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It would be interesting to see two Dragon type pseudo legendaries of the same species duke it out in the anime.

Either way, I think the idea of Mijumaru's evo to have a katana isn't too Farfetch'd; and could possibly be an intriguing element of the design. But I think a Samurai Otter would look awesome with or without it.
 
Squid Ninja said:
You mean the Gible that defeated Conway almost single-handedly? Noctowl defeated Lickilicky, but in the end, it and Donphan got rolled over by Shuckle and Dusknoir. Gible came and beat them (with two awesome Draco Meteors).
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However, this was was because of Gible being unevolved. Had Gible evolved into Gabite or Garchomp, it may have ended differently.
 
I know it was a few pages back, but when people were discussing Rankurusu's (sp?) level 50 stats, did they consider that the IV's may have changed in BW?
 
Squid Ninja said:
And that proves what? The guy was saying Gible was never used, but he netted an important league win for Ash.
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I was saying that Gible had a niche in this battle. He's not a powerhouse like Infernape or Pikachu, so he's not as strong in battle, which would be why he never uses him. Yes he did win him a league match, I'm not denying that, but Gible himself is not as useful as others under normal circumstances.
 
Percussionist said:
And as for Ash not using Infernape and such against Takuto, they were exhausted from fighting Paul. Ash had limitted options.
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I think when people said "Best Pokemon", they were referring to Charizard, Snorlax, Muk and maybe Kingler. Infernape is a beast, but I think it's understood that Charizard is his ace, and it is absurd that he didn't make an appearance. So yea, his options really weren't that limited when you consider he didn't use his best.
 
^RSEFRLG are compatible with DPPtHGSS, and yet the physical/special split still happened.

Which is an interesting point - if the rumor about the change in IVs proves to be true, all of our assumptions about base stats could be WAY off. All the more reason for the games to come out.
 
The King of Harts said:
I think when people said "Best Pokemon", they were referring to Charizard, Snorlax, Muk and maybe Kingler. Infernape is a beast, but I think it's understood that Charizard is his ace, and it is absurd that he didn't make an appearance. So yea, his options really weren't that limited when you consider he didn't use his best.
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Well, his team was Heracross, Swellow, Sceptile, Torkoal, Gible, and Pikachu. Heracross makes sense to beat Darkrai, and Sceptile and Pikachu are a couple of his best competiters. Yes, he could have used any of those others in place of any of them, (especially Torkoal and Gible), but perhaps he didn't use them as, (other than Charizard), I assume the others have had no recent battling practice. By my memory, Kingler and Muk were only used in one battle each, although Snorlax he probably could have used. And I really have no idea why he didn't use Charizard.
 
Charizard is in training, it's harder to use than just his stuff at Oak's place.

Sceptile is much cooler anyway.

Ash's Torkoal is a joke, but since it never got much screen time in the tournament beforehand (the writers tried to make as many Pokes get attention as possible) it had to be in that fight. And it just died in one hit because he's Torkoal and Torkoals are shit.
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
Speaking of Rankurusu's supposed stats, what proof do we have that this is true? What pokemon did it fight that we can calculate these values?
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They showed us the stat screen

TLK said:
Charizard is in training, it's harder to use than just his stuff at Oak's place.

Sceptile is much cooler anyway.

Ash's Torkoal is a joke, but since it never got much screen time in the tournament beforehand (the writers tried to make as many Pokes get attention as possible) it had to be in that fight. And it just died in one hit because he's Torkoal and Torkoals are shit.
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Torkoal had a pretty cool battle against Brandon's Registeel, iirc.
 
IcyMan28 said:
^RSEFRLG are compatible with DPPtHGSS, and yet the physical/special split still happened.

Which is an interesting point - if the rumor about the change in IVs proves to be true, all of our assumptions about base stats could be WAY off. All the more reason for the games to come out.
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bad example since IVs didn't change.
Better example: GSC RBY
Special stat was split, still compatible.
 
I guess my point about Rankurusu's stats was maybe we can calculate what it's base stats would be in DPPt and what not, but what if the game mechanics (ex. IVs) change in BW. Then a base 95 speed pokemon from DPPt may be the same as a base 80 or something in BW. Idk. Just a thought. Could be TOTALLY wrong :p
 
TLK said:
Charizard is in training, it's harder to use than just his stuff at Oak's place.

Sceptile is much cooler anyway.

Ash's Torkoal is a joke, but since it never got much screen time in the tournament beforehand (the writers tried to make as many Pokes get attention as possible) it had to be in that fight. And it just died in one hit because he's Torkoal and Torkoals are shit.
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Well, he did almost defeat Brandon's Registeel, remember? Man, I was rooting so much for him to win... He deserved it, that's for one. Shame that was his only great battling moment.
 
Sadly, Torkoal has always been awful, ever since way back when he was being bullied by steel types. Ash only caught it because of his fascination with Flannery's. Poor guy never got any attention.
 
