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Ambipom (OU Lead)

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The King of Harts said:
1. Aerodactyl and Metagross are really the only two. I'll give you that one anyways since they're pretty common (even though Rotom-A fixes the Metagross Problem).
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Azelf speed ties, so 50% chance there. Forretress is getting its rocks/spikes either way, Skarm is coming in and spiking, etc. Heatran gets rocks down for free as well. The only suicide lead this concretely stops is Infernape, and beating one lead does not count as "stopping rocks" in the long term.

The King of Harts said:
2. I'm saying this from experience: They do not switch. Nobody in OU is threatened by an Ambipom, especially Machamp. The only thing I can say is try it for yourself and you'll see.
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Don't say your set works because people are bad. People that let this happen are playing Machamp wrong anyway for the most part, and the fact that this Ambipom can score a surprise kill with its gimmick move does not make it a superstar. Same with people that leave Swampert in on this. The fact that they're ignorant of Ambipom potentially packing Seed Bomb does not make Ambipom good.

The King of Harts said:
3. Dead weight? He is far from it after he takes out leads. Fake Out can easily pick off any non-Steel/Rock type (deals 38-45% on Salamence alone). He's also incredibly fast and can come in to take out Infernape who are in the middle of a sweep. Dead weight is a Swampert after a Seed Bomb or Gengar after an Aerial Ace. Just because he's not packing Double Hit or Return doesn't automatically mean he can't do anything.
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As I said before, I'm not about to praise a set that allows my opponents to waltz in with Heatran, Jirachi, Skarmory, Forretress, Rotom-A, Scizor, Gyarados, Lucario, etc. and get free turns on me. Too many liabilities midgame for me to even consider putting this on my team, lead or otherwise.

To those that say that you can just throw on Tyranitar and Magnezone, that doesn't even consider the fact that 1: I'm building 1/2 of my team around compensating for my lead's mediocre type coverage and 2: I'm still dealing with other key Pokemon being huge, huge pricks to me at any given time.
 
If you're going to slash Low Kick in there you'll lose to other leads, so you're just choosing who you're willing to lose against. Also, I'm pretty sure Tyranitar OHKOes you back when you factor sand and Life Orb. Skarmory/Foretress still win as well, and outright losing to them isn't what you can call a good trait in this metagame.

Also, regarding the "people never switch", if a set is to be written about that people will smarten up and learn how to beat it. Also, you seem to have nailed it, people never switch and that's why it works; so once people get to know what it can do they won't fall for the same mistake and will just go for the many things that wall it. That's related to the definition of gimmick IIRC.
 
I really don't see the point of using Aerial Ace and Ice Punch. You do realise that a neutral STAB Return does more than a super effective Aerial Ace, right?? Ice Punch, well the only reason to use it is because of Dragonite I guess. If you want to use Ambipom in OU, a set like this might seem more useful:

Ambipom @ Focus Sash/Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
-Fake Out
-Return
-Pursuit/Payback/Low Kick (Choose whether Steels or Ghosts piss you off more)
-U-Turn/Seed Bomb
 
hi shrang. technician. 90 x 2 = 180. 102 x 1.5 = 153.

Edit: I'm laddering with it right now so I will be posting logs of all of my matches in order without skipping.
 
Towelie said:
It beats a shitload of common leads, and it's fast so it usually doesn't take damage. When it can't beat the lead (see heatran and metagross) you switch out and use it late game.
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Most late game sweepers attack more than once.

The King of Harts said:
2. I'm saying this from experience: They do not switch. Nobody in OU is threatened by an Ambipom, especially Machamp. The only thing I can say is try it for yourself and you'll see.
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"People suck at playing" does not a viable set make. Just because you played on the ladder versus people not making the smartest choices doesn't mean the set becomes effective. Under that logic, my latest Baton Pass team is competitively viable and I should write up an analysis for all of the Pokemon I used.

3. Dead weight? He is far from it after he takes out leads. Fake Out can easily pick off any non-Steel/Rock type
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So it can revenge kill attack once, and then becomes set up fodder. Not exactly "far from dead weight" to me.
 
Chris is me said:
Most late game sweepers attack more than once.
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What are you trying to say here? Ambipom's Speed and Technician boosted Aerial Ace makes him a great late-game sweeper as well, only Steel types are a problem for it.

