come to think of it,theres bound to be another weak ass fish with a great evo,i mean they do it very 2 gnerations,first there was magikarp,then nothing then feebas then nothing....... now it's time for another
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you're right.
that fan art evo on the previous page is simply bad ass, if you ask me. based on design alone, it would probably be my favourite starter (definitely my favourite water starter, at least). too bad it probably won't end up like that :C
They look like bows, lol.
@PKMN Trainer Manson, that's possible too. I don't really see it evolving into anything else.
Water/Fighting is pretty decent defensively (Good offensively at least :p). Of notable Pokemon Water/Fighting walls: Tyranitar. Resists Dark, Rock, and neutral from Ground right?
I was thinking of a flying-type version of Rapid Spin, that would deal no damage but would be Roar + Rapid Spin in 1 attack. Maybe 'Tornado' or something to that effect. Maybe give it a different name so it can be available on more than just Flying-types.
I think SR should also be reduced in power. 25% on Pokemon who are weak to rock is A LOT. So many Pokemon got the shaft because they take 25~50% just from switching into battle.
They look like bows (99.9% sure it's based off a gothic lolita). I don't see where people say she is made of different 'parts'? Her dress just looks tiered. I have such a strong feeling it's a female Meditite only evo lol.
Bwahaha, nice one T-major. Most people just foget about Poliwrath... doesn't get enough love.
Yeah, as much as I'd love to see the water starter turn out like that, I'm not getting my hopes too high.
Immediately after I typed that, I tried to think of any interesting potential evos for the fire pig since it's my favorite starter (first-form wise), or the grass-snake, but I can't think of anything that would be half as exciting as that Otter Warrior.
no, not at all
water/flying, water/psychic and i dont know wtf else resist fighting/water.
heck even water/normal is resisted by something, there is no combo of 2 types that hit all type combinations for neutral(haters gonna say fighting/ghost and i say normal/ghost).
the Mijumaru fan art posed on the previous page.
seen here.
guess I should have worded that post better. my bad :P
Are there even any Pokemon that are Water/Psychic?
Ice/Electric ;)
Awww, I still remember Poliwrath (and Politoed... He's cool) they're both awesome! I just don't want the potential of 'Wotter' to be wasted on Water/Ice. We have enough of those (Sorry, Dewgong and pals).
Man, has NO one played Poliwrath in UU? Slowbro is impossible to get by... and he'd wall the Otter to kingdom come just as easily. I don't see Gyarados in OU being any easier, and it has Intimidate to boot...
Still, it's a very solid Defensive typing, lends itself well to frequent switch-ins too with its Rock resistance. If the otter got a bit of bulk when it evolves it may have potential as a new twist on bulky-water tanking.
Agreeing with this entire post. Water/Fighting resists Water (which is damn good given all the bulky waters running around), Ice, Fire, Rock, Dark, and Steel. I'd say that's actually a pretty good list, and of course it has good offensive coverage.
As far as Tornado...they could just upgrade Whirlwind. I actually think keeping it limited to flying types is best to prevent it from getting too broken - otherwise you get to phaze, rack up SR damage, and spin away their hazards all in one move. And on that note, SR should be reduced to half damage (meaning those with 4x weaknesses only lose 25%, etc).
Magnezone lol.
And Shroomisaur, if the final otter evo does end up being Water/Fighting, and has decent SpA, I think HP Electric/Thunderpunch could fit in quite nicely.
Oops, lol
water/fighting is a good defensive combo, but its still weak to psychic(never used), eletric(used a lot) and grass(used more or less).
despite that i still consider a good defensive typing.
edit:cut SR damage by half and we will see mence riping shit apart. while its true that SR just killed most of the metagame it make sure pokemons like salamence dont completely rip teams apart.
edit 2:ice/eletric is resisted by lanturn, magnezone/magneton and they mothers.
despite that i still consider a good defensive typing.
edit:cut SR damage by half and we will see mence riping shit apart. while its true that SR just killed most of the metagame it make sure pokemons like salamence dont completely rip teams apart.
edit 2:ice/eletric is resisted by lanturn, magnezone/magneton and they mothers.
I said it a while back but I'll say it again. I honestly have no idea why people think gothlolimon is based on Gothic Lolita style. It honestly looks nothing like it besides having a color scheme of black and and the layered look of the dress. The dress isn't in style, there's no hat, none of those really goofy looking boots, nothing. If it's supposed to be Gothic Lolita style, it's an awful abstract interpretation of it (then again, making a Pokemon based off of it is a pretty abstract idea, albeit a good one, anyway, but still).
It's that it's kinda overdone and not a very great typing in general. In fact, even Gamefreak knows it- Empoleon was made Water/Steel instead of Water/Ice because Water/Steel is just better.