The only bad Pokémon Ash brought in against Takuto were Gible and Torkoal. I would have had him use his other non-Infernape Fire-Type (Quilava) and maybe Snorlax instead of Gible. But Ash was able to take down two ubers with his team (if you count Pikachu's Volt Tackle suicude as a KO).

Also: Please, Corocoro, we need information! We're talking about how well Ash did in Sinnoh!
 
Percussionist said:
Sadly, Torkoal has always been awful, ever since way back when he was being bullied by steel types. Ash only caught it because of his fascination with Flannery's. Poor guy never got any attention.
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Torkoal WAS the fall guy in Hoenn. It's supposed to be funny when he loses, really.
 
CRASHiC said:
bad example since IVs didn't change.
Better example: GSC RBY
Special stat was split, still compatible.
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In either case, it was a game-changing mechanic.

Torkoal isn't weak...it actually nearly defeated Brandon's Registeel, which is significant improvement from Hoenn.

Fact is, someone had to be the fall guy in that last battle. It obviously wasn't going to be Heracross, and Gible was part of his Sinnoh-team/had Rock Smash and Draco Meteor. Torkoal's immediate fall set the stage for Sceptile to utterly destroy Darkrai with its double Leaf Blade.

Sceptile (and Swellow) in turn, were the fall guys for Pikachu to take out Latios. Both fainted after collision attacks, and then Pikachu tied in the end.
 
TLK said:
Charizard is in training, it's harder to use than just his stuff at Oak's place.
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He had no problem calling him for the Battle Frontier. He literally called up the chick and had her tell Charizard to go to him.

Percussionist said:
Well, his team was Heracross, Swellow, Sceptile, Torkoal, Gible, and Pikachu. Heracross makes sense to beat Darkrai, and Sceptile and Pikachu are a couple of his best competiters. Yes, he could have used any of those others in place of any of them, (especially Torkoal and Gible), but perhaps he didn't use them as, (other than Charizard), I assume the others have had no recent battling practice. By my memory, Kingler and Muk were only used in one battle each, although Snorlax he probably could have used. And I really have no idea why he didn't use Charizard.
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You're right about Muk and Kingler not having a ton of battle experience, but if memory serves right, Muk crushed a Bellsprout that had taken care of 2 of Ash's Pokemon and Kingler owned both a Seadra and Golbat in the first round and cracked a Cloysters shell; I'd say they're both pretty beast. Also, Darkrai is Poke that specializes in putting opponents to sleep, so while a sleep talking Heracross makes tons of competitive sense, using Snorlax probably made more anime sense. I think at the very least Snorlax would've held it's own against Latios, especially since it has Ice Punch.

I think it should've been something like: Pikachu, Charizard, Snorlax, Swellow, Sceptile, Heracross/Kingler (going by the assumption Infernape was too exhausted).
 
The King of Harts said:
He had no problem calling him for the Battle Frontier. He literally called up the chick and had her tell Charizard to go to him.


You're right about Muk and Kingler not having a ton of battle experience, but if memory serves right, Muk crushed a Bellsprout that had taken care of 2 of Ash's Pokemon and Kingler owned both a Seadra and Golbat in the first round and cracked a Cloysters shell; I'd say they're both pretty beast. Also, Darkrai is Poke that specializes in putting opponents to sleep, so while a sleep talking Heracross makes tons of competitive sense, using Snorlax probably made more anime sense. I think at the very least Snorlax would've held it's own against Latios.

I think it should've been something like: Pikachu, Charizard, Snorlax, Swellow, Sceptile, Heracross/Kingler (going by the assumption Infernape was too exhausted).
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That's true, but keep in mind Heracross's great type advantage, and I may be wrong, but I believe Sleep Talk was a new trick, so he was probably eager to try it out. Although I do agree that your proposed team would have served better. I also just noticed how Ash relinquished ownership of all of his Kanto Pokemon, minus Pikachu. Granted, he still has a few of them on call ( Squirtle, Charizard) and Bulbasaur, but he can't use him much without chaos breaking out in Oak's Lab. Butterfree and Pidgeot were released also. I find that kinda sad.
 
Even if they do change the way IVs work, they're not going to change the stats much. When they went from GSC to RSE, the new max stats with a nuetral nature became one higher than the max stats for GSC. This means that any esimates we make will be close and small changes to the stats themselves won't affect the calculations much and since they're just rough estimates anyway, it's not going be significant.

The Physical Special split and the Special stat split aren't really valid points for justifying changing the IVs because they don't change the way data is stored about the Pokemon. GSC just calculated SpDef using the Base SpDef for the Pokemon (which is stored in the game, not the Pokemon) and used the EVs and IVs from the Special stat. Changing the IVs would either force the game to generate new data when the Pokemon are migrated or make the game use the data in a completely different way, and I don't think either of those are likely.
 
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