"People suck at playing" does not a viable set make. Just because you played on the ladder versus people not making the smartest choices doesn't mean the set becomes effective. Under that logic, my latest Baton Pass team is competitively viable and I should write up an analysis for all of the Pokemon I used.
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You do the smogcast right? You suggested Sceptile there because of his great Speed stat and sweeping capacties. When I used Sceptile on the OU ladder people where calling me a noob for using it. Because it's UU doesn't mean in can't be used in OU. You have tested the Sceptile set, so you know it works. This Ambipom is used as a lead but (like Sceptile) it is very underrated and I suggest you to test it, you'll find out that it actually does pretty good and his Speed comes in handy far more then you might think now.

So it can revenge kill attack once, and then becomes set up fodder. Not exactly "far from dead weight" to me.
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Again, not true. Yes, after Intimidate Gyarados and Salamence can get a Dragon Dance up but they can on so many things. The most logical thing to do in my oppinion is to switch Ambipom out and go to you appropriate counter. The lack of a decent STAB move doesn't mean Ambipom is dead weight after Fake Out, far from it.

EDIT: yesterday I created a new alt -Adamant- and the team already peaked at a CRE of ~1425. Ambipom was useful in almost all the battles.
 
unless some crazy logs are posted of this thing actually working I am going to reject this, so many anti-leads are trying to be made this is kind of a nightmare tbh
 
remlabmez said:
unless some crazy logs are posted of this thing actually working I am going to reject this, so many anti-leads are trying to be made this is kind of a nightmare tbh
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I am aware of that, but unlike "those others", things thing does actually work.
1. It prevents SR from being set up for 75% of the leads.
2. This set wins against pretty much every other anti-lead.

Edit: Me and others are gathering logs, since that is important for most of you. But 'till then the only thing I can suggest is testing it yourself.
 
So this set obviously beats most leads in the metagame, and prevents a few from setting up SR completely. That's not really the concern though, IMO. Again, this is the catch-22 about posting sets that bank on surprise -- the set is only good until it's known, and then it becomes significantly less effective. If I saw an Ambipom lead now, I would just switch straight to my Rotom-A, Heatran, Scizor, etc. and just set up my SR later. At that point, you're basically wasting a slot on your team, because the best Ambipom can do outside of the lead slot is bust out a Fake Out later on. With its nonexistent defenses, you can't switch it into anything, and can only revenge kill other Pokemon, but it's not like switching to a Steel-type every time is hard either.

Anyways, long story short, I'm not doubting this set's effectiveness, I'm doubting this set's effectiveness should it become well known. If Pokemon were just a game of lead versus lead, then this set would be the cream of the crop. However, when you factor in the ability to switch, and that each player has 6 slots on their team, this set loses its shine. I'll still wait for some logs, but this will likely be a no from me, sorry.
 
Ah Philip I was afraid of that at first to. But Ambipom has such a wide movepool it cannot be predicted right every single time. For example, I have been testing Ambipom for the past days now and I notice that people indeed go to Heatran to wall Ambipom. For this reason I am using Low Kick instead of Ice Punch and Fake Out + Low Kick will take out Heatran. You can use Payback to hurt Rotom-a versions or Thunderpunch for Gyarados. What I'm trying to say is that this set might become well known, it still is unpredictable since there are so many (effective) options Ambipom could run.
 
This lead does help take on certain leads and cause them to switch but I'd really have to agree with the above posters in the fact that Pokemon like Ambipom will instantly attract Pokemon including Rotom-A, Heatran, Scizor, or basically any Steel-Type in general really because of the fact that you lack typical coverage on this set. The combination of Flying, Normal, Ice and Grass is COMPLETELY walled by Steel, Rock and other dual types. As Phillip has mentioned, many people see Ambipom and go to their counters straight away, knowing that they can bring their lead out later in the game to set up Stealth Rocks. I'm also not liking the fact that it has to face a speed tie against Azelf and invites the ever so common Heatran to freely switch in, as well as failing against monstrous leads such as Metagross and LeadTran. Sorry but this is a no from me, but it's a really great that you came up with this idea, which would be effective if not used commonly. It's also good that Ambipom has a nice variety so you can adjust your set in thought of what leads are more common at the time.
 
