the answer later, going to sleep, see you in 50 pages or something when i come back =P
Unless someone can tell me what is the "???" type, maybe i'm missing something and it's not a secret like i think? I'll see the answer later, going to sleep, see you in 50 pages or something when i come back =P
What I've assumed for a long while (And I could be wrong), ??? is supposed to be a placeholder type, as in it's supposed to be typeless. Struggle, Curse, and _I think_ Hidden Power all fit within ??? (The latter I believe only occurs in-game with certain IV vaules, or just occurs in-game to prevent it from crashing.)
Really, ??? is the type for the game to go to when there isn't a "set" type for the game to go through on its priority list. Example is with a pure-Flying type using Roost. Since, when you remove Flying away from it, you get nothing, the game sets the pokémon's type as ???, so it doesn't crash.
This is all conjecture from me, and if someone wants to correct me and tell me the actual origin, I'll be grateful for the quick "The More You Know" segment.
This is just what I feel.
In hg/ss you can pal park an unlimited amount of times per day.
The ideas I've been hearing for a long while have been Flash, Aurora Beam, the Screen techniques, and possibly Mist Ball and Luster Purge.
As said before, the problem is its context in general. In Japan, Dark isn't "dark" or evil, it's "Aku", applying to dirty tactics. In the game series, there isn't really an "evil" type at all, just that certain pokémon were calling cards for villiany (In Gen. 1 we had Posion types, while now, we have Poison, Dark, and all sorts of all types.)
Yes, I agree that there should be a counterpart to such a concept as evil, but that doesn't mean it would be in the type chart in general. What I mean is, while there is a concept of "evil", it doesn't apply to Dark completely, just in itself. "Light" is generally applied to Fighting and Psychic, where both typings are often used as calling cards for "good".
Really, the main counterpart to our "Dark type" is "Fighting type" in general, because of reasons I've explained in an earlier post. A "Light type", by the current definition trend I'm seeing, appears to be desiring one of good, which isn't a counterpart to anything on the type chart, since, as I've tried to explain, "evil" isn't on the type chart, just its calling cards, Poison, Dark, and any other type(s) I've missed.
Grass and Psychic are essentially "Light". So is Electric. Possibly Fighting. Grass/Electric use natural light in their moves, while Psychic and Fighting are the "good/light powers" that destroy evil (Dark and Posion types).
Adding Light type would be like adding a Wood type or a Magnesium type: being too specific.
Adding Light type would be like adding a Wood type or a Magnesium type: being too specific.
So 'Ice' or 'Rock', even 'Steel', aren't specific?
all very good points! I'm glad someone gave some good reasons, I was starting to get worried! I say we agree to disagree, because we both seem to be set on our views of this, and this will just end up going in circles if it continues.
Steel, like Bug, are one of the few strange types I see in the game. While I believe Baztard was applying both the concept and the literal term for light in his explanation, I believe what you said, Wichu, aren't that specific at all, really.
Ice seems to fit its elemental archetype, as well as the concept of cold. Rock seems to fit, in a sense, half of the "Earth" or "nature" archetype in RPGs (Which Grass is the other half), and also has it literal meaning, things that deal with rocks.
Now Bug and Steel are just plain strange. While I believe Bug was included because of Pokémon's origins in bug catching (And honestly, from how this game's types are set up, I really can't think too well of what most bugs would be placed in without thinking of simply Poison or Grass, and even then... It just doesn't seem "right" without the Bug typing, looking back on it). Really, I believe Bug's concept is rather strange, yet at the same time, it fits pretty well in its own way. Psychics cannot deal with the abundant hivemind of bugs, bugs are dispatched by rocks, and I suppose bugs do throw off cheaters' plans when they don't specifically take them into account.
Then there's Steel, which, well, I thought it applied to mechanical means, really. It isn't really "specific", as technology isn't exactly a fully-limited subject. A (I'm taking Baztard's example for reference) Magnesium type would simply have a rather limited scope of what could be applied to it. You could argue and give supporting facts about it, but I really don't believe it would actually serve well in this children's RPG game where they're just learning about elemental affinities in other games, and a type that's one element in Science would probably confuse them.
Really Wichu, the types you've listed, from my perspective, are just not that specific, they're quite reasonable types that do work well in the series, from what I've seen, and the opinions I've gathered.
I agree we should do just that. It's actually been quite a while that I've found someone that actually understands my point of view, and a person that does gather quite the view rolled into one.
Instead of new Eevee evolutions (bound to be two or three), it would be interesting to see the current Eevee evolutions evolve again. This allows a balancing of Eevee evolutions because we all know that some are better than others overall. For example we can make Flareon's evolution have Flare Blitz.
I wouldn't go that route, as a few people before me have said in the past. ChouToshio made an interesting point that I overlooked that, for some reason, Jolteon is the only eeveelution with a kicking move, Double Kick.
Honestly, if something like that would ever happen, I'd vote for Flareon or its evolution to get Blaze Kick, which I think is a fairer move than something like Flare Blitz which, with its low HP, would 2HKO itself.
My personal view on the Eevee evolving twice, really comes from: A) The stone evolution pokémon never evolved after a stone was applied. This applies to such things like Arcanine and Delcatty, who seem "permanently" stuck at the level they're evolved on, and I don't believe there will ever be an evolution for such pokémon (Which includes the first eeveelution trio.)
B) would be the fact that, even then, if the eeveelutions that do not need a stone evolve, it wouldn't be fair for the original trio.
I honestly believe that, to avoid a huge problem, the eeveelutions shouldn't evolve, though of course to avoid any large messes, Game Freak may do what they wish, I'm just providing evidence against such an event happening from the current trends of evolutionary families.
News on Serebii is that Zekrom's second type is...Electric.
HOWEVER THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED. ITS A RUMOUR. Read Serebii for the full news. Frankly, I think its fake myself. Zekrom doesn't look Electric at all. Even if it is a new combination. I'd prefer Dark/Dragon myself.
To be honest, I could see a Light type as being an 'aggressive defensive' type. Basically, its moves would be focused around Stat-boost moves that work good like how Charge Beam or Ancientpower works. Perhaps for example, 'Smite'. Light-Type Ember or Bubble combined with Swords Dance. Something along that line
HOWEVER THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED. ITS A RUMOUR. Read Serebii for the full news. Frankly, I think its fake myself. Zekrom doesn't look Electric at all. Even if it is a new combination. I'd prefer Dark/Dragon myself.
To be honest, I could see a Light type as being an 'aggressive defensive' type. Basically, its moves would be focused around Stat-boost moves that work good like how Charge Beam or Ancientpower works. Perhaps for example, 'Smite'. Light-Type Ember or Bubble combined with Swords Dance. Something along that line
Shouko's always been madly in love with Electric types ever since she got to squeal "Pichu pichu" as a verbal tic, huh? ;p
Really, if Shouko was hiding this from the public, it just further proves my theory that GF's trying to be more "out-of-left-field" and throw around surprises when it comes to typing. "Looks can be deceiving" is the proper saying for this Gen, I reckon.
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