I didn't say Scarf Cresselia is a good counter. I'd prefer to use Cresselia normally, but the guy was enquiring about it so I'm answering his question.
How is Lvl1 Cleffa stupid?? There is usually only one Ghost on a team, and using Tyranitar to remove them isn't very hard. Yes, you can think of 1000 different situation where you can apply this logic, which is why the logic being applied to Salamence is stupid. I'm basically applying the same logic you are applying to Salamence to Lvl 1 Cleffa. Cleffa can OHKO everything in the game apart from Ghosts and a select few Pokemon, including your "broken" Salamence (Which is better than 2HKOing stuff using Mence, I assure you). Also, as long as Ghosts are removed (Again, not very hard at all), Cleffa doesn't even need prediction to score kills, as she can just spam Endeavor and watch something die, whilst for Salamence, if you Draco Meteor onto a Steel or something like that, you've just wasted Mence. Sure, Cleffa isn't functioning afterwards, but
neither is Salamence. If you think he can keep functioning in most situations, you haven't played anywhere near enough. As I've said in my post, you're losing 41% after one attack. You're not switching in easily after that.
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Uh, nope. Any Mence that isn't at 0% is still quite dangerous and capable of causing immense damage to your opponent's team. And where are we getting this "Sandstorm and SR are up all the time" argument from? Last I checked, Tyranitar wasn't on every single team, there's no guarantee it'll even be out before Salamence is for Sandstorm to activate, and Stealth Rock is perfectly capable of being Taunted so that your slow, bulky lead (or anything besides Aero) is being forced into attacking.
Shrang, I know how you're anti-ban on damn near everything and would hate to see anything get banned unless they've swept your team from turn 1 without setup, but seriously, ScarfCress sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard. It has fucking 70 base sp. att and 85 base speed with no good STAB. What is that going to do besides kill Mence? Get Pursuit raped by TTar and Scizor? Don't get me started on the Cleffa argument.
Let's put it this way: if you're not facing DD, y
Sandstorm and SR are up a lot of the time, otherwise we wouldn't mind using Moltres in OU because SR isn't up most of the time. Yes, I know ScarfCress is a bad idea, but again, I didn't come up with it, I was just answering someone's query about it. I can't see what is so bad about the Cleffa argument either, seeing I'm using exactly the same logic as everyone is using with Mence (May be an indication of how bad other's logic more than a good example from me).
"Salamence getting one free kill per game" is just a tagline for pro-Uber supporters who can't be bothered to put some substance into their posts; in reality, Salamence is the most dangerous threat in OU and puts you at a massive disadvantage right when he switches in.
And why should we listen to those who can't be bothered putting any substance into their posts?? While I do agree Mence is probably the most dangerous threat in OU, it does not justify why he should be banned. There will always be a "Most dangerous threat". It doesn't always put you at a "massive disadvantage" either, and the times where it doesn't it puts the Mence user at a disadvantage him/herself (I mean come on, you just wasted a Pokemon, of course you're at a disadvantage).
Also, I'm not anti-ban on everything (Although I am anti-ban on a lot of things). I did vote Froslass to be BL and Garchomp to be Uber, and if something like Deoxys-D came into OU, you'd be sure I'd be voting it Uber. I'm anti-ban on things that aren't actually broken (Although I don't really care if Mence gets banned, I just don't see any benefit in doing so). Don't try to fix what is not broken, you just might make it worse.
Okay, now that you have finished you post, I have to say that's probably a better effort than some of the others, now time to answer your latest stuff:
Salamence being forced out doesn't mean he's dead, yes. However, being forced out means he isn't going to be very effective any more. Yes, he can fire off a Draco Meteor at 5% and severely damage a Pokemon and die (Provided that you dodged the first one, or if you did hurt something, the opponent is probably death-foddering that previous Pokemon, so you haven't done anything TOO significant). Yes, something
might be able to come in and clean up later, but the point is, you're down a Pokemon. You might not have actually killed anything with Mence, and if you have, it's pretty much a 1-1 trade, so you're not up anything. As mentioned before, Mence cannot control what he kills (If he DOES make a kill), so for all you know, the opponent might be sacrifcing his 1% lead Aerodactyl that he was saving for later just to death fodder while you lose 16% health and are at -2 Special Attack. Sounds like a good trade to me. On the other hand, stuff like Tyranitar can actually control what it kills to a certain extent. Salamence is extremely difficult to counter, I know this, but should we really jump onto every non-Counterable Pokemon and ban it?? Seems a bit over the top to me. Smart switching and smart playing are so much more important these days. A noob is not going to wield Salamence and rape with it, I assure you. Once again, I shall refer to the Smog article:
It's broken!
No it isn't. Try a few battles on the ladder and you will see that Colossoil is not broken. Guts + Status Orb dies very quickly, and Colossoil will not score kills unless it is played under the correct circumstances. This means that Colossoil does not get many chances to switch in, as it lacks certain resistances. Colossoil really has no concrete counter, but the term "counter" is thrown around so loosely nowadays, and people think that having no counters instantly puts it in the Uber position. However, when comparing it to a Pokémon like Gengar who also has no concrete "counter", it is apparent that having no concrete counters does not make a Pokemon broken. Colossoil, despite having Moonlight and bulk, does die fairly quickly. You need to get in all the kills you can, and maximize the potential of Colossoil's offensive prowess before it dies out. It shifts the metagame, so it's broken, you say? Tell that to Blissey, who effectively walls the majority of special sweepers in the game.
Again, I know CAP is completely different from Standard, but the principles still apply. Just like Colossoil, it is very good at killing things, but dies fairly quickly, so if you can't capitalise on Mence, you're not going to do well, and there is nothing to guarantee that you can capitalise on Mence enough so you are at such an advantage that Mence is the deciding factor. You don't have to run really over the top checks to Mence either, and most of the time Mence isn't going to fuck you over. As I've said before, I've been swept by CB Scizor more than I have by DDMence, and while I accept I might be losing a Pokemon to Mence a considerable amount of times, I have 5 others that can easily win the game.
Phew. A lot of typing. SJCrew, next time you don't finish writing something, state it in your post and I'll wait for you =D.