Delko said:
Ah Philip I was afraid of that at first to. But Ambipom has such a wide movepool it cannot be predicted right every single time. For example, I have been testing Ambipom for the past days now and I notice that people indeed go to Heatran to wall Ambipom. For this reason I am using Low Kick instead of Ice Punch and Fake Out + Low Kick will take out Heatran. You can use Payback to hurt Rotom-a versions or Thunderpunch for Gyarados. What I'm trying to say is that this set might become well known, it still is unpredictable since there are so many (effective) options Ambipom could run.
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Same about Infernape to be honest. Use Grass Knot and beat Swampert, Hidden Power Electric/Thunderpunch and beat Gyarados and so on. And let's admit that Infernape does the stellar movepool abuse better.
 
@AbsolDeath: Like I said before Ambipom has a huge movepool. So your opponent can't be a 100% sure he get's a safe switch-in.

Bluewind said:
Same about Infernape to be honest. Use Grass Knot and beat Swampert, Hidden Power Electric/Thunderpunch and beat Gyarados and so on. And let's admit that Infernape does the stellar movepool abuse better.
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Except Ambipom is faster and Infernape cannot run Stealth Rock in it's moveset if he want the coverage Ambipom has.
 
Delko said:
Except Ambipom is faster and Infernape cannot run Stealth Rock in it's moveset if he want the coverage Ambipom has.
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Well, if we're going to argue that fact, Ambipom doesn't get Stealth Rock up either. If it came down to it, I'd rather have an Anti-Lead Infernape (without Stealth Rock) as opposed to an Anti-Lead Ambipom.
 
The Shiny Pidgey said:
Well, if we're going to argue that fact, Ambipom doesn't get Stealth Rock up either. If it came down to it, I'd rather have an Anti-Lead Infernape (without Stealth Rock) as opposed to an Anti-Lead Ambipom.
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Not only that, Ambipom has a wider movepool, and although having 4 base Atk less then Infernape it has Technician to make up for this.
 
Infernape gets dual STAB with 120 base powers. Ambipom gets Aerial Ace... (re: a resisted STAB from Infernape does as much as a neutral attack boosted by Technician from Ambipom). Also, pokémon A will never beat pokémon B in every single aspect; Butterfree makes a much more reliable sleeper than Darkrai but there are other aspects that set them apart, making Butterfree NU and Darkrai Uber.
 
Bluewind said:
Infernape gets dual STAB with 120 base powers. Ambipom gets Aerial Ace... (re: a resisted STAB from Infernape does as much as a neutral attack boosted by Technician from Ambipom). Also, pokémon A will never beat pokémon B in every single aspect; Butterfree makes a much more reliable sleeper than Darkrai but there are other aspects that set them apart, making Butterfree NU and Darkrai Uber.
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Fire Blast is a very unreliable move, accuracy speaking. And Close Combat has a nasty side effect. And both have low PP. And again, Infernape is outsped by so many things who aren't by Ambipom such as Gengar (Aerial Ace might KO after SR damage) forcing Infernape to die or switch.

I got some logs or parts of them since they can be long. Comments will be in blue.

Log 1:

Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle

general aetius sent out Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ♂).
D-test sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ♂).
Ambipom used Fake Out.
Machamp lost 39% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Machamp flinched!

general aetius switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ♂).
Ambipom used Aerial Ace.
It's not very effective... Heatran lost 15% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.

Ambipom used Low Kick.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 61% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Heatran used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.

general aetius switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Ambipom used Low Kick.
Metagross lost 25% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.

D-test switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ♂).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
Metagross's attack missed!

general aetius switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ♂).
Heatran used Earth Power.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 81% of its health.
general aetius's Heatran fainted.

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In these turns he has a dead Heatran, a damaged Metagross, a weakened Machamp and rocks up (only because his Heatran has a bulky EV's spread (252 HP) otherwise Low Kick would have taken it out). While I haven't taken any damage outside the 30% recoil damage.

Log 2:

Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle

Azatlan sent out Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ♂).
D-test sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ♂).
Azatlan switched in Rotom-c (lvl 100 Rotom-c).
Ambipom used Fake Out.
It doesn't affect Rotom-c...

D-test switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ♂).
Rotom-c used Will-o-wisp.
Heatran's Flash Fire raised its fire power!

Azatlan switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ♂).
Heatran used Substitute.
Heatran lost 25% of its health.
Heatran made a substitute!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.

Heatran used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Gyarados lost 100% of its health.

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Ambipom does lure out Rotom-a, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT!

More logs comming soon. Is there anything specific you guys wanted to see?
 