Water/Ice would have fit better for Piplup's evolutions for more reasons than its flavor. Water/Ice would have perfectly completed the reverse circle of starter weaknesses that the 4th gen starters attempted to have. Not only would Torterra's Grass STAB be SE on Empoleon, but Empoleon would get a STAB SE hit on Torterra to compliment Torterra's on Infernape and Infernape's on Empoleon. All this while Infernape keeping its STAB SE on Empoleon because Fighting is SE on both Steel and Ice.
All that perfection with Empoleon's hypothetical Water/Ice typing, and yet they decided against it for the vastly superior Steel subtype. Something tells me Gamefreak will avoid Water/Ice for the starter from now on because they know it's not so great. Water/Fighting is a more likely typing for them to bestow on a Water starter.
Yeah I looked it up, Water/Fighting is pretty solid defensively and offensively. It also resists Bug. Sounds like Scizor's and Tyranitar's worst nightmare hahah. If it gets a nice bulky stat distribution and can function as a physical attacker... Sounds great! (Shell Blade, the move 'Wotter' used, sounds physical to me).
Yeah having a bunch of Pokemon with it would get bothersome, and it would kinda defunct a lot of Spinners. An upgrade of Whirlwind sounds like a good idea, I completely forgot about that attack.
And yeah -1/2 of it's damage would be beneficial pokemon. At least for Fire types that means 12.5% only, and for 4x weak Pokemon 1/4 is much better than a clear 1/2 of their HP.
If Salamence does get out of control, just like Garachomp, he could be ushered into Uber. I haven't been keeping lately with OU testing but isn't Salamence being tested for Uber anyway?
I knew I missed something haha.
water/fighting is only decent at best offensively, ALL flying/dragon pokemons resist, gyara resist, mantyke(who the fuck use that?) resist, slowbro resist, starmie resist, latias used to resist but she is uber so whatever.
to put it short its decent AT BEST offensively, but good defensively.
to put it short its decent AT BEST offensively, but good defensively.
Dragon Fire with moldbreaker
In that fan art, i think the 2nd stage and 3rd stage took too big a step. They should make the 2nd stage look a bit more like the third one. Although i guess one could argue that blaziken and infernape are in the same boat.
... there isn't a Normal/Ghost, lol. Normal/Fighting on any Scrappy Pokemon will always be unresisted, unless the type chart changes.
Magnezone resists it naturally, while Lanturn and Shedinja resist it because of their abilities.
Water/Fighting is just amazing, both offensively and defensively. Offensively, it's only resisted by (by Pokemon that already exist) Dragon/Flying, Grass/Poison, Grass/Psychic, Water/Psychic, Grass/Flying, Water/Poison, Grass/Bug, Water/Flying, and Water/Bug. While that seems like a lot, an Ice move (which all waters get at least one of) takes it down to only Water/Psychic, Water/Poison, and Water/Bug. Pretty impressive, IMO.
I really want Mijumaru (evo) to be a mixed attacker, in contrast to Poliwrath's all around mediocre stats.
EDIT: I think this would be the best style of spread for a Mijumaru evo to have to compete in OU. 77 HP / 107 Atk / 72 Def / 103 SpA / 70 SpD / 101 Spe. Enough attack to OHKO Blissey with STAB Close Combat. Trollish speed for the likes of Salamence, Flygon, Jirachi, etc, hitting them with Ice Beam or Hydro Pump first. Slightly higher defense than special defense to take Bullet Punches, Ice Shards, etc. Close Combat / Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Grass Knot?
Don't forget the whole slew of Grass/Poisons who also resist. But despite this, Water/Fighting are still two very effective STABs, and just looking casually at your list here I see that carrying Stone Edge = problems solved. And you KNOW that it's going to gain Ice Beam if Dragons or Grasses get in your way.
You seem to assume that it will have access to nothing but Water and Fighting attacks. Ice Punch/Ice Beam is all over water types, and fighting types are often seen with Rock moves, so it isn't a stretch of the imagination to see it with a Rock or Ice move for coverage.
fighting/ghost with scrappy.
the point is that with no offensive abilitys like mold breaker helping a pokemon there is no 2 types combo that hit any type combo for at least neutral damage.
edit:just because you HAVE acess to a move dont mean you CAN to use him. a pokemon can get all the moves in the game for all i care, but if its using something like rest+sleep talk then it will have to pick a combo of 2 types.
edit2: there is no normal/ghost but the fact is fighting/ghost cant even touch normal ghost. with no abilitys helping the atacking pokemon there will always have something that resist 2 different types. doesnt matter how good the coverage might be.
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