Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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I think a hybridisation system would be fascinating, and very good excuse for some of the kookier type combos. Fire/Ice or Fire/Water. Make hybrids rare, only available to closely linked "species", requiring hold items to access. A hybrid of the Growlith line with the Snubbull one for Fire/Normal, the new fire starter with Swinub for Fire/Ice. Just a smattering of them. Just tentatively introducing a new system. That would be quite nice.
 
Meh hybrids and fusions? I still can't help but to think Yu-Gi-Oh everytime I hear that.

I have a question. When were the evolutions of the starters revealed for D/P? I'm ready to start deciding which starter I'm gonna get when this comes out. I'm still hoping for a polar bear...
 
I thought about Okami today, and a legendary based on the Yamata no Orochi (picture) would be totally awesome. Dark/Dragon with sky-high stats in everything except for speed. And maybe an 8 hit move, but that would have to be super weak, like 15 base power, and that would still be better than outrage.
 
Actually, with 15 Power it would be as strong as outrage, wouldn't get you locked in, and could attack through subs.

Count me in.
 
G.I.R. said:
I thought about Okami today, and a legendary based on the Yamata no Orochi (picture) would be totally awesome. Dark/Dragon with sky-high stats in everything except for speed. And maybe an 8 hit move, but that would have to be super weak, like 15 base power, and that would still be better than outrage.
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With my knowledge of Orochi, which is purely from watching my sister play Okami (and one Digimon episode, there's an Orochimon, no joke) I imagine it'd have a pretty wide movepool (which for people who don't know can be explained as the general trend for dragons to learn a lot of stuff).

And a detrimental "Drunk" ability, like if it's confused it'll always hit itself or something. Not that Nintendo would allow that kind of thing in a Pokemon game, or indeed any of their big franchises. I only know of two games on Nintendo consoles to mention drunkenness: Conker and the Wii port of Okami.

Also, sky-high everything except Speed? Say hello to a staple in Trick Room teams.
 
samster712 said:
Am I the only one who thinks a double battle elite four person would be awesome?!! Cept it would prob be called elite 5
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I suppose they could just have one of them challenge you to a double battle instead of single battle because that was their "thing". The other 3 (or 4 with the champion) would have some sort of other battle style.

You didn't actually have to capture all of the Unown to get a Hippopotas, it just had a higher chance of appearing the more you caught. I suppose they could add some of these as Unown (. , ~ @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) - + = < > [ ] { }) or numbers but I really don't think we need any more. Unown isn't going to be competetively viable no matter how many forms it gets.
 
New stuff on illusion from serebii

"The latest issue of Nintendo Dream has provided new insights into the special Illusion ability that Zoroark & Zorua both have. This ability, as we knew previously, allows for Zorua/Zoroark to be transformed into another Pokémon when sent into battle, as seen with the special event when you capture Zoroark. However, prior to now, the details of the ability were not known. We now know the details of this ability. The ability allows for Zorua & Zoroark to be in the form of the Pokémon in second place in your party at the time of it being sent out. This means that if you have say Jigglypuff in the front of your party, Zorua & Zoroark would appear in battle as a Jigglypuff."

WE GET TO CHOOSE :DDDDDDD
http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml
 
Well, Serebii has confirmed the workings of Zoroark's Illusion ability. As I suspected, Zoroark will take the form of another Pokémon in your party. Even better, it always takes the form of the Pokémon in the second slot of your party.

This is about as good as this ability could have possibly been. My next question is what happens in double battles. Does it take the form of the third Pokémon in your party, or does it just always look like its partner? I'm hoping for option 1.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch. Also, it's been confirmed previously that Illusion only alters the Pokémon's appearance, not its moves, stats, ability, item, etc. Also, from what we've gathered, the opponent is not alerted to the transformation.
 
species clause wouldn't come up here since Zoroark doesn't copy the pokemon in everything but HP like transfrom does. We know that it keeps its types for example.

Oh and on gamefaqs serebii gave us some ststs.

"At Level 25, one example of its stats with a neutral nature are;
HP: 67
Att: 59
Def: 36
Sp.Att: 69
Sp.Def: 40
Speed: 59

Bit too low for us to try and calculate though.

Zorua's at Level 10 with a Mild Nature (The Red/Blue bits remain) are;
HP: 30
Att: 18
Def: 12
Sp.Att: 24
Sp. Def: 15
Speed: 18"

Edit: Fixed serebii's mistake. I put down the stats from the image found
 
I mean it'll be tricky to know what you're actually fighting until it's too late.