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
-MDUzamaki sent out Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
toypaj sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Dragonite lost 100% of its health.
-MDUzamaki's Dragonite fainted.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Rotom-h (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
toypaj switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Rotom-h used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 46% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Heatran's attack!
Heatran used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
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Salamence used Draco Meteor.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 39% of its health.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Heatran used Explosion.
Salamence lost 85% of its health.
toypaj's Heatran fainted.
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toypaj switched in Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 5% of its health.
-MDUzamaki's Salamence fainted.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Rotom-h (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom-h.
Rotom-h lost 12% of its health.
toypaj switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Rotom-h used Thunderbolt.
Tyranitar lost 27% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Rotom-h is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Rotom-h lost 6% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
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toypaj switched in Aerodactyl (lvl 100 Aerodactyl ?).
Aerodactyl is exerting its pressure!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Aerodactyl lost 100% of its health.
toypaj's Aerodactyl fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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toypaj switched in Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
Ambipom used Fake Out.
Swampert lost 35% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Swampert flinched!
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
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Ambipom used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Swampert lost 59% of its health.
-MDUzamaki's Swampert fainted.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Rotom-h (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom-h.
Rotom-h lost 12% of its health.
Rotom-h used Trick.
Rotom-h obtained Life Orb!
Ambipom obtained Choice Scarf!
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
Rotom-h lost 29% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
Rotom-h is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Rotom-h lost 6% of its health.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
Pointed stones dug into Jirachi.
Jirachi lost 6% of its health.
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
It's not very effective...
Jirachi lost 9% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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toypaj switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Jirachi's attack!
Jirachi used Calm Mind.
Jirachi's special attack was raised.
Jirachi's special defence was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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Salamence used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Jirachi lost 57% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Jirachi used Psychic.
Salamence lost 64% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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Salamence used Fire Blast.
Salamence's attack missed!
Jirachi used Psychic.
Salamence lost 14% of its health.
toypaj's Salamence fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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toypaj: :/
toypaj switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
-MDUzamaki: u won 2 speed ties dude
toypaj: ok?
toypaj: lol
Jirachi used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 32% of its health.
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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toypaj: wait
toypaj: how?
toypaj: no i didnt
toypaj: lol
-MDUzamaki: im 328
toypaj: ohh ok i thought you meant earlier
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
Jirachi used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 32% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
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Tyranitar used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Jirachi lost 65% of its health.
-MDUzamaki's Jirachi fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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-MDUzamaki switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
Tyranitar used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Metagross lost 94% of its health.
-MDUzamaki's Metagross fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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-MDUzamaki: gg man
toypaj: mhm
-MDUzamaki: u intreste din joining a clan?
toypaj: nope
-MDUzamaki: you got some skillz
-MDUzamaki: why not
toypaj: i dont do that stuff
toypaj: sorry
-MDUzamaki has left the room.
toypaj wins!

I killed his lead DNite, killed his mence with my sexy speed and then took out his pert and he tried to recruit me lol.

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
toypaj sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
MiloticOver9000 sent out Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Ambipom's attack!
MiloticOver9000 switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Ambipom used Fake Out.
It doesn't affect Gengar...
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toypaj switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Gengar's attack!
Gengar used Substitute.
Gengar lost 25% of its health.
Gengar made a substitute!
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Salamence used Fire Blast.
The substitute took damage for Gengar!
Gengar's substitute faded!
Gengar used Shadow Ball.
Salamence lost 59% of its health.
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Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Gengar lost 75% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Gengar fainted.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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MiloticOver9000 switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Salamence used Brick Break.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 47% of its health.
The Chople Berry weakened Brick Break's power!
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Tyranitar used Rock Polish.
Tyranitar's speed was sharply raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
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Salamence used Brick Break.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 53% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Tyranitar fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 5% of its health.
toypaj's Salamence fainted.
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toypaj switched in Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
MiloticOver9000 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Ambipom's attack!
MiloticOver9000 switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
Skarmory lost 11% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
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toypaj switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Skarmory used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
The sandstorm rages.
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Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 89% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Skarmory fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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MiloticOver9000 switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
toypaj switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran was hurt by Spikes!
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Infernape used Grass Knot.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 9% of its health.
Infernape lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
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Infernape used Close Combat.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 79% of its health.
toypaj's Heatran fainted.
Infernape's defence was lowered.
Infernape's special defence was lowered.
Infernape lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
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toypaj switched in Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ?).
Ambipom was hurt by Spikes!
Ambipom lost 12% of its health.
Ambipom used Fake Out.
Infernape lost 68% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Infernape fainted.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ambipom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ambipom lost 6% of its health.
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MiloticOver9000 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Ambipom's attack!
Ambipom used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 93% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Salamence used Dragon Claw.
Ambipom lost 46% of its health.
toypaj's Ambipom fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
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toypaj switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Magnezone was hurt by Spikes!
Magnezone lost 12% of its health.
MiloticOver9000 switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
Blissey lost 20% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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toypaj switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Tyranitar was hurt by Spikes!
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
Tyranitar is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Tyranitar's Lum Berry cured its Paralysis!
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Tyranitar lost 29% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Tyranitar used Stone Edge.
Blissey lost 64% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Tyranitar lost 29% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Tyranitar used Crunch.
Blissey lost 17% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Blissey fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
MiloticOver9000 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Tyranitar's attack!
Tyranitar used Crunch.
Salamence lost 1% of its health.
MiloticOver9000's Salamence fainted.
toypaj wins!
MiloticOver9000 has left the room.

