Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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I honestly think I am the only person in the world who likes the Water-type starter the best.

I can't blame GameFreak, though. All of the Grass starters suck in-game (I like Venusaur in UU), so they may want to mix it up and make an awesomesauce Grass starter. But how can you not love the penguin-otter-bird-thing? It's so awesome. =P
 
I can't blame GameFreak, though. All of the Grass starters suck in-game (I like Venusaur in UU), so they may want to mix it up and make an awesomesauce Grass starter. But how can you not love the penguin-otter-bird-thing? It's so awesome. =P
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Its a Sea Otter.
 
Bogmire said:
I'd lol if the dragon psuedo legend got tinted lens.
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Bug/Dragon? goferit, that's what Flygon should have been anyway

Also, Venusaur, rocks in-game... if only because of good bulk, good special attack, Swords Dance to mediate the attack, and SLEEP POWDER.

Or just Sleep Powder, really. I'm almost a little upset Tsutarja probably won't get it. And Grasswhistle blows. :(

Don't understand how anyone could genuinely like Mijumaru. Not considering how MOEEE it's becoming because of how much the vast majority hate it. But that's my opinion, anyway.
 
I always classed the 600 "pseudo-legend" as the ones given a 4x weakness, maybe Nintendo felt this would balance them out.

Dragonite,Tyranitar,Mence,Garchomp
 
Kurai said:
I honestly think I am the only person in the world who likes the Water-type starter the best.

I can't blame GameFreak, though. All of the Grass starters suck in-game (I like Venusaur in UU), so they may want to mix it up and make an awesomesauce Grass starter. But how can you not love the penguin-otter-bird-thing? It's so awesome. =P
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Torterra is pretty good in game, granted Infernape outclasses it as a starter. Sceptile was not bad, although the other two were better. I'm starting to like the otter more, as of now I like them all equally (based on their in-game sprites).
 
Assuming FRLG, as that's what I am most familiar with, you can always get a Gastly or anything else to use Sleep Powder. Charmander was the best starter in Gen I, because there weren't many other viable Fire-types, there are a lot of other Water-types (although that is true in most gens), and the Grass-type starter just sucked. That has pretty much been the general consensus for all four generations, or at least in-game.

GameFreak I guess wants to change that, and decides to give the Grass-starter the coolest sprite, the best dex description, and just hype it up so damn much. But I still love Mijumaru. <3

Torterra is pretty good in game, granted Infernape outclasses it as a starter. Sceptile was not bad, although the other two were better. I'm starting to like the otter more, as of now I like them all equally (based on their in-game sprites).

Apologies for saying they suck; I meant that they are comparitively worse than the others. But most of the Grass starters, with the exception of maybe Sceptile, didn't do so well in-game. I've played all the generations with every starter (except Gen IV with Turtwig), and I've noticed that the Grass-starter gives you the most challenge because you are struggling to find both good team partners and an actual use for your starter.

Venusaur was novelty for Sleep Powder; Meganium just sucked; Sceptile was okay as an attacker because of the lack of the physical/special split, but still had trouble late-game, and; Torterra had that nasty 4x Ice weakness and wasn't really as much of an attacker as the other two.

Competitively speaking, Grass only came out on top in Gen I, where imo Fire, Water and Fire came out on top of the other gens, respectively.
 
Kurai said:
Assuming FRLG, as that's what I am most familiar with, you can always get a Gastly or anything else to use Sleep Powder. Charmander was the best starter in Gen I, because there weren't many other viable Fire-types, there are a lot of other Water-types (although that is true in most gens), and the Grass-type starter just sucked. That has pretty much been the general consensus for all four generations, or at least in-game.
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Maybe I'm just considering solo capabilities, but having a a Sleep-inducing attack built into the starter was basically easy mode, besides considering the fact Bulbasaur cruises through the first three gyms. I don't think Charmander should be considered "the best starter" by simple virtue of being a Fire-type, which have been severely lacking in every single generation anyway. You can easily find replacements to cover what the Fire-type does, and as you said there are tons of Water-types to cover the Water-starter. It sucks not having that holy trinity of Grass/Fire/Water, but it's not totally necessary at all. At the very least, I think saying all the Grass starters "suck" is incorrect all around, maybe "outclassed by other starters" would be better. The only awful one was Meganium, who only got lolPoison Powder and not ANY OF THE OTHER POWDERS. Anyway, there's no point in arguing this anymore, really, since there tends not to be a "best starter" (with the only exception I can think of being Gen IV with Infernape destroying both starters, who were both good in their own right...). Also, off topic, etc.
 