Then again, if you expose Zoroark, you know of of your opponent's Pokemon.... eh
 
Well, if those Zoroark stats are accurate, then even if it has 0 IVs and 0 EVs, its base stat total ends up being around 540. Looks like it's not a legendary Pokémon.

For those that don't want to do the calcs, I believe its maximum base stats are:

HP: 65
Attack: 109
Defense: 63
SpAtk: 129
SpDef: 71
Speed: 109

Again, these are the very highest the stats could be. They could each be significantly lower.

EDIT: So, let's assume it's analogous to Lucario. If that's the case, an educated guess at its stats might be:

HP: 65
Attack: 105
Defense: 60
SpAtk: 125
SpDef: 65
Speed: 105

That brings it to 525, the same as Lucario.
 
Well you beat me to the 0 IV/EV calcs so I'll just post the max IV/min EV calcs to get a good range.

HP: 49
Atk: 93
Def: 47
SpAtk: 113
SpDef: 55
Spe: 93
BST: 450

So the stats are probably between these numbers and the ones TheMaskedNitpicker posted.

@ Illusion: While you might think it would be best to copy something threatening like Salamence, I think it would actually be better to copy something that has many of the same moves Zoroark has. For example, if you run a Swords Dance set that includes Crunch, you could fool your opponent into thinking that it's actually Lucario and kill their Rotom-A with Crunch and possibly keep the illusion in tact. Also, you probably shouldn't copy something like Salamence or Gengar because then you'll probably just get Bullet Punched by Scizor and faint before you can actually get an attack off.

Edit: @ TheMaskedNitpicker: That second set looks good. It's going to be extremely frail regardless but you could just copy something that wouldn't get hit with priority and kill whatever switches in.
 
I'm enjoying all this talk about the new Illusion ability, but I think the larger map scan has me more interested:

june23rpgscans05.jpg

You can see a lot more things and details. More speculation time?

Edit: There are a lot of ruins, haha. It sort of flies in the face of any "industrialization!' theories we've had.

North of the mountains in the West (also above 6) appears to be the 5th equivalent of the Elite Four?

For 9, I'm trying to figure out what the structure that makes the button of the Pokeball shape is. It looks like a tornado. ?_?

WAOH the top left facility in the amusement park (3) looks like the Battle Factory in fourth gen, haha.

Between 11 and 12 is a lonely little house on a little island. I wonder what that is for. :P
 
Emperor said:
Oh and on gamefaqs serebii gave us some ststs.

"At Level 25, one example of its stats with a neutral nature are;
HP: 67
Att: 59
Def: 36
Sp.Att: 69
Sp.Def: 40
Speed: 59

Bit too low for us to try and calculate though.

Zorua's at Level 10 with a Mild Nature (The Red/Blue bits remain) are;
HP: 30
Att: 18
Def: 19
Sp.Att: 24
Sp. Def: 15
Speed: 15"
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just curious, but were these stats taken from screenshots, or just relaying the information? I don't see images of these stats on serebii, so I'm wondering where the information is coming from.

if the red and blue bits for natures stays, I'm a very happy man.
 
If you become Salamence, or anything else that always has Intimidate, the jig is up immediately. I'd copy something that has weaknesses where the Illusion Pokémon has strengths. Bullet Punch aside, Gengar's not a bad choice. If you're lucky, you'll be hit by a Ghost, Dark, or Psychic attack.

Bear in mind here that I'm mostly thinking about double battles, where that one free turn can be huge. Even if the opponent figures it out after you take little to no damage from its attack, you may have just used that opportunity to turn the tide of battle.

Although, honestly, I'm more excited about the prospect of Ninetales getting Illusion and looking like a Grass-type, giving it the opportunity to use any number of support moves like Safeguard, Imprison, Nasty Plot, etc.
 
You wouldn't want to copy something like Mence or Gyarados because your opponent will know exactly what's going on once they see the lack of Intimidate.
And is it confirmed when the Illusion disappears? Does it leave at a set amount of damage or just at any damage?
If it's the latter then the ability would be pretty useless unless you carry a rapid spinner.

EDIT: Ninja'd by TheMaskedNitPicker
 
T-major said:
just curious, but were these stats taken from screenshots, or just relaying the information? I don't see images of these stats on serebii, so I'm wondering where the information is coming from.

if the red and blue bits for natures stays, I'm a very happy man.
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I believe Serebii got them from pictures. I shall look for them.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/989552-pokemon-black-version/55318952
There's the link for gamefaqs though and yes that really is serebii >.>
 
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