Anything else?
I mean Celebi does get Leaf Storm...
Is the standard Shaymin supporter, sweeper, what? [I swear I've barely seen any Shaymins]
Seriously this is Bullshit.
Heracross goes down to UU whereas shitty Pokes like Ninjask, Electivire, Dusknoir, Umbreon are staying in OU. I, myself have used Heracross to great succes in OU even when one of his checks (Salamence) was still in OU. But I have never had any success with Vire or Umbreon in OU - they just suck in every possible aspect.
Thats just... dumb?
I think its time to implement a system which favors weighted stats for Tiering decisions.
Gengar can't do either and it's been consistently top OU for all of D/P. Scizor's Pursuit isn't all that scary when it's slower than the universe and allows room for setup and recovery.
Scizor has made a notable impact on the metagame, but centralizing is a strong term to describe what it does. I don't have to think about countering it before I build my team and I don't have any trouble doing so afterward. It may have forced certain Pokemon to adjust to its presence, like the aforementioned Gengar, but not in any significant way that hinders their functionality.
Naw, I just don't want them in OU. They would fuck shit up in NU. But nonetheless, the still don't deserve OU status.
Next week, after this coming weekend's tour.Disposable Puppets said:Does anyone know when Heracross is going to be allowed on the UU ladder?
Weavile is severely underated. The key is that you have to be on top of your mindgames and predict accordingly. You need to know when to pursuit or attack or low kick the incoming scizor/heatran. I personally think Weavile only becomes a liability if you slap a choice item on it. At that point its setup fodder. There are a few pokemon that give it genuine trouble, but it makes a decent alternate sweeper. On the team I was using I had both an infernape and weavile. Weavile was mostly there to pursuit starmie and gengar who gave ape trouble. But I often found that even after ape went down that weavile has pretty damn good type coverage to pick off the remaining stragglers.
It's not a sweeper and you're seriously misplaying Weavile if you use it as one. Just reading through your post proves you know absolutely nothing about Weavile or the OU metagame.Lol. It's true Weavile is viable, but only as a Dragonite check, which shouldn't be needed anyway. It isn't a useful sweeper because:
Not quite. The metagame may have been forced certain Pokemon to adapt to Scizor, but it still doesn't have enough clout to take high or any priority during the teambuilding phase. When I'm using Brozong, Scizor is the last thing I'm worried about, since Uturn isn't that strong and it just racks up SR damage on my opponent's team, which is good for me."Centralizing" is not about can be stopped, but the capacity to control what is or is not viable in the metagame. Scizor has strong influence on the viability of other pokemon.
I think the reason Shaymin isn't higher is because if people are using FWG cores more, then Heatran is the obvious fire type and he has amazing synergy with Celebi (who also has a better movepool than Shaymin), so people are using onion head instead.
Can't really go wrong with either of them though.
i think that heracross should be put in BL as it has good attack stat and decent speed and special defence stat.
It's not a sweeper and you're seriously misplaying Weavile if you use it as one. Just reading through your post proves you know absolutely nothing about Weavile or the OU metagame.
I think Vire should stay in OU, though I hardly use mine anymore. Personally I think Umbreon should of fallen, CC/U-turn/Taunt,Tricking so many things can ruin its purposes.
Weavile is severely underated. The key is that you have to be on top of your mindgames and predict accordingly. You need to know when to pursuit or attack or low kick the incoming scizor/heatran. I personally think Weavile only becomes a liability if you slap a choice item on it. At that point its setup fodder. There are a few pokemon that give it genuine trouble, but it makes a decent alternate sweeper. On the team I was using I had both an infernape and weavile. Weavile was mostly there to pursuit starmie and gengar who gave ape trouble. But I often found that even after ape went down that weavile has pretty damn good type coverage to pick off the remaining stragglers.
Not quite. The metagame may have been forced certain Pokemon to adapt to Scizor, but it still doesn't have enough clout to take high or any priority during the teambuilding phase. When I'm using Brozong, Scizor is the last thing I'm worried about, since Uturn isn't that strong and it just racks up SR damage on my opponent's team, which is good for me.
Bullet Punch and Uturn are resisted by way too many things to truly say Scizor is centralizing at all; almost anything that floats in OU can counter Scizor. True, Bullet Punch was the nail in the coffin to most Salac sets, but even Quick Attack or Lucario's Extremespeed were capable of making short work of them back in the day.
I don't understand where you're getting the idea that OU is focused on Scizor. It was #1 for being an excellent scout all-purpose sweeper check, not for powerhousing the metagame to where we had to run specific sets to beat it. Only our current Ubers were ever really capable of that.