Kurai said:
Charmander was the best starter in Gen I, because there weren't many other viable Fire-types, there are a lot of other Water-types (although that is true in most gens), and the Grass-type starter just sucked. That has pretty much been the general consensus for all four generations, or at least in-game.
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Ummm, no. Charmander was the worst starter 1st gen because Brock completely resisted you, and Misty's Starmie raped it. Everytime I used Charmander I HAD to catch a Nidoran and level it up till it learned Double Kick because there was no other way to get passed Brock. Bulbasaur was the best because it could coast past both of them.
 
Maybe I'm just considering solo capabilities, but having a a Sleep-inducing attack built into the starter was basically easy mode, besides considering the fact Bulbasaur cruises through the first three gyms. I don't think Charmander should be considered "the best starter" by simple virtue of being a Fire-type, which have been severely lacking in every single generation anyway. At the very least, I think saying all the Grass starters "suck" is incorrect all around, maybe "outclassed by other starters" would be better. The only awful one was Meganium, who only got lolPoison Powder and not ANY OF THE OTHER POWDERS. Anyway, there's no point in arguing this anymore, really, since there tends not to be a "best starter" (with the only except I can think of being Gen IV with Infernape destroying both starters...). Also, off topic, etc.

I edited my post, realizing that you cannot say any given starter "sucks" (except Chikorita, but I won't get into that). And while Bulbasaur was good early-game, it's typing and lack of many offensive moves got the better of it late-game. Status is great to use, but it's more helpful in competitive play as opposed to in-game play.

Likewise, @ -FUCK-, just because a starter is bad early-game doesn't mean it overall sucks. Charizard was the most offensive of the three final evolutions, and in an in-game enviornment where you just want to OHKO shit, Charizard takes the cake. I understand the merits in competitive play, where Blastoise is a Rapid Spinner and Venusaur is a general annoyer and attacker, but in-game Charmander was the easiest to run through the game. Likewise, Typhlosion was the most offensive, Blaziken was the most offensive, and Infernape was the most offensive. Thus, they completely outclassed the other starters of the gen, regardless how well or bad the fire starters do in the early game enviornment.
 
Grass starters are bad because Grass is a shitty typing. Period.

I have high hopes for the water starter evolving to an awesome offensive water/normal type.
 
In Gen I we saw that Dragonite was #149, followed only by Metwo and Mew. Dratini, Dragonair, and Dragonite all come after the Three Legendary Birds.

In Gen II we saw that Tyranitar was # 248, followed only by Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Celebi. Larvitar, Pupitar, and Tyranitar also come after the Thee Legendary Gerbils.

Gen III was different though. We have Bagon, Metang and their respective evolutions occupy six consecutive slots in the Pokedex. They come before the base 600 legandaries unlike the previous two generations. This could be attributed to Gen III introducing 10 legendaries or it could be attributed to the introduction of two base 600 Pokemon to the Pokedex.

In Gen IV, we have the introduction of 14 legendary Pokemon. Unlike the last three generations, there are a ton of Pokemon between these Pokemon and the base 600 Pokemon. We have pre-evolutions, second and third stage evolutions, as well as Pokemon with their own evolution chains.

There is no pattern! So I say the Pseudo-Legends tend to be base 600 stat Pokemon that are offensive in nature with big movepools.

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I always hated Charizard.
 
And no one has ever confirmed that there is only one psuedolegend per generation. Salamence and Metagross have equal BST (correct me if wrong), extremely good movesets and stats, and have a three-stage evolution line.

I have high hopes for the water starter evolving to an awesome offensive water/normal type.

