Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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gravity and trick room need extendance items.
Hmmm, the pigeon has the ability pigeon heart which prevents defense lowering. I will obviously pick this over intimidate. Watch out, screech users!!!




O wait.
 
I really don't think that floral pink piggy is a Drowzee preevo. Drowzee has a totally different color scheme, and looks radically different even if he is also pig-like. This is because Munma is based on a pig. Drowzee is based on a tapir. It's name isn't really fitting at all. Munma > Sleep > Sleeper? If it were a preevo you would expect it to also be based on a tapir, and for it to have a name that is some variation of the word sleep.

I thought both of them are based on Baku?
 
My brother looked at the ability for encourage (he's taking Japanese) and he said it says that it "adds power instead of additional effections," which sounds to me like whoever said it boosts the power of multi-hit moves but only hits once.

That, to me, sounds more like taking a move that has an additional effect, say, lowering defense or something (let's say... Rock Smash), and increasing its power. Which... is still a cool idea but a lot less powerful than making stat decrease into increases.

That also doesn't really make sense with a name like "Encourage", but then again your definition is probably more likely, since it doesn't seem as gamebreaking as mine.
 
gravity and trick room need extendance items.
Hmmm, the pigeon has the ability pigeon heart which prevents defense lowering. I will obviously pick this over intimidate. Watch out, screech users!!!




O wait.

I don't know why everyone assumes it is JUST defense.

And the little piggy looks nothing like Drowzee, like someone previously mentioned the latter is more like a Tapir.

EDIT: Seapig is a great guess, that's exactly what it is, how did I not think of it?!:

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Can't wait till they give other Pokemon Pigeon Heart, I'm sure that ability could go aesthetically with a lot of pokemon. . . . oh wait.
 
I don't know why everyone assumes it is JUST defense.

And the little piggy looks nothing like Drowzee, like someone previously mentioned the latter is more like a Tapir.

EDIT: Seapig is a great guess, that's exactly what it is, how did I not think of it?!:

Errr... while it does look like that thing, Munma is most definitely the same thing Drowsee is-- a Baku, a dream eating spirit that is generally shown as a tapir. Why they had two Pokemon based on the exact same spirit in folklore with the exact same typing is beyond me, though. The design is pretty... interesting compared to Drowzee, though.
 
Wasn't it confirmed that it only worked with the Defense stat?

Nope, nothing's been confirmed. It's just been shown battling Mijumaru who attempted to lower its defense.

Pokebeach has new rumors up. Tauros evolution = Minotauros. So badass. :)

EDIT: Poison Field + Muk + Gunk Shot. :D
 
I thought both of them are based on Baku?

Their dream eating abilities are based on that. Their general appearance (especially the snout) comes from a tapir though.


Errr... while it does look like that thing, Munma most definitely the same thing Drowsee is-- a Baku, a dream eating spirit that is generally shown as a tapir. Why they had two Pokemon based on the exact same spirit in folklore with the exact same typing is beyond me, though. The design is pretty... interesting compared to Drowzee, though.

Munma is based on a Baku, but looks nothing like a tapir.

It's name would also be really strange if it were in the same evolutionary line as Drowzee. Munma > Sleep > Sleeper. You would expect them to at least use some variation of the word sleep.

Munma might be closely related to Drowzee, but it hopefully won't be in the same evolutionary line.

Although they could do what they did with Kirlia, and make Munma an available evolution for female Drowzee.


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Minotauros!!? AWESOME!!!! One of my favorite Pokemon getting an evolution and a potential chance to shine in OU? Do want.
 
@blasphemy1
WOW That almost proofs it! We'll just have to wait and see guys. No point in arguing over what isn't revealed yet!
 
If a secondary effect is invoked, negate the effect and increase this Pokemon's power? No idea...
Hey, this makes some sense - so basically, we'd get a Steadfast that works not only for flinches, but for Confusion, Def/Sp.Def drops, flinches, and so on. It's still unknown what they mean by power, though - it could be anything that has to do with Atk or Sp.Atk, Spe or maybe even all stats. Oh god, free AncientPower boosts?!
...It's not as awesome as HI GYARADOS WHY DON'T YOU COME HERE, but it's still pretty nice.

As for Stealth Rock - it sure would be nice to have a move that switches around the field placements, or something like that. Uh, in more understandable words... suppose there are 3 layers of Spikes, 2 of Toxic Spikes and 1 of Stealth Rock on my side of the field (and don't ask me what I was doing while my opponent set everything up) and nothing on theirs. Something uses new move and now they have all the spiky family while I'm free. Yay.

Still, just plain nerfing Stealth Rock would be a lot better. The best way I've come up with would be having it deal a set amount of damage instead of a set percentage of damage - 40, for example - that would still consider typing. So basically, a Charizard would take 160 damage when it's switched in, while a Lucario would take 10 damage.
 
Hey, this makes some sense - so basically, we'd get a Steadfast that works not only for flinches, but for Confusion, Def/Sp.Def drops, flinches, and so on. It's still unknown what they mean by power, though - it could be anything that has to do with Atk or Sp.Atk, Spe or maybe even all stats. Oh god, free AncientPower boosts?!
...It's not as awesome as HI GYARADOS WHY DON'T YOU COME HERE, but it's still pretty nice.