Killed Nape and Mence; lured out Skarm and took it out with Maggy.
 
Okay, I would like to see 8-10 more logs like the ones you just presented, Delko -- try them to be against different leads and situations, if possible please. On the first log, you can see how your opponent got his rocks up (yeah, because Heatran was running a lot of HP EVs, but he got SR down) and Ambipom switched out at 60% due to the Life Orb recoil, which means that once you switch in again your lead will be at 48% of health. In the long term, this means that now Ambipom has less opportunities to switch in and do something, it'll be more vulnerable to Lucario's EE and other priority moves (although said priority moves don't need Ambipom to be at 40% in order to achieve the KO...), and you will never be sure that you'll at least get a Fake Out off again. Pokemon such as Rotom-A and Gengar are commonly seen nowadays. They can come in and set-up a Substitute, use Will-O-Wisp, etc, with relative ease. Furthermore, there is still the fact that the opponent can resort to his Steel-type Pokemon and render your entire moveset useless.

Delko, I do like all the effort you're putting into this thread, but I still fail to see some decisive utility behind this lead. I'll wait for those convincing logs, for the time being, before saying anything else.
 
Note that in all 4 of those logs, Ambipom's only usefulness came from the fact that the opponents were godawful. See: Gengar not outspeeding LOMence in the 4th match, plus lack of shed shell on Skarm, plus ROCK POLISH CHOPLE TAR (which still failed to outspeed Mence, I get the feeling he wasn't packing EVs on any of his Pokemon); leaving Pert in on it in the third match when he still had a healthy Rotom-H, letting you DD 3 times on Jirachi; and cherry-picked chunks of logs which only show Ambipom being mediocre at the beginning of a match. Plus, you're using Low Kick over something, which hurts your ability to be useful against other leads (and you haven't even bothered to slash onto the set- seems odd).

Those logs haven't proven anything other than that bad players react badly to a mediocre set.
 
those weren't cherry picked, those were two matches i just played :/ I'm posting logs as I go along so I'm sorry that the players I play aren't good enough lol.
 
Because you asked so nicely Setsuna. I shall try to post one from against every lead. ^^

Log 3:
Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle

-TroY- sent out Roserade (lvl 100 Roserade ♀).
D-test sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ♂).
Ambipom used Fake Out.
Roserade lost 78% of its health.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.
Roserade flinched!

Ambipom used Aerial Ace.
It's super effective!
Roserade lost 148% of its health.
-TroY-'s Roserade fainted.
Ambipom lost 10% of its health.

-TroY-: wow
D-test: what?
-TroY-: Ambipom = win
D-test: lol, yeah ^^

-TroY- switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
D-test switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ♂).
Jirachi used Iron Head.
It's not very effective...
Forretress lost 12% of its health.

-TroY- switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ♀).
Forretress used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
...

I know that if my opponent had known Ambipom was faster he had switched his Roserade out. Nonetheless Ambipom took out his lead, lured Jirachi into using Iron Head so Forretress could come in for free and lay down SR. So I'm ahead 6-5, and I have entry hazards up (unlike my opponent).

@ Towelie, lol, I know, the opponents I've faced aren't that good either >.>

EDIT: @ SDS, I actually slashed in Low Kick earlier. It's over Ice Punch.
 
I've been using double hit. fake out + double hit kos machamp on average. it also kos roserade and double hit breaks the sash. a combination of fake out + double hit + double hit usually 3hkos pert and its extremely beneficial to have reliable stab. ive been using fake out, double hit, payback, and low kick.
 
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