I actually wanted a Water/Ice starter, since we've only had Ground and Steel sub-types before, and those aren't really amazing STABs. If Mijumaru is going to be offensive, I'd like Ice as a sub-type, since it provides a decent secondary STAB and has a way to hit Dragons, Grass, et cetera. Although, Water/Normal gets amazing neutral coverage, so it could work with some random SpA boosting move. Not like you use boosting moves in-game.

And for some odd reason, I thought the Grass-starter would have a Psychic sub-type. I then realized that it made no senes. D:
 
Actually, based on its Pokedex, part Psychic-typing would make sense... but I really, really, reallyreallyreallyreally hope that's not the case.

EDIT: Not using boosting moves in-game... I... you... what? I'd say boosting moves are even more amazing in-game, since you tend to be so much stronger then the opponent's Pokemon that you can stay in and boost for as long as you want using whatever moves you want... Gyarados with Dragon Dance could sweep the E4 by itself in DPt.
 
Oh god, it'd be a non-legend Celebi. Maybe if GameFreak lowers the BP for U-turn, it wouldn't be as bad. But yeah, that's not the best typing in the world.
 
McLuvdisc said:
@DDRMaster - There was an arrow on your map pointing to Hiun City, with a label reading "Zorua/Zoroark". I take it you didn't put that there and just drew the bold black line indicating the route. Just a simple misunderstanding.
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Oh, I put that there because that's where you go to do the events. I didn't mean that you actually capture them there.

My opinions on what the best starters are:

RBY: Bulbasaur: Gets you past the first two gyms (aka the hardest ones that aren't Sabrina) and does well against the third.
GSC: Cyndaquil: Tododile doesn't get the great physical moves it gets in HGSS by level up and you can teach Tyflosion ThunderPunch.
RSE: Mudkip: Gets you past Roxanne, Watson, and Flanery easily which are usually the gym leaders I have the most trouble with.
FRLG: Squirtle?: Bulbasaur is still great against the first two gyms (and Misty is still just as tough) but when I got to the Pokemon League in LG, Venasaur was useless against Lorelei and Articuno worked just as well against Bruno's Onix.
DPPt: Chimchar: Against most of the Gym Leaders and Elite Four, Chimchar and Turtwig become about even, but Lucian's Bronzong is difficult to take down without a Fire type and the only other one in DP is Rapidash. In Platinum, you can get something like a Houndoom or Magmorter which makes them more even.
HGSS: Cyndaquil: Tododile is closer, due to its good level up movepool and the fact that you can't get ThunderPunch easily, but I'm still going with Cyndaquil.

Of course that's not to say the other starters are bad (except Charmander in RBY) and choosing a different starter can sometimes be more fun.

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Oh god, it'd be a non-legend Celebi. Maybe if GameFreak lowers the BP for U-turn, it wouldn't be as bad. But yeah, that's not the best typing in the world.
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Grass/Psychic is just about the worst typing in the game due to it's Pursuit weakness and myriad of other weaknesses. Celebi is only OU because of its good stats and gigantic movepool. The only thing that can help Tsutaja if it evolves into a Grass/Psychic type is Spore.
 
Lumin said:
Okay, maybe I'm completely off the track, but could somebody get me the link of the starters dex entries?

In English, btw.
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I think the only starter dex entry we've seen is Tsutarja's. But maybe I just haven't seen them.

Also, Totodile is way better than Cyndaquil in HGSS, with the physical/special split helping Totodile and hindering Cyndaquil. Still, dat lack of Fire-types... And again, Charmander is way better than the only bad starter, Chikorita. I said I wouldn't argue this anymore... T_T
 
except Charmander in RBY

Meh, difference in opinions. I honestly thought Charizard was the best final evo in Gen I, but oh well. It really depends on your play style, since I almost always use hyper-offense in-game, because "wall Pokemon" aren't as viable since you have items and whatnot.

I'd like to shift to a different topic.

Gen I: Pallet Town, Indigo Plateau, Cerulean, Saffron, Fuschia, et cetera... basically, all colors.

Gen II: New Bark Town, Blackthorn, Azalea, Cherrygrove, Violet, et cetera... basically, plants and trees, with some colors (Mahogany, et cetera).