Based on the new definitions people seem to be gathering, it's probably nothing like that... as nice as it would be being able to gain attack from an Intimidate or boost your Special Attack 2 stages after an Overheat. It now sounds more like, if you use an attack that has a secondary effect and it doesn't activate, the attack is made more powerful, or if the attack has a secondary effect, it's made more powerful but the effect is ignored.
 
well, there ARE chances the pig thing is the subevo of drwzee, although its just speculations.

EDIT:the seapig looks gross.

Yeah, well I think they are awesome. :3

Also from Pokebeach (rumors):

- Black and white, good versus evil, and yin and yang are going to play a major part in the plot. However, unlike previous Pokemon games, the decisions and choices you make will "influence" the plot of the game. If you make "good" choices, you might get certain help or items, whereas "bad" choices could have negative effects. The point is that the plot will not be as cut-and-dry as previous games, changing depending on the player's actions.
 
Munma might be closely related to Drowzee, but it hopefully won't be in the same evolutionary line.

They PROBABLY won't be related by evolution. If Corocoro didn't mention it now, and there's no reason for them to hide that, then I doubt that's the case. But who knows (I personally do think Munma looks sorta tapir-like, but in a sorta abstract way).
 
well, there ARE chances the pig thing is the subevo of drwzee, although its just speculations.

EDIT:the seapig looks gross.

I thought that for a moment, but the absent of its main ability Insomnia is strange. Tts not unlikely that it doesn't gain the ability to it evolves, or they changed it. What I believe though is that the pokemon is its "spirtual cousin." this concept is most seen in 3rd gen pokemon, similar to Aggron being a successor to Rhydon. If it wasn't for the flowers, and the fact that it floats above the ground I'd believe it.
 
Pokebeach has some new rumours...

This afternoon we were contacted by a man named Martijn Müller, the webmaster of an old and famous Zelda website. He claimed to have insider information on Black and White, and after spending a few hours verifying he was who he claimed to be, we decided to indulge and see what he had to say. Granted, we often get a lot of people claiming to know insider information on Pokemon games, with some going to extreme lengths to fool us. However, he has revealed insider information to gaming communities before, which leads us to believe he is telling the truth. He also personally showed me some developer material from Black and White, which further cemented to me that he was telling the truth. Nevertheless, this information could be one highly elaborate scheme (it wouldn't be the first time), so for now, please just take all of it with a grain of salt - it's not confirmed and could be fake. As a fan site it is our duty to post rumors when we have gone to reasonable lengths to verify the sources, which is why we decided to post this. Remember, grain of salt!

* There will be 157 new Pokemon, bringing the total amount to 650.
* Like how Giratina compliments Dialga and Palkia, a large, green snake will accompany Reshiram and Zekrom.
* Tauros will have an evolution: Minotauros. It stands on two legs.
* In previous games, either through moves or through abilities, players were able to alter the weather conditions of the battle field to boost certain types. For example, Groudon's Drought summons sunlight, which boosts Fire-type moves by 50%. In Black and White, players will be able to collect certain items that alter the weather conditions of the battle field. Approximately twenty of these items will affect the weather conditions so that they will boost certain types (kind of like Stadium cards in the TCG?), with some types getting added bonuses depending on the item. As a side note, in today's CoroCoro scans, there was a screenshot showing a new weather indicator (we overlooked it), which could give credence to this claim.
* One example will be setting up a Poison Field, which causes all Poison-type attacks to gain 30% accuracy, Sludge Bomb to have a 100% poison rate, and the effects of Toxic Spikes' poison to have an immediate effect.
* Black and white, good versus evil, and yin and yang are going to play a major part in the plot. However, unlike previous Pokemon games, the decisions and choices you make will "influence" the plot of the game. If you make "good" choices, you might get certain help or items, whereas "bad" choices could have negative effects. The point is that the plot will not be as cut-and-dry as previous games, changing depending on the player's actions.
* Tsutaaja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru had rough designs over this past year or so, but in the last few months received major overhauls, becoming the final designs we see today.


Remember bitches, grain. of. salt.
 
- Black and white, good versus evil, and yin and yang are going to play a major part in the plot. However, unlike previous Pokemon games, the decisions and choices you make will "influence" the plot of the game. If you make "good" choices, you might get certain help or items, whereas "bad" choices could have negative effects. The point is that the plot will not be as cut-and-dry as previous games, changing depending on the player's actions.

Eww. Sounds like they will shoehorn in a morality system.

I really hope they do it well. Morality systems generally seem to be "Would you like to save these children, or kill them all?" I hate when they only give you black and white (no pun intended) choices.

Though the choices likely will be very black and white. They don't want kids to accidentally make bad choices and suffer negative consequences. They aren't going to give them morally ambiguous "grey" options.

It would be fun if they finally allowed you to join the evil team. I'm tempted to take the evil route provided it doesn't screw me out of a ton of things (like: Being evil is wrong! We aren't going to let you catch the legendary in this game, and the E4 won't let you challenge them! Love - Gamefreak.)
 
The Pokemon games have been getting more and more linear over the entire series, being able to do things in very little order (even though there's an intended order, it's not mandatory) once you get like 3 badges in, and the games have been getting more and more linear since, eventually forcing you do go in a specific order in Gen VI. With a morality system in place, Gen V might reduce the linearity of the games, giving us a longer and more interesting gaming experience, especially for playing twice through the games.
 
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