Gen III: Sootopolis, Littleroot, Lavaridge, I can't think of any more, et cetera... basically, nature and whatnot.

Gen IV: Sunyshore, Veilstone, Snowpoint, Floaroma, Sandgem, Twinleaf, et cetera... for the most part, nature.

So, what do you think the locations in Gen V will be named after?
 
Gen IV didn't really have a naming scheme. Gen 3 was taking the town's theme with a stereotypical town/city prefix or suffix (which I really like, but obviously they can't repeat that since there's only a limited amount of those and Gen 3 probably used all of them and then some).

I don't think we can accurately guess what the names might be right now... Hiun City meant something to do with the sky, so the best I could think is that sky theme will probably carry over to the localizations.
 
Kurai said:
And no one has ever confirmed that there is only one psuedolegend per generation. Salamence and Metagross have equal BST (correct me if wrong), extremely good movesets and stats, and have a three-stage evolution line.

I have high hopes for the water starter evolving to an awesome offensive water/normal type.

I actually wanted a Water/Ice starter, since we've only had Ground and Steel sub-types before, and those aren't really amazing STABs. If Mijumaru is going to be offensive, I'd like Ice as a sub-type, since it provides a decent secondary STAB and has a way to hit Dragons, Grass, et cetera. Although, Water/Normal gets amazing neutral coverage, so it could work with some random SpA boosting move. Not like you use boosting moves in-game.

And for some odd reason, I thought the Grass-starter would have a Psychic sub-type. I then realized that it made no senes. D:
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When it comes to STAB moves, neutral coverage > select super effective hits (look at Dragon).

Water/Normal is the better typing both offensively and defensively (no SR weakness, which in and of itself is a big incentive), both in game and competitively. We simply have yet to get a compatent water/normal type (or compatent offensive water types in general).

Also remember Return is one of the best attacks in the game in terms of Accuracy/Power. Water/Normal also has both Aqua Jet and Quick Attack if you have high enough ATK scores (or Technician . . .). If you have Guts, Facade is ridiculous . . . given a good second dual STAB in Water, Normal could be very fearsome indeed.
 
I obviously forgot physical Water-type moves existed. Water/Normal would be an interesting type to say the least, and a lot better competitively than Water/Ice, but I still think that in-game, you are just mashing whatever move gets a super-effective hit, or deals enough damage to finish off your opponent. You don't need to have amazing neutral coverage because you have other Pokemon that you can switch out at will, and you also have items as a crutch.

Just remember that all starters have Overgrow/Torrent/Blaze, meaning Mijumaru (and thus his evolutions) sadly won't get to abuse Technician nor Guts.
 
Which really sucks. Tsutarja's typing would be a little more flexible in terms of what's "good" if it could have an ability besides Overgrow, but alas that's the life starters are doomed to live. Albeit, Empoleon really benefited from Torrent.

Also, in-game, neutral coverage is more than enough to take out your opponent's underpowered Pokemon...

It's funny because the only starter I have not a vague semblance of what it might become is Mijumaru (I'm sure EVERYONE is pretty sure Tsutarja will become a Quetzalcoatl based on his little wing thingies and Pokabu will become a boar). I guess "big ass otter" is probably the best guess. As cool as Water/Normal would be (and the only competition would be derpbarel), I actually kinda sorta hope they pull some other typing out of thin air like with Empoleon.
 
I'd like to see a powerful special normal move, for once. We have Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Judgement, Razor Wind, Snore, Sonicboom, Spit Up, Swift, Tri Attack, Trump Card, Uproar, Weather Ball, and Wring Out. The only competitively useful ones are Hyper Voice and Tri Attack. Judgement is reserved for Arceus (or Ubers), and occasionally Swift is useful for Technician users. Hyper Beam would be good if the mechanics were returned to Gen I, and obviously Hidden Power will never be normal and Weather Ball is only 50 BP outside of weather. I'd love for a move like Fire Blast, but normal type. Imagine Porygon-Z, or Mijumaru here if it evolved into a Water/Normal special-based sweeper.
 
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